downriver course design

[Wobbly Bob]

Shad, what I'm proposing is that the Board meet prior to the club meeting to work this out, this would be a closed meeting for Board members only.

We all want this project to proceed in a timely fashion. The fact is the Board has not reviewed any new course plans and until that happens I fear that there will be no progress made concerning this issue.

[roadhog]

SORRY Bob i miss read the "board meeting" part. i thought that you were talking about a general meeting.

[catalystdg]

i in no way hi-jacked the process i was following through with what the board decided ( the way i understood it along with two of the other four that were there at the time) if things need to change that is something that can be adressed at the meeting. i am however quite insulted by the accusations and dissapointed with the way the were publicly made.

[Gordy #21004]

This diagreement is an example of why we need more "process" in our process. People have different interpetations/expectations of the discussions. Discussions are not votes or motions. When does a meeting adjourn? Which discussions are on the record? What motions or votes are on the record? It is a tedious procedure, but our clarity will avoid these misunderstandings, and provide a format for the future.
Jaymie

[catalystdg]

I agree, i am trying to follow through with what i understood my job to be if what i am doing is wrong we can adress it at the meeting but i will proceed untill that point (especially when i have the support of the majority of those present when the original decision was made)

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

... a Board or (Bored, this is something Jub would write) .

Robert i don't like your tone. No sir, not one bit!

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

... a Spokane Disc Golf Association Board meeting sooner than Dec. 8 at 5pm to discuss this. I was under the impression that the Board/Bored had the final say, which as always gives us each one vote. Do we really want this going on, on the public forum: I make a motion that the Board meets Sunday at the Season Ticket at 6pm to iron this out.

As a member in good standing I second Bobs motion (as agreed upon by vote) that the "proposed" re-design of Downriver DGC plans should be presented beforehand to the setting board members for review.


This clearly is a good idea to have it a couple of days early to still have some room to work things out. If Sunday is to soon then the pre "Open meeting" is crucial for the process to really move forward.

Like the rest of DG, There are rules and procedures that need to be followed to ensure everyone gets their input.




side note Fortunately because of the weather in Spokane lately the actual work will be several weeks if not not months away.

[Wobbly Bob]

Robert i don't like your tone. No sir, not one bit!

Hey Jub, that ain't no different than pDGA now is it?

[LJ Jubner]

If you mean the lower case p, Yes it is very un-p


I gather from your post Bob The "pre" Open meeting on Tue will be a real barn burner. I wish I could be there. I would like my post added as an offical motion that has been seconded.

Hey What's the "proxy vote" procedure? I got one.

[catalystdg]

the meetings tonight (dec 8) at 6 pm at stadium pizza we among other things will be voting to aprove the new course layout

[catalystdg]

the new design was approved (pending final walkthrough with all design contributors) the final exact pin and teepad locations will be finalized at that time.Downriver DGC Map new 18 small.JPG

[catalystdg]

Downriver disc golf course redesign


1. Moving 18 baskets: 20 bags of concrete-2.50$ per bag plus equipment rental 25-50$(1 day + gas ) total cost and work time= 85-125$ two days ( 4-6 workers)

2. Moving, building and grading teepads: 10 yards 5/8 minus=150$, replacing damaged or worn out fly mats 1000$ equipment rental 50$. Total cost and work time=1200-1400$ 2 workers and two hours per teepad.

3. Installing and repairing teesigns: 10 bags of concrete, hardware 15$ total work time and cost= 40-50$ 1hour per sign off site 1 day 2-4 workers on site ( not included is measuring, mapping and printing out teesigns)

4. Installing 14 benches: 30 bags of concrete, other materials to be donated total cost and work time 75-100$ and 1 man hour on site per bench ( not including off site assembly of benches)

5. Completing tourney central and kiosk: repairing old table, installing benches, painting kiosk and building/installing plexiglass cover. 75-100$ 4-6 man hours ( not included is making signage for kiosk and donation box)

6. Other work to include: erosion control on all hillsides( that are in the areas of play) ;this will include stairs, planting and retaining walls, beautification of over used areas; this includes pathways and plantings, and protection of existing plantlife. Total cost and work time: 500-1000$ (incremental) and unending man hours

Total project estimate 2500$-3000$
note: all existing teepads, teesigns and benches will be reused if possible much of the materials ( lumber, plants, paint etc..will be donated by local players and companies)

[LJ Jubner]

Now If it were big enough to actually see the changes it would be handy. Is there a better way to look at this then from space? Did all 18 really need to be moved? What was the vote count? How many members actually showed? Chris this is good work but because you are retiring from the board is this A your swan song and B who will take over your great renaissance of DDGC

[catalystdg]

as soon as we have the final decisions made we will paint and flag tee/pin locations so anyone who wants to walk the course can do so.
the club voted this spring to start from scratch so the only holes that remained are old 5 and modified versions of 9 and 10 ( witch were included in several peoples designs). although i am not running for reelection i will help who ever is elected in my place to finish both the downriver and highbridge projects. and the actual vote count i do not no but everyone voted in favor except bob who abstained

[Parks]

I'd like to walk/play the new design with you some time, C-Re'.

Any time after this Saturday would be good (except during doubles on Sunday) if you were down to do that.

[Gordy #21004]

Originally Posted by catalystdg

as soon as we have the final decisions made we will paint and flag tee/pin locations so anyone who wants to walk the course can do so.
the club voted this spring to start from scratch so the only holes that remained are old 5 and modified versions of 9 and 10 ( witch were included in several peoples designs). although i am not running for reelection i will help who ever is elected in my place to finish both the downriver and highbridge projects. and the actual vote count i do not no but everyone voted in favor except bob who abstained

The vote was unanimous with one abstention. G.

[Gordy #21004]

Originally Posted by Gordy #21004

The vote was unanimous with one abstention. G.

Hats off to Bob, actually, for abstaining. His position on this serves as the sole bookmark of a process that was handcuffed and thrown in the trunk. That Chris was handed exclusive control of this was something that could only happen if a Steward based Board majority said so. Since this was obviuosly going to be dictated to the rest of us we tried to find a way that a member vote would approve a more inclusive motion; one that would allow for more reasonable reflection on this project, while at the same time locking in a result never-the-less. Everyone who has had a part in working through this Downriver remodel has been busting ass. We just wanted to be the pricks responsible for making this come out the way it did instead of those other p-----. We stand to be held responsible for it anyway. So I say hats off to everybody that is still on board to make this come out right and will actually be here to fund and support Chris all the way through the installation effort. Gordy. PS Jub voted for the motion too.

[catalystdg]

for the record this was never the way i thought the course should be designed or the whole situation handled. I did not want to design the course. my opinion was and still is that it should be designed by board appointed commitee and the final design voted on by the members. i however could not get support on this idea. i do commend gordy for trying to work this out so the board could look like we were in agreement and proceed as a unit, something some members(from both sides of the issues) were not willing to do in the past and still refuse to do going foreward. this is the reason i am not returning to the club. until the board can actually do what it has commited to do ( which is only to promote disc golf ) and work together towards that singular goal instead of throwing little fits and trashtalking the other board members when things don't go our way( which has been done by EVERY board member myself included) i will no longer be a part of the problem. i am still working to promote disc golf but at this time i don't see that possible as a part of the sdga. I am currently installing two private courses and have been hired by another club to install their courses. so going foreward i see disc golf in the spokane area looking up

[Gordy #21004]

Originally Posted by catalystdg

for the record this was never the way i thought the course should be designed or the whole situation handled. I did not want to design the course. my opinion was and still is that it should be designed by board appointed commitee and the final design voted on by the members. i however could not get support on this idea. i do commend gordy for trying to work this out so the board could look like we were in agreement and proceed as a unit, something some members(from both sides of the issues) were not willing to do in the past and still refuse to do going foreward. this is the reason i am not returning to the club. until the board can actually do what it has commited to do ( which is only to promote disc golf ) and work together towards that singular goal instead of throwing little fits and trashtalking the other board members when things don't go our way( which has been done by EVERY board member myself included) i will no longer be a part of the problem. i am still working to promote disc golf but at this time i don't see that possible as a part of the sdga. I am currently installing two private courses and have been hired by another club to install their courses. so going foreward i see disc golf in the spokane area looking up

Everything everyone has done for the last ten years brings us to where we are today; looking up. It has seldom been easy. we pay our own way. There's probably no better time for us than today is, but the challanges are larger and our path forward is more complex. Players and others will be called upon more than before to give and to contribute. The constant, for better or worse, is still the SDGA. that name is the door-opener. Gordy

[coryreu]

Originally Posted by Eric whippet Brown

I want to know if we can clear out some trees to make new fairways or what? I have some idea's that could make some nice holes with a few trees here and there moved out of the way.

Why was there no response to Eric's question(posted Nov. 6th?) I think that some nice holes is what people are looking for when it comes to changing the layout of a course. If that means clearing "some" trees, then so be it. Without some removal, I feel like that you're just changing directions and not changing difficulty or quality.

[Wobbly Bob]

I don't know Cory, my Board Position is Public Relations and Eric's question didn't seem to pertain to PR, that's why I didn't respond.