This is what champions are made of

[blang11]

Excerpt from interview with Dave Feldberg on 1000rated.com

Feldberg: So I get to 2002 and I go up against Climo back in his town at the Sarasota Super Tour - I’m playing against Kenny - and I’ve got him beat going into the final round. Of course, with my new push putt he’s taught me. I’m feeling pretty confident. But, it’s really windy - all of the holes go left a little bit and I’m throwing Banshees and Firebirds and nothing will go left. He’s throwing TL’s and Leopards and they’re all hyzering right to the pin on every hole. I’m just losing my mind, and I almost want to quit the sport - I’m never going to beat this guy - I’m just not good enough. I sit down after taking second place - Champ walks by me at the end of the event and says, “Keep your head up.” I say, “Champ, man, I’m out there throwing Banshees and Firebirds and I can’t even get them left enough. You’re throwing TL’s and your getting left of the basket. I just can’t do it.” And he says, “you’re not doing it right.” My ears kind of poked up - I always like an opportunity to learn something. And he said, “You’re throwing stalls, not hyzers. When you learn to thrown hyzer, it’ll go left for you - I promise.”

What he was saying to me was that I was doing what most players do when they’re learning. I was taking a stable disc out and trying to throw it out to the right and make it hyzer in. What does a disc want to do when it’s overstable? It’s mission is to go out and find the ground - so the reason it hyzers is because it’s going out and then the nose dips and it wants to hit the ground. If it’s windy, you’ll throw it out and it won’t go to the right because it’s stable, but the wind will just keep it there and it will just drop out left. It will be good; it didn’t turn OB or anything, but it didn’t really go in there like you would want it to do when it’s not windy. When you take a Tee-bird like disc or an Eagle that’s mid-stability, you throw it with hyzer, and what happens is it goes through the wind and it’s TRYING to hyzer - as it tries to flatten up because it’s less stable - the stuff that most people throw - it goes forward and as along you give enough hyzer where it never gets past flat, the disc will then try to go forward as it finishes instead of just hitting the ground, and it will dramatically hyzer further.

I started teaching this in my class - I would stand at the top of this hill and I would ask someone to give me their most stable disc. Someone would give me their Firebird out of their bag - I’d throw it on that exact same line and it would hyzer pretty hard left. Then, with a DX Valkyrie - I’d throw it with the same line - it looks the same in the air, but finishes 75 feet left of the Firebird. It doesn’t seem to make sense to the class, but it’s what I call understanding stability. There’s no way you can get to the top of the game with a 1030 rating unless you understand stability.

[blang11]

http://www.1000rated.com/2008/08/spotlight-2008-dave-feldberg/

[Brian]

I don't really understand actually.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Brian

I don't really understand actually.

You must not be a champion.

[Sean Phillips]

If a disc is at / angle it is turning left (rhbh). A firebird is going to keep / angle and dive to the ground. A valk if thrown properly is going to level out while turning left, then as it stalls turns left even more as long as it doesn't level out past -- angle.

This throw requires some touch/finese, but with practice everybody can do it and it will improve your entire game more than you think.

Hope that clears some stuff up for somebody.

[Brian]

so the firebird if thrown flat will fade more at the end than my valk will if thrown flat.

[Sam]

It means that the Valk will flatten out and go farther left than the Firebird as a result. The word "fade" only complicates the discussion.

[Chuck Kennedy]

The issue is throwing a disc like a Firebird with hyzer will drive it into the ground early. The way to get distance and go left is to throw it flat or with the classic S curve where it stalls at the end. However, if you throw a less stable disc like a TL with hyzer, it will go longer than the Firebird, not dive to ground early and continue to hyzer to the left more than the Firebird stall shot at a similar distance.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by Chuck Kennedy

The issue is throwing a disc like a Firebird with hyzer will drive it into the ground early. The way to get distance and go left is to throw it flat or with the classic S curve where it stalls at the end. However, if you throw a less stable disc like a TL with hyzer, it will go longer than the Firebird, not dive to ground early and continue to hyzer to the left more than the Firebird stall shot at a similar distance.

Ahh yes, I have found this to be true also

[olydiscgolf]

most stable doesn't equal most hyzer.

[snap7times]

right, since a hyzer could hold a line and glide with a less stable disc for along time as opposed to a disc that likes to hyzer and then fade hard fast nose down...