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Originally Posted by Ode
As a Steili local, your post really made me angry. I know you probably dont care, but i'd like to address some of what you brought up.
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If I didn't care, I would not have even posted about this.
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Originally Posted by Ode
Fort Steilacoom is an amazing disc golf course. possibly because you have not played else-where you dont have an appreciation of what you have, but it is amazing. While it may need some improvements, it remains one of the best washington has to offer. Where else can two 18 hole courses be played without ever crossing eachother so events can have the number of spots needed as the sport grows.
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If you read what I had posted, you will note that I did ask if this was what it was suppose to be, or if this was common or not.
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Trash is a huge problem, but trash cans WILL NOT solve it. If we put in trash cans, would you go and empty them when they fill up every 2 days? once they are full, people just throw the trash on the ground near the cans. Kids from the neighboring appartments love to come over to the course at night for some drinks and smash their bottles on the teepads and throw their cans in the bushes, but there really isnt anything we can do about it.
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I half expected that some trash is not from the players who use the course, but by far, most of it is. And I heard about what happened to the trash cans.
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Unlike some courses which are lucky to have parks department aid in maintaining the course, Steili is completely player maintained. When you see the remnants of a bench, that was hard work some golfer invested to put a bench in. When people break them, that shows that we cant have nice benches and that such work is a waste. Before the Spring Classic, the course was cleaned up really well, probably the cleanest its been in a while, but it took less than a week for the litter to build up again. And its not the regular local golfers that trash the course, its the casuals who just come out because its a place to drink and hang out.
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I disagree there. Sit and watch for an hour or less. Watch the players as they go by with the junk food and drinks, watch as they just toss it aside when they're done.
But regardless of who's to blame, it was really looking bad out there. But since then it was cleaned up and mowed and the place looked wonderful after that.
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Originally Posted by Ode
I view the lost and found as a priviledge. You say that Mark was elitist, but i think you expect too much.
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Yes, his attitude to the person who was talking to him was that of an elitist, he talked down to the player. Maybe you find that acceptable, but I do not. What I do expect is people in such a position to treat other people with some respect.
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Originally Posted by Ode
The lost and found person should not be responsible for your plastic, remembering if yours was in there, or to call your number.
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Then what is the point of the lost and found person if his/she is not going to be responsible for anything at all. That's a waste of time and utterly useless.
Especially since the lost and found person won't call you at all unless you are a member of the local club, and goes on to say that you are not allowed to leave a message when calling for your disc and is rarely ever seen at the course for people to get their lost disc back. Currently, the lost and found is only for the local club members only, as they are the only people who will actually get their lost disc back. Everyone else is just out of luck, or being extorted into becoming a member so when you do lose a disc, you actually get it back.
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Originally Posted by Ode
As much as a hundred discs are put in the slot every month, and there is no way one person should be responsible for getting you back your plastic. The burden lies on you. I try to call the numbers on discs before i turn them in and tell the person that its in the lost and found, but im not obligated to.
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Again you point out that the burden is on someone else, but yet, the person who handles the lost discs has no responsibility at all? I don't understand how that works. If that person is to have no responsibility at all, then why are they even bothering with the lost disc at all. Pass it on to someone else who's actually willing to show some responsibility.
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Mark is a golfer, its not his job to maintain the lost disc pile, he's doing it as a favor to the rest of us. When the plexiglass covering the lost and found slot was broken and not repaired for quite a while, i didnt get a single lost disc returned to me. Im thankful that there is even the drop box so there is a chance that a trustworthy golfer will return my plastic.
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If it's not Mark's job to do this, then maybe someone else should be found that isn't an elitist and will actually have some respect for this situation and some responsibility.
I'm not glad for the drop box at all.. If I lose a disc and it gets put in there, I'll never get it back and it will be sold within 30 days.
In fact, I refuse to ever put a found disc in that box. I've been calling the owners of the lost disc myself and either meeting up with them or having them drop by my house to get their disc.
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Originally Posted by Ode
perhaps with time you will gain some perspective on the fort steilacoom disc golf course, but your comments are narrowsighted and it angers me to think that this is what people are reading about the course i love. I look on the course review websites and i see people bashing steili, i see its not even in the top ten in washington and i blame things like your post and people who come and play the course by themselves once and get lost and decide to post about it on the web. The course isnt perfect and we are always working to improve it, but your comments are unwarranted.
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You can blame whomever you want, but if you do, maybe you should open your closed eyes first and actually look at things. You speak of me being narrow sighted, but yet, I was new to the course and people like you are the one's who gave me this perspective in the first place. Don't blame me, blame yourselves. You're angry, well instead of being angry and playing some blaming game, how about be part of the solution instead? You can point fingers everywhere all you want, but that will do nothing at all. The only thing you should be angry about is your lack of understanding of how you and others are seen by potential new players to that course and possibly not doing anything to change the perspective that myself and others are seeing there. I wonder how many people didn't come back to play there after experiencing such attitudes as yours and Mark's at the course...
At least I'm doing something about it myself. Hell, I was going to do a clean up party there, even a one man party if need be. Did you offer to help me out with that when I posted about it? No, you sure didn't, instead you'd rather blame people like me for the problems.
I'd even take on the *Responsibility* of the lost and found if I could. But currently I am not capable of doing so *Responsibly*. You see, it is a *Responsibility* taking on such a thing.
If you're part of the Tacoma club, that's one more reason that I wish to distance myself from that club. You're attitude towards this was really bad.
You want to change Fort Steilacoom's image? Then stop blaming people, stop being angry about it and do something about it... I want to change it, so I'm doing what I can about it.
I saw a guy who plays there who does care. He wear's a shi
rt that says "Pack it in, pack it out!" and he even says that to people he sees with stuff that might become trash on the course. I admire him and see him do this every time he's there. In fact, I took to this and started doing it also. The last time I saw someone throw some trash down, I asked them to not do that and even offered to take the trash for them and put it in my bag until I got to the dumpster. Now if this guy who wears that shirt is part of your club, then he's a good representation of the club, if he's not, I wonder why he's not.
You're either part of the problem or you're part of the solution. I choose to be part of the solution. It's up to you whether you're one or the other.
The next time I setup a cleaning party, feel free to join me. If I grab my hammer and say "Let's go fix some benches", you grab the nails and join me there and we'll fix some benches together.
June 17th, 2009, 12:54 PM
... take the hair off a chinchilla and you may as well listen to RATM without Zack de la Rocha. I for one do NOT want to look like that.
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