Changes?

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Brody Cannon

...all the nature freaks that think disc golf is a harm to the environment.

That's a little uncalled for, Brody.

Just because someone cares about the enviroment does not make them a freak, right?

Playing DG and caring about the environment should NOT be mutually exclusive.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

If they're really concerned about harm to the environment, then they should stop mowing all the grass in all the city parks.

Which is exactly why Greenway park has a mix of mowed and unmowed areas.

Orchard Park used to have an unmowed habitat area (holes 4-9), but the parks department apparently caved in to the disc golfers requests.

[jevon]

Originally Posted by Scott

That's a little uncalled for, Brody.

Just because someone cares about the enviroment does not make them a freak, right?

Playing DG and caring about the environment should NOT be mutually exclusive.

He did include a qualifier in there. "...all the nature freaks that think disc golf is a harm to the environment."

He is not including the nature freaks that don't think disc golf is a harm to the environment.

[Scott]

This should shed some light on the changes that Greenway Park is currently going through.

http://www.thprd.org/pdfs/facilities/GWoutreachinfo.pdf

[Pizzel]

I don't consider myself a "nature freak", but I do think disc golf can have a negative effect on natural habitats.

[Brody Cannon]

Originally Posted by Scott

That's a little uncalled for, Brody.

Just because someone cares about the enviroment does not make them a freak, right?

Playing DG and caring about the environment should NOT be mutually exclusive.

Do I really need to be MORE specific?! I'm talking about all the people that send emails to THPRD trying to get the course removed because they've "seen a disc hit a tree". I probably care for the environment just as much if not more than you do Scott. After all, I LIVE along the park. I do in some ways think that disc golf is a harm to the environment but I'm talking about the people that are strongly overreacting. People that litter are harming the environment. People that smoke are harming the environment. Heck, even people walking in the grass could be considered harming the environment! When I say 'nature freaks' I am referring to the people that are prejudice against disc golf in general. The changes I'm trying to achieve at the course are to HELP so why are you disagreeing with them?

[Sean Phillips]

Having city parks harms the environment. Having cities harms the environment. Reproducing harms the environment, your kid will most likely litter sometime in his/her life.

I worked on wind turbines for 5 months last year. One time climbing down a tower I was crowded by a bunch of "nature freaks" that wanted the wind turbines shut down because they kill birds. I'm pretty sure wind power is one of the "greenest" ways to produce power. If you think wind power isn't clean enough then stop using electricity. If disc golf is harmful to the environment to the extent that somebody wants to banish it, then walking, running, and living is in the same category. So murdering people is good for the environment.

I feel like a politician now.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Brody Cannon

The changes I'm trying to achieve at the course are to HELP so why are you disagreeing with them?

Mostly to play Devil's advocate. I think the park has a good mix of natural and mixed use areas, and I'd like it to stay that way. I'd like to make sure all sides of the issue are explored before minds are made up.

[Brody Cannon]

Originally Posted by Scott

Mostly to play Devil's advocate. I think the park has a good mix of natural and mixed use areas, and I'd like it to stay that way.

Let's get something straight... I'm not going for an 18 hole course! I'm trying to get alternate placements to relieve the area around the baskets. I'm trying to get signs so people don't get lost. I'm trying to get a kiosk with information so people know the rules of the park and know a little more about disc golf. And if I'm lucky, I'm trying to get 1-2 more holes to relieve congestion when there are tons of people playing at the same time. Scott, I know for a fact that I play this course way more than you and everyone else for that matter so I'm pretty sure I know more about it than you do. People like myself that play the course often would like some minor changes and I don't see the 'harm' in trying to achieve them.

[Pizzel]

Man.....Scott is such a "thinks he knows about Greenway Park but doesn't even live near the park freak". I think that is almost as bad as a "nature freak"!

[Brody Cannon]

Originally Posted by Pizzel

Man.....Scott is such a "thinks he knows about Greenway Park but doesn't even live near the park freak". I think that is almost as bad as a "nature freak"!

[Micah]

Brody thanks for taking the time to meet with the parks guy, the one hole placement that I would hesitate to agree with you on is hole 9 it sounds like it would make for an easy rhbh hyzer path maybe a placement much farther left next to the proposed stream bank would work well.

[Brody Cannon]

Originally Posted by Micah

Brody thanks for taking the time to meet with the parks guy, the one hole placement that I would hesitate to agree with you on is hole 9 it sounds like it would make for an easy rhbh hyzer path maybe a placement much farther left next to the proposed stream bank would work well.

I agree but the closer we get to nature/ the stream, the less of a chance to get any change at all. The spot I proposed to the parks guy is about 30 ft from the water. Sorry that my drawing sucks.

[Carie CPink]

The park belongs to all of the tax payers of Beaverton and there are many who use the park for other reasons other than disc golf. We need to respect that. Not one person owns the park regardless of how many miles they ran those trails to how many drives have been tossed from the tee pads.

And on a side note:
As an "environmental freak" who teaches environmental science AND plays A LOT of disc golf, all park users need to strike a balance with the needs of the ecosystem and how we use the land. If we abuse it, we lose it. It's called conservation and this idea goes back to Teddy Roosevelt. The land is there for us to use but at the same time, we need to maintain it for future use. If a change in the course might harm the ecosystem you should care because it's all interconnected.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Carie CPink

The park belongs to all of the tax payers of Beaverton and there are many who use the park for other reasons other than disc golf. We need to respect that. Not one person owns the park regardless of how many miles they ran those trails to how many drives have been tossed from the tee pads.

And on a side note:
As an "environmental freak" who teaches environmental science AND plays A LOT of disc golf, all park users need to strike a balance with the needs of the ecosystem and how we use the land. If we abuse it, we lose it. It's called conservation and this idea goes back to Teddy Roosevelt. The land is there for us to use but at the same time, we need to maintain it for future use. If a change in the course might harm the ecosystem you should care because it's all interconnected.

Nicely said, Carrie. Way better than I could have put it.

Oh, one other thing. Please do me a favor and go slap Pizzel up the side of his head.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Brody Cannon

Let's get something straight... I'm not going for an 18 hole course!

Did I say you were?

Originally Posted by Brody Cannon

Scott, I know for a fact that I play this course way more than you and everyone else for that matter

So you play there more than I do. Doesn't mean you own the park. As Carrie pointed out, the park is owned by the taxpayers. It's as much mine as it is yours. It is owned equally by people who have never even set foot in the park.


Brody - I don't like where this is going. This conversation is taking a seriously negative turn, and that's not what I was going for at all. In fact, many of the changes you propose (kiosk, signs) would be GREAT additions to the park and are sorely needed.

I don't necessarily agree with all of your proposed changes, but that's OK. We don't have to agree in order to get along, right?

I beleive we would be doing the park a dis-service if we did not openly discuss all of the proposed changes.

Once my back and job settle down I'd love to come out to Greenway and play a couple of rounds with you. That way I could see in person the changes you are proposing.

[Sam]

Aw, man... we were SO CLOSE to an ODSA thread. Jeez, Scott...

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Sam

Aw, man... we were SO CLOSE to an ODSA thread. Jeez, Scott...

Shut up you stoopid ass monkey.

How was that?

[Sam]

Ahhhhh....

Thanks.

[Brody Cannon]

Originally Posted by Scott

Did I say you were?

So you play there more than I do. Doesn't mean you own the park. As Carrie pointed out, the park is owned by the taxpayers. It's as much mine as it is yours. It is owned equally by people who have never even set foot in the park.

I don't necessarily agree with all of your proposed changes, but that's OK. We don't have to agree in order to get along, right?

Once my back and job settle down I'd love to come out to Greenway and play a couple of rounds with you. That way I could see in person the changes you are proposing.

Not directly but it seems like everyone thinks I'm trying to take over the entire park.

That is correct but I live along the park which means I probably care for it more since it's my backyard. I think Greenway Park is an amazing park and you're right about it being a nice mixture of nature and recreational areas. Being someone that has been to both ends of the park, I know that there is definitely a TON of protected nature areas and I personally think that there should be more recreation areas.

I'll wait for that day. Hopefully we'll have some changes achieved so I can show you what I'm working for.