Team Disc Golf Rules

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by Kyle

p.s. - as I recall, when TDG started there were no handicaps, and players were assigned a point value for their 'division'. Perhaps we we go back to that? (I know there were probably problems with said system, but again, just throwing out ideas here.) Kyle

And then there is no benefit to having lower rated players on your team! That format was created by Rolland so he could get all of the best Pro Masters together on one team and beat everybody. And when someone else made a similar team to compete he took his trophy and went home.

We could go back to that format, but then I'd have to institute new rules to force each team to have 1 MPO, 1 MMO, 1 MA1, 1 MA2, 1 MA3, 1 Female and 1 'extra' player from any division. I'd prefer to let people make their own teams with their friends and handicap it by PDGA rating to make it competitive.

And as Sam mentioned we are still having dubs as long as enough team members show up to each match.

[proto something or other]

I look forward to losing matches against a bunch of you, and then later telling all of your friends that we beat you/slept with you.

It's going to be awesome.

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by proto something or other

I look forward to losing matches against a bunch of you, and then later telling all of your friends that we beat you/slept with you.

It's going to be awesome.

I thought we were keeping that a secret!

But every time you play your rating will be adjusted, so sooner or later you'll only have to play better than your adjusted rating!

[Kevin Madrid]

Jordan,

I know about the dubs this year...I spoke with Dizzy and he mentioned something for the Dubs.

Here is Dizzy's $.02

You can make a rule called the (D-A Rule...otherwise known as the Dizzy-Amanda Rule) You can't play with someone that is less than 100pts, 75pts, or even more strict 50pts apart. This could eliminate the huge stroke difference between teams.

Dizzy won't be able to play with Amanda...may not even play with Chompy . Just a thought from Dizzy.

[Pizzel]

Originally Posted by Kevin Madrid

Jordan,

I know about the dubs this year...I spoke with Dizzy and he mentioned something for the Dubs.

Here is Dizzy's $.02

You can make a rule called the (D-A Rule...otherwise known as the Dizzy-Amanda Rule) You can't play with someone that is less than 100pts, 75pts, or even more strict 50pts apart. This could eliminate the huge stroke difference between teams.

Dizzy won't be able to play with Amanda...may not even play with Chompy . Just a thought from Dizzy.

At first glance I like this idea!

[Darr]

Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

And as Sam mentioned we are still having dubs as long as enough team members show up to each match.

SWEEEET idea!
My question is, do players who participate in the doubles match count toward the seven man point?
Also, if our seven show up and the other team fields four for the morning, do we get a freebie provided our extras PLAY a doubles round?

[Kyle]

A$$hole Casserole will drink all your beer and get messy on your discs. That is all.

[Bluedisc]

Anyone else still a bit confused on the new rules?

Jordan, what is your latest take on the new dubs policy for this Sunday. Are we going ahead with your new bonus point/match idea or reverting back to last year's rules with modifications?

Under your new rules, does a bonus dubs matchup qualify for a player's participation in the team match (to help the team earn the bonus point for fielding all seven players)--or do all seven players have to compete in at least one of the proposed eight singles matches?

Sorry about how dense I'm being here...

[Sausage Fingers]

Not a problem.

Originally Posted by Bluedisc

Are we going ahead with your new bonus point/match idea or reverting back to last year's rules with modifications?

We are going with the new dubs rule. If at least 1 team can field 6 players then the extra dubs point can be played for. Straight up, no handicaps.

Originally Posted by Bluedisc

Under your new rules, does a bonus dubs matchup qualify for a player's participation in the team match (to help the team earn the bonus point for fielding all seven players)--or do all seven players have to compete in at least one of the proposed eight singles matches?

If a player competes in ANY of the matches at least once they count toward the bonus. So if you have 6 players for the first round, then you only have to work the 7th player into the second round somewhere to qualify for the 7-man Bonus Point.

Originally Posted by Bluedisc

Sorry about how dense I'm being here...

Not dense, just trying to apply rules on paper to how the game works. Questions are always welcome, and hopefully my explanations help instead of confuse.

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by Pizzel

At first glance I like this idea!

Let's try the new rules this year and if they don't work as well as we'd like them to, then we'll try the Dizzy rules next year.

[Pizzel]

Not to be difficult but it seems to me this new doubles rule may end up being more difficult and more unfair to all teams............. With that being said, I will stop complaining until we see how it works.

I do have a question: Can someone play Cali in the doubles round?

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by Pizzel

Not to be difficult but it seems to me this new doubles rule may end up being more difficult and more unfair to all teams............. With that being said, I will stop complaining until we see how it works.

No need to hold back, what are your thoughts?

Originally Posted by Pizzel

I do have a question: Can someone play Cali in the doubles round?

As long as at least 1 of the 2 teams in the match can field 6 players in any round the opposing team can have 1 player play Cali if they can only field 5 players in that round.

Oh, and we changed the Cali rule to the more liberal "1 extra throw per hole" interpretation instead of last year which was best of 2 drives on each hole played out regularly from there. So this year you can take your good drive and get 2 upshots or two putts if you need.

[Celeste]

[quote=Pizzel;3444]Not to be difficult but it seems to me this new doubles rule may end up being more difficult and more unfair to all teams............. QUOTE]

From a member of a less than 800 avg. rated team I'll second that statement. Even if we put our best rated players up for dubs we'd have little chance against most teams.

I already lost about 2 strokes a round handicap with my new rating from Pier.

That said woohoo Team Golf. If I lost every match I'd be back next year!

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by Celeste

From a member of a less than 800 avg. rated team I'll second that statement. Even if we put our best rated players up for dubs we'd have little chance against most teams.

Yeah but last year you'd have little chance of winning AND you'd have to give strokes to the opponent...

[Jeff Hemmerling]

I've got a real problem with doubles this year. There is absolutely
no motivation for a team to play the doubles round if they are rated
much lower than the opposing doubles team. This rewards higher rated
teams and penalizes lower rated teams (as pointed out by Celeste).
This season's strategy: wait to see who the other doubles team is and
if we don't like the match-up I'll just send my extra players home.
Not much fun in my not-so-humble opinion.

[proto something or other]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hemmerling

This season's strategy: wait to see who the other doubles team is and if we don't like the match-up I'll just send my extra players home.

That would be hugely disrespectful to the other competitors. There's your incentive.

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hemmerling

I've got a real problem with doubles this year. There is absolutely
no motivation for a team to play the doubles round if they are rated
much lower than the opposing doubles team. This rewards higher rated
teams and penalizes lower rated teams (as pointed out by Celeste).
This season's strategy: wait to see who the other doubles team is and
if we don't like the match-up I'll just send my extra players home.
Not much fun in my not-so-humble opinion.

Seems to me just another aspect of the game that requires strategy. Do you save the higher rated players for the dubs rounds and risk losing the singles rounds? Do you use all of your top rated players to make sure that you win the singles and then hope to get the dubs match with the lower rated players?

There is no requirement to field players in the extra dubs match, but if they are present, wouldn't playing usually be the choice instead of not playing? The dubs team with no matchup only has to complete 1 hole better than +4 to take the match point.

Regardless, we are only talking about 2 out of 12 possible points coming from dubs. But I want to make the competition as fair as possible.

What if we adopted the Dizzy Rule on this year's dubs? Does even that address the problem of lower rated players playing higher rated players in dubs? Should we handicap the dubs too? Maybe use the highest player rating. This should have been hashed out earlier, but we haven't started yet. If you have an opinion I'd really like to hear from you.

My thinking on this year's dubs was will the new format increase the number of players who show at each event?

[George A.]

i think that we handicap the dubs too and use the highest player rating as the rating for that team
and buy the way look out for TEAM VAPOR TRAILS we're coming for you all

[Brody Cannon]

Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

If a player competes in ANY of the matches at least once they count toward the bonus. So if you have 6 players for the first round, then you only have to work the 7th player into the second round somewhere to qualify for the 7-man Bonus Point.

The 7-man point should not be possible unless all 7 players play in a singles match that way their rating is adjusted each time they show up. This way there aren't players that play the entire season with the same low rating.

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by Brody Cannon

The 7-man point should not be possible unless all 7 players play in a singles match that way their rating is adjusted each time they show up. This way there aren't players that play the entire season with the same low rating.

Damn you got good ideas kid!

I may have to go with that idea too.

Any more?