Hole 13 - let the debate begin...

[Scott]

If hole 13 (on the orginal course were to have a par other than three, what should it be? I'm thinking four, but can a case be made for five?

[KenGilmore]

Par 4.

[Adam Schneider]

No way it's 5. Definitely a par 4 though.

[proto something or other]

This is the one up the hill IIRC. I like the idea of this being a 4. I have gotten two threes on it, and they felt like birdies. I feel that this is probably a much easier three than 18 on the same course. I think this is true for me because it does not take a full second drive to get to the basket.

[Flash]

3.57 , we could all use some better math skills and this will accomplish both!

[Arose]

par 3. its not that long and you rightys shouldn't have any trouble with it. but you cant birdie it so par 4 works to.

[Bob Horning]

we're calling 13 a par 4, just because calling it a 3.5 just doesn't work. when we set the course up by pdga standards it falls somewhere between a par 3.5 and par 4, so to make things easy par 4 works for me

[Bob Horning]

Yesterday we made a new t-pad for 13, down below the wood pile instead of above it. This new spot drops the height a least 12 feet, puts a different angle on the throw, and should make this a much more solid par 4. We also poured cement yesterday for alternate and longer target placements on holes 1, 5, 7, 11, 12, 15 and poured cement for the targets that are in the picnic areas around the lake (for those who really want a challenging water shot). The ones around the lake are there to introduce more folks to the game of disc golf, but I'm thinking of having a pot going that one can throw a dollar into and if they ace or even hit metal they win the current pot. We'd have to chose a spot to throw from, so before we set that up I'd like folks to look at it to get their opinion on that.

[Adam Schneider]

Originally Posted by Bob Horning

...and poured cement for the targets that are in the picnic areas around the lake (for those who really want a challenging water shot).

I'm confused... will these be a couple of free-standing baskets that aren't part of any of the courses?

[Bob Horning]

Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

I'm confused... will these be a couple of free-standing baskets that aren't part of any of the courses?

Yes. We do various functions up here, b-days, company picnics, etc... and these extra targets are so these folks can see and get to know disc golf. Basically they are for the most part putting targets for these folks, but as I mentioned we can have a fun pot going for acing or even hitting metal for the one that sits across the lake.

[Minordiety]

Originally Posted by Bob Horning

Yesterday we made a new t-pad for 13, down below the wood pile instead of above it. This new spot drops the height a least 12 feet, puts a different angle on the throw, and should make this a much more solid par 4. We also poured cement yesterday for alternate and longer target placements on holes 1, 5, 7, 11, 12, 15 and poured cement for the targets that are in the picnic areas around the lake (for those who really want a challenging water shot). The ones around the lake are there to introduce more folks to the game of disc golf, but I'm thinking of having a pot going that one can throw a dollar into and if they ace or even hit metal they win the current pot. We'd have to chose a spot to throw from, so before we set that up I'd like folks to look at it to get their opinion on that.

Below the tee pad? Now i'll never make par on that one. You're a sick man, Bob Horning Should be a fun shot that could bring the woods on the left in to play even more than they are now. Look forward to bogeying this one!

[Bob Horning]

Originally Posted by Minordiety

Below the tee pad? Now i'll never make par on that one. You're a sick man, Bob Horning Should be a fun shot that could bring the woods on the left in to play even more than they are now. Look forward to bogeying this one!

Exactly. Right now there has been a debate on whether 13 is a par 4, and this new tee pad placement does bring the woods on the left much more into play. Where the original pad was if you had a heck of an arm you could toss and hook it way up hill. Now the angle is different, so getting it up so far on the first shot is really difficult, so this should make it a solid par 4. The other pad will still be in place if people wish to use that too.

[Vector_2008]

Originally Posted by Bob Horning

Exactly. Right now there has been a debate on whether 13 is a par 4, and this new tee pad placement does bring the woods on the left much more into play. Where the original pad was if you had a heck of an arm you could toss and hook it way up hill. Now the angle is different, so getting it up so far on the first shot is really difficult, so this should make it a solid par 4. The other pad will still be in place if people wish to use that too.

What is the distance to the pin from this new tee pad?

[Adam Schneider]

Originally Posted by Vector_2008

What is the distance to the pin from this new tee pad?

It'll depend entirely on how you measure it.

[Sam]

Meh... just thumber it over the forest right up onto the hill for a deuce look. Sounds easy...

[Vector_2008]

Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

It'll depend entirely on how you measure it.

So how would you measure it?

[Sam]

This is an excellent question. I am guessing that you define the fairway and split it down the middle from tee to basket. In this case, it would be almost U shaped.

Measuring it from tee to pin directly would be silly as no one would ever go that way - on purpose.

[Adam Schneider]

Originally Posted by Vector_2008

So how would you measure it?

That's a good question...

[Bob Horning]

Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

That's a good question...

Tomorrow afternoon after we move the baskets I'm going to remeasure everything. On 13 it is U shape, and what I'll do is guestimate the most likely route on good throws and take the wheel I've got through that route. It's not going to be much longer, but because the new angle of the first throw, the loss of elevation it will change the dynamics of the hole. It should make it a solid par 4.

[Vector_2008]

Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

That's a good question...

Thanks for the good visual.

I like the 464' line, but I think I'll let Bob make the call on that tomorrow when he measures it. It is his course and he can do it anyway he wants.