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Old January 25th, 2013, 10:20 AM
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Yo Chuck Kennedy!!!!!!!!!
From one oldie to another, has there been any discussion about changing the age limit for the 'protected' divisions?
Thanks ol' timer.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 11:51 AM
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Yo Chuck Kennedy!!!!!!!!!
From one oldie to another, has there been any discussion about changing the age limit for the 'protected' divisions?
Thanks ol' timer.
Yoseman
Yose,

Where do you want this to lead? More divisions? Fewer divisions? I'm curious.

Also, didn't they already bump the Masters age up to 40 from 35 once?

Personally, I think we already have too many divisions. It seems like a lot of people want to so many divisions that we end have a bunch of divisions with 3-5 people in them... which I think is not only absurd, but a logistical nightmare for TDs.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 04:07 PM
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Haven't heard any discussion on changing the age ranges. The only thing new in the past two years is the addition of the Grand Legends for 75+ and Sr Legends for 80+
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Old January 25th, 2013, 05:03 PM
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Haven't heard any discussion on changing the age ranges. The only thing new in the past two years is the addition of the Grand Legends for 75+ and Sr Legends for 80+
Such bullshit. Senior Legends should be 90+. When will the sandbagging and age protected bagging end? These 80 year olds are predatory.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 05:11 PM
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Such bullshit. Senior Legends should be 90+. When will the sandbagging and age protected bagging end? These 80 year olds are predatory.
They're non-existent so far. I don't think we've processed a Sr Legends division yet for ratings. And we know they're unlikely propagating at that age (nothing to do with needing Viagra, their ratings are under 800 )
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Old January 28th, 2013, 08:54 PM
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Haven't heard any discussion on changing the age ranges. The only thing new in the past two years is the addition of the Grand Legends for 75+ and Sr Legends for 80+
Thanks man!
I like the 5 year gap as opposed to 10 and wonder if it would fit in with the PGM to SGM age ranges.
Say for example:
PM 45-50
PGM 50-55
SGM 55-60
I think for the ordinary average guy, once we're 40-45, every 5 years is noticeable when it comes to endurance and/or other ol' timer issues.
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Old January 28th, 2013, 09:45 PM
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I think the current PDGA age divisions are more than reasonable... but as someone that would like more chances at trophies... I also agree with Flatroc.
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Old January 28th, 2013, 09:58 PM
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Those are the age ranges used for the Senior Games for competitors over 50. I did a study that pros lose 1 throw (10 rating points) every 5 years on average starting at age 40. But I'm not sure that's enough to justify 5 year ranges until perhaps 60-65 where we didn't have enough data to see if it was still 1 shot lost per 5 years. It appeared to accelerate.
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Old January 28th, 2013, 10:56 PM
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Yose,

Where do you want this to lead? More divisions? Fewer divisions? I'm curious.

Also, didn't they already bump the Masters age up to 40 from 35 once?

Personally, I think we already have too many divisions. It seems like a lot of people want to so many divisions that we end have a bunch of divisions with 3-5 people in them... which I think is not only absurd, but a logistical nightmare for TDs.
I believe that I agree with you, Jeff as for too many divisions.
I understand the issue for TD's but I still sign up for tournaments that don't have my true division.

Well, I see the heart ache here but don't have a solution. I guess I keep enjoying this game and learn to putt better.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 07:41 AM
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Those are the age ranges used for the Senior Games for competitors over 50. I did a study that pros lose 1 throw (10 rating points) every 5 years on average starting at age 40. But I'm not sure that's enough to justify 5 year ranges until perhaps 60-65 where we didn't have enough data to see if it was still 1 shot lost per 5 years. It appeared to accelerate.

Cool, I remember reading bits about your study and was wondering if it still came up at the talk table. Thanks again Chuck for all the work you have put into our great sport.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:15 AM
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Pure speculation, but down the road I think as the current generations under 40 age, they will be more comfortable playing with players with a wider mix of ages and the demand for having age based divisions will diminish in favor of ratings based divisions. There's really little need for age based divisions (and even gender) now. But tradition and familiarity has a strong pull which leads to discussions like this to provide even more narrowly focused age range divisions.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 04:52 PM
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It should not matter who you play against when it comes to rating based divisions. I am curious if rating based divisions are in our future what happens to all of the individuals that don't have a rating will they be unable to compete in tournament play. I like the idea but feel that some players might feel forced to join the PDGA so that they can compete or does the PDGA have an easy solution for the unrated players.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 06:37 PM
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...the demand for having age based divisions will diminish in favor of ratings based divisions...
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For my part I've got no gripes about current divisions. What irks me are the TDs that won't include an Advanced Senior Grandmasters division in their tournament lineups. I don't think it's reasonable to expect a guy like me (soon to be 66) to either play in the Advanced Grandmasters (or sometimes even Advanced Masters) with there being as much as a 15 or even 25 year age span between myself and potential competitors or else go with the Beginners and more often than not get matched against a bunch of sandbaggers. Either way it's not even close to a level playing field and I'm getting tired of contributing my entry fees to pay for trophies I stand no chance of winning.
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Play amateur? Are there any other advanced senior Grand Masters in said tournaments?


I'm really looking forward to playing masters(open) next year, so for selfish reasons I hope it doesn't change.
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Old March 16th, 2013, 06:56 PM
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Those are the age ranges used for the Senior Games for competitors over 50. I did a study that pros lose 1 throw (10 rating points) every 5 years on average starting at age 40. But I'm not sure that's enough to justify 5 year ranges until perhaps 60-65 where we didn't have enough data to see if it was still 1 shot lost per 5 years. It appeared to accelerate.
Chuck,
Thanks always for your input as I value your experience and knowledge about a lot of disc golf topics.
I realize that these are 'averages' but I think that the lost shot numbers would accelerate quite a bit in the 45-60 range.
I'm curious as to what the average rating for masters players would be?
Then you could estimate what your rating would be after these 10 point drops.
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Old March 16th, 2013, 07:28 PM
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I'm going to update these tables with 2012 data. However, I've had no sense that average numbers have changed much, just the number of players in each bracket has increased: http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/PlayerRatingDistribution2008YearEnd.pdf
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