Etiquette change over time

[dan]

After about a 2-3 year hiatus, I've been golfing again a lot for the last month or two. It's great to be playing again.

I've been playing at Pier a lot, and I keep finding myself behind people who are taking tons of extra throws. Frequently emptying their bags on puts and approaches. They don't seem like beginners, either. Which is to say I expect them to know better. They can clearly see me waiting for them at the tee pad at every hole. Sometimes I get a chance to play through. Usually I just end up skipping a couple holes to pass.

I don't remember it being such a consistent problem when I used to play. Have you guys found it's getting worse? Is DG growing to the point that there are a lot of newer players who don't grasp basic course etiquette? Is it the same as it's always been, and it's all in my head? I'd be interested to hear thoughts.

[guitodd]

There are alot more people playing who dont know of etiquiette, but like you said, players should know better. I would say to you ,yell fore and throw on them if you see them throwing numberous upshots or whatnot. At a place that sees as much action as pier park you cant expect to play a round by yourself and not come up on groups. absorb into a small group and remember to not be "that guy". Lead by example. Welcome back, buy a King!

[discdog]

There is another part of disc golf etiquette that has been sorely lacking as of late. Twice I have left a putter on the 18th hole of canyon with a name and a number on it. Do you think someone could turn it in on the way out. NO, they put it in their bag and take it home. That is not what I was taught to do with found discs!

[jeffmonty]

Sorry, but the two statements, "Yell fore and throw on them" and "Lead by example", contradict one another.

[Mcw5378]

Yes.
Lately there have been people throwing multiple shots on a lot of courses! Not just at Pier.

Yes.
Etiquette is lacking. By many golfers.

[SPIDER-DAN]

I think the proper way to let someone know they are taking too much time finishing a hole is to yell, "coming in on hole ___!".

Sometimes people do not realized there is someone behind them and just stand around the basket and talk about whatever even after they have all put thier last putt in. Please do your after action reviews somewhere else.

And of course, you should never throw on anyone........no matter what.

[General Scales]

Wait a minute, it's not appropriate behavior to empty your bag on every hole while smoking and drinking and littering? Man I was taught incorrectly.

Seriously though, I severely dislike people that act like each hole is their's and nobody else's. I cannot tell you how many times I've been stuck behind a group of people that obviously threw 10 plus discs on a 200 foot hole going for the ace. When you walk up to the hole, they all grab their bags and scurry away to retrieve their many failed attempts, never letting you throw through because they don't want to wait on you.

Some people's children...

[austinn]

Funny i read this yesterday and was thinking to myself, "I'm glad i havnt run into this lately," didnt take long for me to eat my words" was thinking about this thread as I was out there today haha

[Chopper]

Well, what ever you do don't talk to them about it.

I'm never afraid to teach or remind other players about common courtesy.

[guitodd]

Originally Posted by jeffmonty

Sorry, but the two statements, "Yell fore and throw on them" and "Lead by example", contradict one another.

thank you for the analysis. No they dont contradict. If you are confused then you missed the point. Your trivial retort is the confusion. Stick to the subject. I will forward all of my posts to you for any more continuity analysis.

[JMan]

The second mistake here is made by the players who say nothing...be nice, but if groups don't address the issue immediately you validate their misunderstanding of course etiquette...making the argument here, while relevant, solves little. One of the biggest challenges here is that so many people don't want to spark an incident...have we lost all our social skills to converse and resolve misunderstanding, we'd rather view then condemn? Be the change my brothers and sisters, if not you...then who?
'J'

[WestsoundBT]

This may seem like a side diversion to the topic, but it ends up coming back close to some of the main dilemas for finding solutions in situations like these.

http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2012/jun/21/gold-mou...ate-slow-play/

Yeah, its an article about a ball golf course. Article about slow play at Gold Mountain in Bremerton (city course). It is a really interesting read if you read between the lines and apply it to what you know about people. (mind you, it not what you know about yourself, but what you know about "people")

The article includes all that has been done in an attempt to lessen effects of slow play (which can be, and is, an ettiquete issue). They lay out how marshalls have tried to help, and how that sometimes works and sometimes backfires. It shares how some groups welcome help by outsiders, and some fly off the handle when approached. It really lays out a "can't win" situation no matter how you try to "fix it".

Then... go through and read the crazy comments that FULLY substantiate the diversity of responses people have to those experiences. Then think... how would I try to fix it? or just come away shaking your head and shrugging shoulders.

Then think of the parallels to our sports etiquette issues.

[jeffmonty]

Originally Posted by guitodd

thank you for the analysis. No they dont contradict. If you are confused then you missed the point. Your trivial retort is the confusion. Stick to the subject. I will forward all of my posts to you for any more continuity analysis.

We all get frustrated when newbs are throwing multiple discs on holes while traffic is backing up behind them. Throwing on them is not the solution. Explaining etiquette to them is (in the long run).
"Yell fore and throw on them" and "Lead by example" were your words, not mine. If you truly want to lead by example, throwing on them is exactly what NOT to do. Unless you enjoy being thrown on, I guess. Sorry you got butt-hurt.

[General Scales]

[maco capo]

Haha

[guitodd]

Originally Posted by jeffmonty

If you truly want to lead by example, throwing on them is exactly what NOT to do. Unless you enjoy being thrown on, I guess..

Thats your opinion. Im not a pacifist. Throwing on them would be my example BECAUSE I wouldnt want to be thrown at. Therefore I am aware of those around me and dont take extra throws. I did say yell fore first. riiiiggghht. Thats a good productive example. BooHooyah. Now off to fun with the butt.PEACE

[fernhillphil]

My buddy and I let a single play through us a few weeks ago and he proceeded to through multiple drives, right in front of us. I was dumbfounded. When I play through people, I try to be as quick as possible. I'll often lay it up and skip putting rather than going for a long birdie just to be faster.

Just last week, a group of 3 of us were playing behind a group of 6. This group consisted of a family; mom, dad, and a 5 year old, who were all obviously new to the sport. No problem. My problem was that there was at least one member of their group who was a seasoned disc golfer. Bag tags, minis, etc... He never once made an effort to let us play through even though we watched them walk off the tee pad and slowly play every hole for the last 7 holes. This guy knew better but was just arrogant.

And just a personal preference here, but I think walking around the course blasting your ipod is incredibly rude to other golfers. Particularly when a group walks up to a teepad while people are driving.

And litterers. Fucking litterers...

[fernhillphil]

Originally Posted by guitodd

Thats your opinion. Im not a pacifist. Throwing on them would be my example BECAUSE I wouldnt want to be thrown at. Therefore I am aware of those around me and dont take extra throws. I did say yell fore first. riiiiggghht. Thats a good productive example. BooHooyah. Now off to fun with the butt.PEACE

I don't throw multiple discs when people are waiting on me, but if you throw down on me, fore or not, I'll throw your disc as far as I can in the opposite direction.

I agree with jeff here, throwing down on someone isnt leading by example. It's setting the example to be an asshole

[guitodd]

Originally Posted by fernhillphil

I don't throw multiple discs when people are waiting on me, but if you throw down on me, fore or not, I'll throw your disc as far as I can in the opposite direction.

good thing I wont be throwing on you cause your so courteous and scarey. This will save you the embarASSment of hiting a tree in your big manly tyraid. This was about etiquitte and that was your response? Your the guy who hits the brakes on the highway when some dipstick is merging doing 40mph thinking your being courteous when 10 people behind you obeying the rules have to slam on the brakes. Try thinking first.

[fernhillphil]

Originally Posted by guitodd

good thing I wont be throwing on you cause your so courteous and scarey. This will save you the embarASSment of hiting a tree in your big manly tyraid. This was about etiquitte and that was your response? Your the guy who hits the brakes on the highway when some dipstick is merging doing 40mph thinking your being courteous when 10 people behind you obeying the rules have to slam on the brakes. Try thinking first.

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