OR Team DG: Week 7 Milo BSF East

[Pizzel]

Originally Posted by Susie Sunshine

I don't think playing from the am pads that are available would lower the SSA... that being said, I think Pinkal's suggestion of the am pads wasn't meant for that purpose; it was to help speed of play? I could be totally wrong; just the way I read it. And my wimpy little arm will play from any pad you tell me to, though I must say I prefer the am pads.

Shawn, that was exactly the issue I was attempting to address by suggesting AM pads. I think round times could be a huge issue at Milo considering there are only 18 holes in the ground and we don't have the course reserved. Playing from the AM pads should reduce our round times by at least 20 mins.

I don't think SSA necessarily correlates with round time. Especially, when looking at events that have participates spanning a huge ratings range(like TDG).

[Flash]

Jordan I have no horse in this race but from my experience with this course here is my estimates. The East Side tournament layout playing hole 1 from bathrooms near BSF tournament central. Also all baskets are in the short so some holes will be easier for some levels of play already.

Hole 1. Easier from the am pad by .5 stroke in the short.
Hole 2. Same.
Hole 3. Same
Hole 4. Easier by .5( that short basket is a joke with the mack truck lane created by the tree removal helpers)
Hole 5. Same.
Hole 6. Easier by .15, catering to the arms that can get outside on the drive
hole 7. Easier by 1 stroke. No threat off the tee
Hole 8. Same.
Hole 9. Same.
hole 10. Easier by .3, tight tunnel but no trees blocking the basket
Hole 11. Same.
Hole 12. Easier by .5, short basket with no OB risk
hole 13. Easier by .5
Hole 14. Easier by 1, could be more but safe to say for most players
Hole 15. Easier by .35, reachable by most with driver or mid range
Hole 16. Easier by .25, shortens the hole after the drive.
Hole 17. Same.
Hole 18. Same.

My estimate is easier by 5.05.

[Carie CPink]

Originally Posted by George A.

Eating all the gluten I can get my hands on so I can kick some Pinkal/Coalman A$$

Bring your gluten-eatin' azz to Milo, Georginia so I can kick it. Kick it real good. And JoJo's too!

[Wes Hansen]

All I hear is 8 RP/S.
And I like what it does to The Discrupters chances!
955 and under play AM pads, 956+ play pro. (kiddin'- team ratings based joke).

Bad news is The Discrupters fell back under the 6000 team rating mark.
Good news is 8RP/S and the RR's high ratings and things are looking up.
If VT can beat them....

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by Flash

Jordan I have no horse in this race but from my experience with this course here is my estimates. The East Side tournament layout playing hole 1 from bathrooms near BSF tournament central. Also all baskets are in the short so some holes will be easier for some levels of play already.

Hole 1. Easier from the am pad by .5 stroke in the short.
Hole 2. Same.
Hole 3. Same
Hole 4. Easier by .5( that short basket is a joke with the mack truck lane created by the tree removal helpers)
Hole 5. Same.
Hole 6. Easier by .15, catering to the arms that can get outside on the drive
hole 7. Easier by 1 stroke. No threat off the tee
Hole 8. Same.
Hole 9. Same.
hole 10. Easier by .3, tight tunnel but no trees blocking the basket
Hole 11. Same.
Hole 12. Easier by .5, short basket with no OB risk
hole 13. Easier by .5
Hole 14. Easier by 1, could be more but safe to say for most players
Hole 15. Easier by .35, reachable by most with driver or mid range
Hole 16. Easier by .25, shortens the hole after the drive.
Hole 17. Same.
Hole 18. Same.

My estimate is easier by 5.05.

What were the BSF East round's average SSA from which you gleaned this data? When you subtract 5.05 from this average does it lower the SSA below 58?

[softwinterwhispers]

And i am ready to show those roughnecks how we do it. I am ready to rough you up!

Originally Posted by Wes Hansen

All I hear is 8 RP/S.
And I like what it does to The Discrupters chances!
955 and under play AM pads, 956+ play pro. (kiddin'- team ratings based joke).

Bad news is The Discrupters fell back under the 6000 team rating mark.
Good news is 8RP/S and the RR's high ratings and things are looking up.
If VT can beat them....

[XandorF]

yeah im with harrison, the original "how bout not" guy. i just dont like change in general

[XandorF]

Originally Posted by softwinterwhispers

And i am ready to show those roughnecks how we do it. I am ready to rough you up!

would you please do that...

[HarrisonH]

At the very least just don't mess with the genius hole. Missed it at Hab/Rec for playing Int, and still haven't had a shot at it.

[NWDiscer]

Originally Posted by HarrisonH

At the very least just don't mess with the genius hole. Missed it at Hab/Rec for playing Int, and still haven't had a shot at it.

only 1 pad on the Genius, some day we may get a 2nd pad there....

[LegoRules]

Originally Posted by NWDiscer

only 1 pad on the Genius, some day we may get a 2nd pad there....

At Hab Rec if I remember correctly one of the pools teed off from down below from a natural pad. I think this is what harrission means by missing it at Hab Rec.

Hey btw while I am here on this thread the Chick Flick will be at Milo on Sunday with our fundraiser lunch. $5 for a main dish, desert & soda plus entry into a drawing for a bunch of cool stuff Next Adventure is donating. You can also purchase extra tickets for the drawing for a $1. We will draw the winners at the final.

Cindy

[softwinterwhispers]

Yum I do love the chick flick grub, last time the pulled pork was most excellent!

Looking forward to Milo's menu.

Originally Posted by LegoRules

At Hab Rec if I remember correctly one of the pools teed off from down below from a natural pad. I think this is what harrission means by missing it at Hab Rec.

Hey btw while I am here on this thread the Chick Flick will be at Milo on Sunday with our fundraiser lunch. $5 for a main dish, desert & soda plus entry into a drawing for a bunch of cool stuff Next Adventure is donating. You can also purchase extra tickets for the drawing for a $1. We will draw the winners at the final.

Cindy

[George A.]

Originally Posted by Carie CPink

Bring your gluten-eatin' azz to Milo, Georginia so I can kick it. Kick it real good. And JoJo's too!

Wow... Joe isn't that what Coalman's mom said last night ... Mother like doughter

[Flash]

Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

What were the BSF East round's average SSA from which you gleaned this data? When you subtract 5.05 from this average does it lower the SSA below 58?

Jordan, that SSA was 59 for the east side in the longs and Pro pads last year. This was also in decent weather the year before it was 59.27 with a little worse weather but all long baskets. This is also predicated by the fact that the PRO field an average had a player rating of 1000. As much as we want to believe that the rating system does not depend on the propagators, it does.

My best guess with these changes the course play would lower the SSA by 5 strokes but the points per stroke probably would not leave the 8-8.5 per stroke range. So if you want to make it tougher to win for better players leave it at 8 if you want to make it easier for the better players make it 9. Looks like last year TDG played it closer to 62.5 SSA with the weather and extra clothing I am sure. I bet 8 is still a pretty safe bet as long as you are not stalking the course with a bunch of 1000 rated players

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by Flash

Jordan, that SSA was 59 for the east side in the longs and Pro pads last year. This was also in decent weather the year before it was 59.27 with a little worse weather but all long baskets. This is also predicated by the fact that the PRO field an average had a player rating of 1000. As much as we want to believe that the rating system does not depend on the propagators, it does.

My best guess with these changes the course play would lower the SSA by 5 strokes but the points per stroke probably would not leave the 8-8.5 per stroke range. So if you want to make it tougher to win for better players leave it at 8 if you want to make it easier for the better players make it 9. Looks like last year TDG played it closer to 62.5 SSA with the weather and extra clothing I am sure. I bet 8 is still a pretty safe bet as long as you are not stalking the course with a bunch of 1000 rated players

Well I wouldn't call it a bunch and certainly NOT the average rating for the field...but we have some very good golfers in TDG. I've seen some pretty amazing scorecards turned in.

Yeah the weather will probably have a measurable effect and also lesson the hole by hole improvement you list above. We really won't know for sure until the rounds are played.

That also reminds me of a possible change to the way we handicap this league next year. What if each round's ssa isn't set before the match and we use whatever ssa is actually shot during the round? It may put some uncertainty in the match if you do not know exactly what you have to shoot to beat your opponent.

[Darr]

Don't forget about east 12 (winter 18) not being on the island.

[jevon]

Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

That also reminds me of a possible change to the way we handicap this league next year. What if each round's ssa isn't set before the match and we use whatever ssa is actually shot during the round? It may put some uncertainty in the match if you do not know exactly what you have to shoot to beat your opponent.

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[Lund]

Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

That also reminds me of a possible change to the way we handicap this league next year. What if each round's ssa isn't set before the match and we use whatever ssa is actually shot during the round? It may put some uncertainty in the match if you do not know exactly what you have to shoot to beat your opponent.

If I had a vote I would vote against this change. I rather like knowing the score before and during my match as opposed to the next day when SSA is calculated. That is what competition is all about in my book.

And in my mere 1/2 season experience with ORTDG the handicaps are working out amazingly. Just last weekend all 3 of the matches I played in or watched (1 doubles, 2 singles) were decided on the last hole.

[Zach Murphy]

So are we set on playing some short pads? I would hope and like to play milo to the full effect, as would the rest of my team...i know debs not scared of the long pads.

[XandorF]

Originally Posted by NWDiscer

only 1 pad on the Genius, some day we may get a 2nd pad there....

the genius pad... and the savant pad.