Sekani Process

[General Scales]

All I care about is making Sekani a must play destination. With all the land and talent in the area, there is no reason it couldn't become the Milo Mciver of Washington. All that needs to happen is everyone has to check their personal belief systems at the door ...

...now how do we do that?

[Stimpi]

Originally Posted by General Scales

All I care about is making Sekani a must play destination. With all the land and talent in the area, there is no reason it couldn't become the Milo Mciver of Washington.
...now how do we do that?

First of all, even though Jeff presented this project to the club as a 105 acre park, (and he got us another 40 acres! Atta Boy!), in reality we have about 50 acres or so to design and build on.
Nobody talks about this because of this inane "Land Grab" mentality.

To me that says 18 quality holes, not 36 holes that need mandatories and such to keep everyone safe.
We may, or may not, get to build on the 40 acres of Conservancy land, which would be more holes, but that's not on the table at this time.

I think all you erstwhile course designers ought to get the parameters of our usable area and judge for yourselves.

As far as me, as a Private Course owner, not wanting to see quality public golf happen, or whatever I'm being accused of, I can only say, it's Poppycock!

That's a silly response to a silly accusation. I'm a disc golfer first, who appreciates ALL the public course I've ever seen, and love the fact that there were only 750 courses when I started playing, and now there's over 3000. Why would I not want that trend to continue?
I do.

[Dixon011001]

I like the course layouts. Lets get the baskets in before they tell us we cant have them there. It worked for the mountain bikers with the way they put in trails. It should work for us with baskets.


GARILLA DISC GOLF

[Yoduh]

Originally Posted by Simmeltron

I must be confused here... so the best way to move these projects forward and gain the respect of the disc golf community is to never cease with the smart alec remarks and jabbing and poking at others? I'm not saying you are the only one guilty at this by any means, Jeremy. But I just would like to know WHEN THIS WILL STOP?? EVER??

I have been a "voiceless" member of the local DG community for some time now. But those days are over for me. From now on I will be a voting member of the SDGA and will be voicing my thoughts, feelings, and opinions POLITELY AND REASONABLY.

I fully agree with you and am just as excited to get Sekani established as soon as possible. But I do feel that because this will be a public course with several groups and agencies involved, this should have been a public project with all decisions and plans going through the proper channels (board, voting members, etc) from day ONE.

I really hope that moving forward we can all be mature about this, look at past mistakes and successes, as appropriate, and move forward with the best attempt at continuing those successes and avoiding those mistakes if at all possible. I am not going to try and change how you or anybody else thinks or feels about disc golf or the community involved with it. But when the need for discussion, planning, and even criticism arises, please make it CONSTRUCTIVE and not DESTRUCTIVE.

I fully admit that I have been guilty of reacting. If you go back and read the posts on this forum I was never picking on anyone trying to start anything. I will try to watch my tone as I'd like some peace in our club soon. Our meetings have been nasty and draining. Not something that is sustainable or enjoyable. The last few posts I have made, have already addressed this issue somewhat. I'm not going to bicker about what people "think I have done" or am doing. I have done nothing that would jeprodize this course, nor would I.

As far as this whole event's timeline is concerned. I have been accused of keeping this whole thing a secret. I found out 2 days before I left town for a week that we could be getting a walk through of what a layout would look like at Camp Sekani. I spent 2 days helping Jeff set something up (Not counting the 300+ hours I have spent up there designing holes for fun) I was asked by Jeff to help him arrange things so that the parks department could see what a course might look like on this land. When I got back Wednesday night I was excited to go help finish setting things up to show the parks. We had 2 more days to get it set up. We pushed the pin placements out as wide as we could going over trails and such. The club had known that we were going to have a fundraiser the evening that I left, as posted by Bob on November 3rd. As far as I knew the club finding out about the project actually going through was 2 days behind me knowing it might be happening. What I knew was that it might be going through and that they wanted to see what it would look like. Two days later they were given the full green light.

The pins that were well into the bike area were moved before anybody had even played the layout. So as far as putting bikers in danger to accrue land it was done without anybody actually playing it. Now what the bikers said was ok and what Mike Aho said would be ok, has turned out to have some issues. So I met with the bike president yesterday to hear all of his concerns and to make things as smooth and as good as possible. In our meeting he said that there are several trails that he could easily divert in order to give US as much area as possible. In exchange he wanted two serious issues addressed. Which I did immediately. The areas that he would divert traffic around would give us at least 2 more acres. and 2 new sweet holes! Hole 7's green would no longer have a trail through it. The big concern was hole 5 and that hole has been moved to a much shorter position to keep discs away from the green gate, we can install a long pin position that could be placed at a tournament. The area below the rocks will be completely opened up to disc golf with all those jumps being destroyed and the bridge up in the gully being removed completely. The traffic that flows out in the middle of hole 17's fairway can easily be rerouted so that bikes will be easily seen. NOW ALL of these changes are not going in anytime really soon. The bike president said the next time they got a backhoe that he would make these changes. Even if a completely different design was set up and used and became our permenant layout OUR AREA IS EFFECTIVELY MUCH BIGGER WITH THESE CHANGES THAT THE BIKE CLUB IS WILLING TO INSTALL!!!!!

The course that we have been playing will be altered without cutting and after walking through it today it can easily be installed by just moving flags and buckets. I will have it functional and playable by this Sunday so that we can play some dubs at 11:30. NONE OF THIS WILL BE PERMANENT!!!!!! I set this meeting so that any mountain biking toes that were being stepped on can be relieved. A couple holes will get easier because it is the simplest solution. I am talking about a no impact solution to letting golf continue safely at Camp Sekani.

[Parks]

I think its funny that several people said that no one can infer the feelings and motivations of private course owners, and then go on to infer feelings and motivations for Jeff and Jeremy in those very same posts.

Please look at yourself before pointing the finger at others. Petty squabbling doesn't help anything.

[Simmeltron]

Originally Posted by Yoduh

I fully admit that I have been guilty of reacting. If you go back and read the posts on this forum I was never picking on anyone trying to start anything. I will try to watch my tone as I'd like some peace in our club soon. Our meetings have been nasty and draining. Not something that is sustainable or enjoyable. The last few posts I have made, have already addressed this issue somewhat. I'm not going to bicker about what people "think I have done" or am doing. I have done nothing that would jeprodize this course, nor would I.

Thanks for the update Yoduh. I think we are certainly on the right track to continuing to make the best possible result at Sekani and do what is best for the club overall.

Originally Posted by Parks

Please look at yourself before pointing the finger at others. Petty squabbling doesn't help anything.

Good point and no it does not.

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by Simmeltron

One thing that I have learned in my short 31 years, is that the past is the past. If you want to move forward, you are likely to trip and fall on your face at some point from all that looking back. What has happened, has happened,

Those who don't know and LEARN from the past are destined to repeat it.

[Simmeltron]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

Those who don't know and LEARN from the past are destined to repeat it.

Very true, I do certainly acknowledge the past as yes we will repeat it if we don't realize what we did, right and wrong. But we also can delay progress if we continue to dwell in the past which holds us back from moving forward.

[Yoduh]

Originally Posted by Stimpi

First of all, even though Jeff presented this project to the club as a 105 acre park, (and he got us another 40 acres! Atta Boy!), in reality we have about 50 acres or so to design and build on.
Nobody talks about this because of this inane "Land Grab" mentality.

To me that says 18 quality holes, not 36 holes that need mandatories and such to keep everyone safe.
We may, or may not, get to build on the 40 acres of Conservancy land, which would be more holes, but that's not on the table at this time.

I think all you erstwhile course designers ought to get the parameters of our usable area and judge for yourselves.

Downriver is 20 acres. High Bridge is 22 acres.

[Yoduh]

We are more than likely to get the 40 acres of conservatory land. It will take some time for it to be opened to us. Knowing and planning for this makes a lot of sense. 12-14 holes can be designed on the upper area. When the 40 acres or another chunk of land is released we can finish out and have two 18 hole courses. We could also use the land for a tournament by setting up temporary holes. Still having two 18 hole courses for mondo sized, fun camping, good flowing, disc golf tournaments.

[General Scales]

The politics at play are frightening on all accounts.

[coryreu]

Originally Posted by tomw

My comments regarding private course owners was copy/pasted from skypilots post, And i followed that with" This has not ever been addresed by Gordy". (This appears to only have been noticed by Coryreu, thx CD) The past is proof that GC's Fourmound reserve has taken front seat to a few good intention-ed spokane public course improvements that were suggested and then burried when he is at its helm as its director. This is not a secret, but it is wrapped in secrecy=downriver dgc redesign Go ahead and ask him yourself, this is only imho

Firstly, this issue of "conflict of interest" is slightly rhetorical. I believe that this whole thing was drummed up by someone to seemingly invent a concern. Probably and unnecessarily giving people reasons to vent. Then more importantly, diverting them from real issues
Secondly, I need to point out that you did copy and paste Jeff's words, then follow up with your own, saying "This has never been addressed by Gordy." But before that, you initially followed up with "you believe that Jeff's comments are completely true."
Addressing the issue by Gordy seems to be of great concern to you. So, I might suggest that, if willing, you ask Gordy. Maybe then the subject can be put to rest. If you do, let me know the results of your inquiries. I'm curious to see how Gordy confronts such certainties from true believers.

[Dadio!]

I love the idea of a monster tough course and a medium course on this property. Sorry I haven't checked in for a bit, will help as I can when home.

How hard are current layouts to follow so we can check them out?

[Yoduh]

The bottom course is really easy to follow. The upper is a little tough right now, mostly because we are going through it again and coming up with something different, or at least altered. There are two teepads right above the main parking lot. The one that starts off parallel to upriver drive is the tee for the lower course. Follow the pink ribbons from bucket to next tee. The upper has home depot flags leading from bucket to tee. Pink flags mark the direction of the fairway.

[Dadio!]

Thanks, look forward to checking it out when I'm back in a couple of weeks! :-)