Originally Posted by Parks
I actually thought the meeting went about as good as anyone could have hoped. I did feel that the same questions were repeated a bunch only slightly rephrased, and that there was a bit of shouting, but I thought it was going to be a lot worse.
Jeremy, I was glad you showed up to refute the cutting accusations.
As usual, Sean and Tim decided to be the voices of reason, and I was glad they showed up as well.
Lyle was that meeting fun? Did you know that the bartender would not come and serve us because "she was afraid!?" Another group of patrons was "Waiting for the fight to happen!" Did you notice anybody getting ganged up on? What about not letting speakers finish questions, because somebody else blurted out another question, while the original question was being answered? Questions being asked the exact same way, several times is a clear cut case of either disrespect and not listening, OR too much ALCOHOL! I would hope that members with disagreements or not, would listen and respect one another. Everybody at that meeting deserves respect for what they have done in our community. For paying their $20.. For taking their time to show up. Everybody at a meeting should follow some very basic principals of meetings. We may need to add these to our charter.
1. We should listen to one another to find out whats happened.
2. Add what we think.
3. Make plans and motions and move on from there.
I ask any one of you at that meeting to express to me how you would feel if you were badgered by a large group of people. A group that is not listening to your answers and doing whatever they can to piss you off and disrespect you???? I think that once again alchohol has played a huge role in drama at an SDGA club meeting. For some reason or another people think a meeting is a great place to drink. They can't seem to help but drink. It's really no wonder why the same questions were asked repeatedly.... I of course am drawing conclusions, but my experience has taught me that people that drink can easily resort to a mob mentality. Which is probably why we scared the all of the people
in the same building as us.
For this reason I ask that the SDGA adopt a club meeting rule, that keeps all members attending a meeting, from drinking while at the meeting, or from being noticeably drunk.. I feel like if you can't meet for a couple hours without booze for a constructive club meeting, than maybe you should go to another type of meeting. A tasty micro is a great way to relax and enjoy time among friends, and a shot of whiskey helps too.
There is a time and a place! If I am heated about something, DRINKING is the LAST THING I need to do!! That is a pretty good rule for humans. It takes an emotional situation, and turns into an explosive situation.
Not the kind of positive atmosphere we should create in our community, or to the viewers of our community. I know that the people that were in that bar that were not a part of our situation were shocked! We really put a bad taste in peoples mouth's that knew nothing about us, well they do now!
I take this sport serious, and as I've heard Gordy say "it's also serious fun!" Our meetings that happen 4 times a year are serious! We as club members have a very small window to figure out things and to get down to brass tax. Booze is not ever used effectively in these sort of situations.. I know that when I drink my mouth gets a little wider and my ears don't listen quite as well. Anybody that's been sober around people that are drinking know what I am talking about. If you were at that meeting and don't know how much more difficult it is to handle stressful situations while intoxicated, I think it's called denial..
I am guilty of the same thing at this meeting. I wasn't allowed into the meeting because my id expired and I hadn't realized it. So I left with a friend who came to join the club who couldn't come in for the same reason. It was his birthday though. SO we went down the road and I got us a pitcher. We split the pitcher and I was texted that the meeting was getting very nasty, and that I needed to really come and explain what has been happening on my end. When I got there I listened to the speakers until the chopping blade was pointed at me. I explained that I had followed the rules and that we as an association were in good standing with all of the entity's we work with. A very similar question was put at me again and yet again. At this point of time I lost my cool and I know the whole bar heard me. I apologize for this. Ordinarily I would not have yelled, but it was really hard not to when your answers are being discarded by people with preconceived notions of what they think has happened. I also wouldn't have been so fired up without that half of pitcher. I also wouldn't have had that if I would have stayed at the meeting.
The most important thing about this club is that we learn how to work together and create a positive association with our communities and with ourselves. This bickering is quite wearing and it's not fun. We had a no alcohol rule in place a year back or so, and our meetings were more corrigible. We have to learn from our mistakes and evolve, or keep rolling around in this nastiness
I also want to say thanks to Sean Johnson for his level voice.. I do not know you very well but the things I have heard you say and have read are as close to dead center as you could possibly be in our crazy group of disc golfers. If there is ever a "Moderator" position I think you would make for a very wise choice. I heard a member say, that even if they could tell you felt a certain way about an issue, you were still very interested in giving the other side a fair shake. Thanks again.. I am looking forward to working and seeing things improve for disc golfers here in Spokane!