Will Board vote to reject $6,000.00 in Grant money?

[LJ Jubner]

wood ground wet frozen heat and use will all speed up the decomposition.

I do like the alternative you offered.

[jshrack]

Originally Posted by Burge

Pressure treated wood that is rated for 'ground contact' will last a heck of a lot longer than 2 seasons. The work that was done on the trail from #4 to #5 at Downriver was done with PT G/C lumber... and that was 3 or 4 years ago...hasn't fallen apart yet.

The real issue is that it will definitely be much more than R/R ties. What about stone? Basalt? I've built a few retaining walls with basalt and crushed stone. Granted, not as easy to work with as lumber, but the results are far more durable and blend better with the environment. More to the point; there are plenty of places around Spokane to score truckloads of free basalt. Really. My favorite spot is on the side of the road in between Sunset Hwy and Wheelabrator.

Where is the majority of the 'erosion control' work needed? I would imagine the stairs leading down from #15 ...maybe establishing a stepped trail down from the #18 tee? Either one could be accomplished with a combination of basalt and PT timbers if level steps are desired; still reducing cost. The city has mountains of 3/4"minus (like the truckload they provided for the parking lot at Downriver), surely we could talk them out of another truckload for Highbridge.

Sorry if this idea has already been thrown around the table and kicked off...just trying to offer a working alternative.

[Wobbly Bob]

On Oct. 18 the Board met with Bressler. Besides being given the go ahead for Camp Sekani we were also told that RR Ties were unacceptable to use at Highbridge Park because of toxic runoff. He stated that the landings at Highbridge would have to constructed like the landings at the scenic view overlook across Latah Creek up in Brown's Addition. Gordy went and checked this area out and I was told that the Brown's Addition Overlook was built with PT 4X6,s filled with gravel. We are setting up a meeting with Bressler to see if we can get 4X6's from the Parks Dept.

We will not be allowed to build straight runs of stairs, but rather runs of platforms going up the hills.

[Wobbly Bob]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

So when the grant was submitted where there actual ideas or just asking for the cash?

The Lumber is for erosion control issues right?

Well wood will last exactly two sesons for this purpose and then will need to be replaced. Is there some metal application that would do the job? I realize it's more expensive and therefore the project will need to be scaled back but it's still feasible.


Can the P/R offer any other ideas concerning erosion control. Plants would be best but they won't last long enough to grow.

The grant specified RR Ties. PT wood in contact with the ground will last a lot longer in Spokane than in the Seattle area. Much less moisture here.

[Wobbly Bob]

Originally Posted by Burge

Pressure treated wood that is rated for 'ground contact' will last a heck of a lot longer than 2 seasons. The work that was done on the trail from #4 to #5 at Downriver was done with PT G/C lumber... and that was 3 or 4 years ago...hasn't fallen apart yet.

The real issue is that it will definitely be much more than R/R ties. What about stone? Basalt? I've built a few retaining walls with basalt and crushed stone. Granted, not as easy to work with as lumber, but the results are far more durable and blend better with the environment. More to the point; there are plenty of places around Spokane to score truckloads of free basalt. Really. My favorite spot is on the side of the road in between Sunset Hwy and Wheelabrator.

Where is the majority of the 'erosion control' work needed? I would imagine the stairs leading down from #15 ...maybe establishing a stepped trail down from the #18 tee? Either one could be accomplished with a combination of basalt and PT timbers if level steps are desired; still reducing cost. The city has mountains of 3/4"minus (like the truckload they provided for the parking lot at Downriver), surely we could talk them out of another truckload for Highbridge.

Sorry if this idea has already been thrown around the table and kicked off...just trying to offer a working alternative.

I believe that the spots that were intended to receive accessibility trails were;

• from #2's tee to #2's basket
• from #3's basket to #4's tee
• from #6's tee to #6's fairway
• from #7's basket to #8's tee
• from #9's tee to #9's basket
• from #14's basket to #15's tee
• from #15's tee to #15's fairway
• from #18's tee to #18's basket

We must get away from thinking of stairs (stairs built in parks must have handrails) when we build these accessibility trails and start thinking about ramp type trails with platforms. While basalt was not mentioned in the grant I don't see why it couldn't be incorporated into the design, especially along ramp type trails.

[Gordy #21004]

The grant as written includes a big truckload of gravel for which $3oo is allocated. If Park OPS will give us a truckload it will definitely save us some money. G.

[LJ Jubner]

Lets all agree
Just because Justin *ONLY wrote it does not mean he has quit on it. He just knows what strengths he brings to the table and one thing is for sure we have plenty of other labor to motivate. They just need a cause

Any wood materials projects are short term solutions.

That this is an instance that can be used in DG behalf. By changing materials for good reasons why shouldn't we press for a more permanent solution. Calling it "the next step's" in committing to permanently keep DG in Spokane parks.

Ask your agent how best to approach this (Like can they protect the funds pending resubmission). before you go to the parks.

Was the grant for materials only (free labor). would donated materials sweeten the deal?

A good idea for the club to show some financial philanthropy
Ask if the materials can be switched verbally? by addendum? or resubmission?
If not because of grant paperwork (now this will sound weird but)

ask what happens to the grant money if it goes unused?
ask how to return grant money?

Both these would be followed up with the stipulation that it will be resubmitted and show the change in materials was why the grant execution has been delayed or exceeded time limit

here is a dumb question; If they had actually read the proposal would the people approving the grants know the RR ties were going to fail?

possible solution when submitting proposals in the future word the materials part like "best application" or "environmentally sound" would be the key words to include if not both.

* If ANYONE ELSE posses these types of skills please don't keep them a secret
AND PLEASE DON'T PISS OFF THE ONES WHO DO.(STUCK SHIFT KEY)

[jshrack]

Thankfully, the Grant was submitted with a very ambiguous materials list.

The main costs associated with the project were the REBAR and the RR ties. Both of these materials were tentatively submitted with the knowledge that Bressler would have final say based upon cost, environmental concerns, and specific application.

As a result, the grant will not need to be re-submitted.
The final project plans will need to be approved by Bressler before anything is started though.
These final plans should include: a design, materials, volunteer hours associated, donated materials, positive community impact, etc.

We were given a ONE YEAR completion period from when our grant was approved. Any funds that are not used within that year they are forfeit. Thankfully, the Parks Foundation has given us an avenue to ask for a possible extension.

[psychodwarf]

here is a dumb question; If they had actually read the proposal would the people approving the grants know the RR ties were going to fail?

its not a qusetion of the RR ties FAILING its that they are not good for the ground or the water underground. RRties are soaked in oil and even the RR companys are removing them because EPA has told them to replace them .

Any wood materials projects are short term solutions.

jub .. you really need to come down and look and some wood materialsthat have lasted a while besides having a wood product also helps the ground its buried in .