Will Board vote to reject $6,000.00 in Grant money?

[coryreu]

Originally Posted by BakederThinU

I hate to say it but I don't see it Happening I truley hope that I'm Proven Wrong.

It'll happen.

[tomw]

""It'll happen."" Is this a shovel ready project!!
A new coarse in Spokane(valley) would be awesome, imo

[jshrack]

With all the time and effort our 'club' has recently put into Sekani, why haven't we seen any move forward with our $5000 grant at High Bridge?

Jeff stated that he, Jon, and Jeremy have put in hundreds of hours between them... we could have finished High Bridge by now and we could be applying for a brand new Camp Sekani Grant.

Instead, members of our Club Board decided that approved and planned projects come second to their own personal accomplishments. I don't see High Bridge ever getting done so long as we have a board who pigeon holes it's plans with every new development.

The club has received multiple thousands of dollars but doesn't have the organizational leadership to put it to use.
With the Board circumventing club decisions, undermining club appointed committees, alienating its members, stockpiling cash reserves without any accounting or accountability, and refusing to hold regular meetings... we need a new and reliable way to keep up our courses.

[jshrack]

Originally Posted by jshrack

With all the time and effort our 'club' has recently put into Sekani, why haven't we seen any move forward with our $5000 grant at High Bridge?

Jeff stated that he, Jon, and Jeremy have put in hundreds of hours between them... we could have finished High Bridge by now and we could be applying for a brand new Camp Sekani Grant.

Instead, members of our Club Board decided that approved and planned projects come second to their own personal accomplishments. I don't see High Bridge ever getting done so long as we have a board who pigeon holes it's plans with every new development.

The club has received multiple thousands of dollars but doesn't have the organizational leadership to put it to use.
With the Board circumventing club decisions, undermining club appointed committees, alienating its members, stockpiling cash reserves without any accounting or accountability, and refusing to hold regular meetings... we need a new and reliable way to keep up our courses.

I see a problem but no solution in my post... sorry for that.

Possible Solution: Assign a groundskeeper to each of the sites or courses.

Rather than the Facilities coordinator being responsible for everything in 3 very different settings, one person could help develop each course in a different way.
This would provide an opening to make the three courses into completely different golf experiences.
It would also make sure that the addition and development of Sekani doesn't leave Downriver and High Bridge lacking attention over the next year.

You already have an AM and a PRO working on Sekani... with the possible addition of Tom Schott that site could really turn into something special.
Let PRO/AM teams submit annual course development plans to the Board, vote on the best concept and assign a team to each course, they could be responsible for a variety of tasks. They could also report directly to their fellow golfers to find special skills, assimilate ideas, get input, plan work parties, etc.

[Gordy #21004]

Justin, You can always start with what you have control over. Giving us an accounting of the various weeklies since April would be a good way to go. Also when you find the time could you settle up with the Club about the $1000 we fronted you to start up the Global. I'm sure with your intention to use the start up funds to create benefits for the players and to add to the Club's merchandise inventory that anytime would be a good time to clear the ledger.
I would be happy to discuss any of your questions with you and share any knowledge I have about them with you.
Your Friend and Treasurer, Gordy

[jshrack]

Sounds like some people prefer dodging the issue addressed in this thread...

[psychodwarf]

well justin you and jeff wrote the grant .. wheres jeff now ? oh thats right HE WALKED AWAY from it just like most things he starts .. why dont you ask JEFF CRUM WHY we are not working on high bridge .. oh thats right he dont care no more about high bridge OR the SDGA ... IT IS ALL ABOUT JEFF...and yes justin WHERE is the money from the global throwdown or are you going dodge THE ISSUE AS WELL ?

[coryreu]

Originally Posted by jshrack

stockpiling cash reserves without any accounting or accountability,

In regards to the Global Throwdown, it seems that some action on your own part should be taken before you should talk any further about the club's accountability or use of it's funds.

[jshrack]

First of all, I wrote the grant with Jon, Jeff, and Derrin... with most of that help coming from Jon.

Second point, Jon was supposed to take on the project once the grant was approved, a major reason for letting him develop the project schedule.

Third note, since the project was officially in the Boards hands, I am asking ALL the members of the board to comment upon this issue, since they are alll involved in the decision, not just Jeff.

Lastly, I am asking Joe not to respond to this thread anymore since he is not apprised of the details in either of the situations he has so rudely commented upon.

Side Bar:
As for the money that Gordy announced was 'donated' to the Global Tourney... I am not really sure what any of the details are. I was not involved in the process of asking the club for this money. I made a very succinct proposal to the board and my proposal was shot down by Gordy and Jaymie before the board approved or denied it (circumventing the charter.) They changed the wording on my proposal and I told them I wasn't soliciting input or alterations; they continued to reword my proposal so I walked out of the meeting.

As a result, I have gotten 4 different stories (from 3 different board members) about what the expectations are for paying back the funds. Until I see the written proposal with specific terms for paying back the funds I will not subject myself to your accusations. Especially since I was not involved in nor did I agree to any of the terms discussed. Once I receive a copy of those terms I will be in much better place to answer your questions in the appropriate setting.

[coryreu]

Originally Posted by jshrack

Side Bar:
As for the money that Gordy announced was 'donated' to the Global Tourney... I am not really sure what any of the details are. I was not involved in the process of asking the club for this money. I made a very succinct proposal to the board and my proposal was shot down by Gordy and Jaymie before the board approved or denied it (circumventing the charter.) They changed the wording on my proposal and I told them I wasn't soliciting input or alterations; they continued to reword my proposal so I walked out of the meeting.

It seems that you got the ball rolling with your proposal, was unwilling to accept a deviation in it's course, and when it didn't go the direction you saw it rolling, you dropped the ball and left it with others to handle it for you. Why would you ever walk out on such a significant issue. The least you could have done after stating you were unwilling to accept any alterations, was take the proposal with you when you walked out the door.

[psychodwarf]

Lastly, I am asking Joe not to respond to this thread anymore since he is not apprised of the details in either of the situations he has so rudely commented upon

i can AND will respond to this AND any thread AS A PAID MEMBER of the SDGA i am wondering if YOU were thinking of the CLUB or just yourself when you made the proposal to the CLUB to run this event?

[psychodwarf]

AS FOR THE RUDE COMMENTS .... justin ... why dont you start with NOT putting down the SDGA or the board members because things dont go your way ...

[psychodwarf]

By the way justin .. I was there at the meeting when you asked the club for the money for the tourney .. and your secound post on the 5th has a lot of good points but the president of our club doesnt think he needs to have club members input or advice from board members .. its HIS way or noway.. our president DONT even stay and help on work parties or help put on tourneys. He does a lot of things in the "name of discgolf" just to make him self look better then the rest .. i find it very childish our pres thinks he had to go behind the board`s back and tell everyone HE was the one who made camp sekani happen. When he had gone down 2 MONTHS earlier to PP and TOOK out the baskets himself i thought he was just going to make them better or we were going in with baskets i think it was jeff`s thinking "well i dont play PP so i am going to take the buckets and make a new course " i dont think our current president cares one way or the other about our club ..and justin did you sign a written proposal or did you just TAKE the money and RUN ?

[tomw]

Wow nearly 2012 allready. This thread (SDGA)continues to accelerate with the SAME VIGOR it has had for it seems like forever, 6-7 yrs or longer. I have seen ,read,from the boarder line(Idaho) many discussions that, IMO should have been private. Many well intentioned players, (some maybe not so well intentioned) have moved on, quit, resigned, in frustration over issue's in your mini disc golf mecca.
Whats next ???

[jshrack]

I would like to re-direct the thread back to the posted topic...
You all have my number if you want to reach me.

So... any other ideas about how we can keep Sekani rolling in the right direction while still using the $5,000 High Bridge Grant AND maintaining Downriver?

We have amazing people doing amazing work. How can we gain more public support and involvement while focusing that work in a positive and constructive manner?

I put forth two ideas and got diatribes in return, would anyone like to move forward with some ideas or input?

[Wobbly Bob]

Justin, just to keep you up to date. The Spokane Park's Dept. representative told the SDGA Board just two weeks ago that we may not use railroad ties for the project at Highbridge. The reason stated was toxic runoff from the RR ties. We will have to use pressure treated 4X6's in place of the RR ties. This is going to increase the cost of the project substantially. We are looking into finding the best deal on PT 4X6's to try and keep the costs within the amount that we were granted.

[jshrack]

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

Justin, just to keep you up to date. The Spokane Park's Dept. representative told the SDGA Board just two weeks ago that we may not use railroad ties for the project at Highbridge. The reason stated was toxic runoff from the RR ties. We will have to use pressure treated 4X6's in place of the RR ties. This is going to increase the cost of the project substantially. We are looking into finding the best deal on PT 4X6's to try and keep the costs within the amount that we were granted.

Odd since Bressler was ok with it... but oh well, that is a good thing to consider.

I don't think the lumber needs to be that big, RR ties were just the least expensive concept we considered and the size worked.
With the limitations on what work CAN be done, 2x4's, 4x4's, and other smaller pieces of lumber would probably do the job fine...
Anyway, it seems like this is a MINOR setback since no supplies have been purchased nor plans drawn.

[LJ Jubner]

So when the grant was submitted where there actual ideas or just asking for the cash?

The Lumber is for erosion control issues right?

Well wood will last exactly two sesons for this purpose and then will need to be replaced. Is there some metal application that would do the job? I realize it's more expensive and therefore the project will need to be scaled back but it's still feasible.


Can the P/R offer any other ideas concerning erosion control. Plants would be best but they won't last long enough to grow.

[coryreu]

Originally Posted by jshrack

no supplies have been purchased nor plans drawn.

Go buy a grands worth of rebar.

[Burge]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

Well wood will last exactly two sesons for this purpose and then will need to be replaced.

Pressure treated wood that is rated for 'ground contact' will last a heck of a lot longer than 2 seasons. The work that was done on the trail from #4 to #5 at Downriver was done with PT G/C lumber... and that was 3 or 4 years ago...hasn't fallen apart yet.

The real issue is that it will definitely be much more than R/R ties. What about stone? Basalt? I've built a few retaining walls with basalt and crushed stone. Granted, not as easy to work with as lumber, but the results are far more durable and blend better with the environment. More to the point; there are plenty of places around Spokane to score truckloads of free basalt. Really. My favorite spot is on the side of the road in between Sunset Hwy and Wheelabrator.

Where is the majority of the 'erosion control' work needed? I would imagine the stairs leading down from #15 ...maybe establishing a stepped trail down from the #18 tee? Either one could be accomplished with a combination of basalt and PT timbers if level steps are desired; still reducing cost. The city has mountains of 3/4"minus (like the truckload they provided for the parking lot at Downriver), surely we could talk them out of another truckload for Highbridge.

Sorry if this idea has already been thrown around the table and kicked off...just trying to offer a working alternative.