Tdg 2011-12 - Page 3 - OR Team Disc Golf

jdinteg · #41 July 21st, 2011, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

I am loathe to add any more weeks than we already have to the schedule, but we could eliminate the duplications in the schedule, and maybe even the Prelims if enough TDG players have actual ratings (either current PDGA members or played PDGA events this year or played last year). I would love to add Stubb to the mix but it is still a pretty rough course and would take a while to get around the course twice so we would need to use that course early or late.

Here's another whack at it:

Week 1 – Saturday/Sunday October 8th/9th: Sorosis Park– 9a
Week 2 - Saturday/Sunday October 22nd/23rd: Trojan Park - 9a
Week 3 - Saturday/Sunday November 5th/6th: N Bonneville – 8x
Week 4 - Saturday/Sunday November 19th/20th: Horning’s Canyon Course – 8x
Week 5 - Saturday/Sunday December 3rd/4th: Pier Park – 8a
Week 6 - Saturday/Sunday December 10th/11th: Dabney State Park – 8a
Week 7 - Saturday/Sunday December 31st/1st: Timber Park – 8x
Week 8 - Saturday/Sunday January 14th/15th: Adair County Park– 8x
Playoffs R1 - Saturday/Sunday January 28th/29th: McIver State Park – 9a
Playoffs R2 - Saturday/Sunday February 11th/12th: McIver State Park – 9a
Championships - Saturday/Sunday February 25th/26th: McIver State Park – 9a

Sure wish we could include Stubb Stewart, what an amazing and difficult course. Great course layout and flow too.

Sausage Fingers · #42 July 21st, 2011, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jdinteg

Sure wish we could include Stubb Stewart, what an amazing and difficult course. Great course layout and flow too.

It is purely a time based decision. It is too hard to get everybody through that course twice in limited daylight. Add in the fact that it could be snowed in very easily and it makes for a bad combo.

I like the mix of courses that we have now.

emmarose · #43 July 22nd, 2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

It is purely a time based decision. It is too hard to get everybody through that course twice in limited daylight. Add in the fact that it could be snowed in very easily and it makes for a bad combo.

I like the mix of courses that we have now.

that drive on that section of hwys 26 and 47 can be very very sketchy in the wintertime and they don't always plow that park road up to the hilltop day use area... besides it just being a trek to get threw the course...

smobro · #44 July 22nd, 2011, 10:12 PM

How many players should a team have ideally? Is there room for new teams?

jdinteg · #45 July 22nd, 2011, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

It is purely a time based decision. It is too hard to get everybody through that course twice in limited daylight. Add in the fact that it could be snowed in very easily and it makes for a bad combo.

I like the mix of courses that we have now.

Makes sense, I cannot disagree with your logic. I'm just a big fan of Stubb.

TreeLove · #46 July 23rd, 2011, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by smobro

How many players should a team have ideally? Is there room for new teams?

Teams must have 7 players each, no more, no less (one alternate is allowed for a one-time permanent member replacement). Participation is first come, first served, until the league is full. Returning teams have precedence. THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL TDG POST, I am not a TDG official, though I play one on TV.

jdinteg · #47 July 23rd, 2011, 10:52 PM

Jordan,
After playing today with some great players, and me. I can see even the good ones have to hunt for plastic every other hole at Stubb. I really like this course, but I retract my suggestion for Stubb in TDG. In addition I would like to state "You were right, and I was wrong" for the record. We would never get out of there with a full TDG group on Sat/Sun. Someday it may be cleared out enough though? Now only if Blue Lake could speed up the pace we could put that in the mix. Maybe 2015 season?

Sausage Fingers · #48 July 24th, 2011, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jdinteg

Jordan,
After playing today with some great players, and me. I can see even the good ones have to hunt for plastic every other hole at Stubb. I really like this course, but I retract my suggestion for Stubb in TDG. In addition I would like to state "You were right, and I was wrong" for the record. We would never get out of there with a full TDG group on Sat/Sun. Someday it may be cleared out enough though? Now only if Blue Lake could speed up the pace we could put that in the mix. Maybe 2015 season?

Once again, if it is longer/harder than Milo, no matter how much fun it is to play casually, it probably won't work for TDG. Even though we do draw some of the 1000 rated players, the players in TDG span the gamut of skill levels. So I try to not keep it limited to just long and/or hard courses. I am sure that Blue Lake will be a great course to play, but at some point the difficulty, when you add in winter weather, will be too much to get all players around the course twice in limited daylight. Even if they put in shorter tees all that does is make people complain that "we went all the way to that course and didn't get to play the Pro tees..."

jdinteg · #49 July 24th, 2011, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

Once again, if it is longer/harder than Milo, no matter how much fun it is to play casually, it probably won't work for TDG. Even though we do draw some of the 1000 rated players, the players in TDG span the gamut of skill levels. So I try to not keep it limited to just long and/or hard courses. I am sure that Blue Lake will be a great course to play, but at some point the difficulty, when you add in winter weather, will be too much to get all players around the course twice in limited daylight. Even if they put in shorter tees all that does is make people complain that "we went all the way to that course and didn't get to play the Pro tees..."

I was joking.

Sausage Fingers · #50 July 25th, 2011, 10:36 AM

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I was joking.

This site has those little emoticons you can use to let us know that you are blowing smoke my ass...

You managed to use one in your last post just fine. Try to mix one in the next time you are yanking my chain please.

UPDATE:
I have heard people this last weekend that are not in favor of the NCAA type tournament finish format. We may have to hash the finals format out at the captains meeting.

jdinteg · #51 July 25th, 2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

This site has those little emoticons you can use to let us know that you are blowing smoke my ass...

You managed to use one in your last post just fine. Try to mix one in the next time you are yanking my chain please.

UPDATE:
I have heard people this last weekend that are not in favor of the NCAA type tournament finish format. We may have to hash the finals format out at the owners meeting.

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NWDiscer · #52 July 25th, 2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

UPDATE:
I have heard people this last weekend that are not in favor of the NCAA type tournament finish format. We may have to hash the finals format out at the owners meeting.

i am leaning towards the bracket type of finish, as it would at least give some teams a reason to come out....besides the reason of just hukkin plastic,quaffers,food,adult bev's with friends

Sausage Fingers · #53 July 25th, 2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by NWDiscer

i am leaning towards the bracket type of finish, as it would at least give some teams a reason to come out....besides the reason of just hukkin plastic,quaffers,food,adult bev's with friends

And using the bracket system would mean fewer teams would have to play late into the season and only the top two teams would have to play back to back days on the final weekend. Of course as many or as few teams could still come out and play...

But there are some big downsides to this format.

TreeLove · #54 July 25th, 2011, 03:47 PM

Care to mention any of them (downsides of bracket format)?

Sausage Fingers · #55 July 25th, 2011, 03:59 PM

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Care to mention any of them (downsides of bracket format)?

Well let's see...if all I needed to do was make the top 8 teams in my division (day) to make the bracket tournament then I could have my players win a couple matches and then bag the hell out their ratings for the rest of the season so that when the bracket matches came around they could kick some serious arse.

Especially if you could manage to get the 8th seed. You would then match up against the team with the best finish in the division, and the correspondingly higher ratings for all of their players.

Now I am not saying anyone would do this, but with the final chance at winning the whole league riding NOT on the regular season, but only on the the last three weekends of play there could be some shenanigans...just sayin'

I believe that the NCAA type playoff works only when the play is straight up and not handicapped. But I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

But if this hadn't occurred to anyone else, maybe I just screwed the pooch by letting the cat out of the bag and damn if I can't work a third cliche into this sentence...

TreeLove · #56 July 25th, 2011, 04:08 PM

How about this idea: a player's TDG rating can never go down. Once established, if rounds shot are below rating, they are thrown out of the rating calculation. Too extreme?

Sausage Fingers · #57 July 25th, 2011, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TreeLove

How about this idea: a player's TDG rating can never go down. Once established, if rounds shot are below rating, they are thrown out of the rating calculation. Too extreme?

You want to come up with the formula that accomplishes this feat of magic rating calculation?

If so then we could certainly throw that out there for the captains to decide...

TreeLove · #58 July 25th, 2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

You want to come up with the formula that accomplishes this feat of magic rating calculation?

Yes!

Bullseye · #59 July 25th, 2011, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

You want to come up with the formula that accomplishes this feat of magic rating calculation?

If so then we could certainly throw that out there for the captains to decide...

Here is one way to eliminate bagging. A players rating will go UP as normal. However, you can set a limit of... lets say 10 points for this example... on the lowest rating a person can get in relation to their current rating. For instance I am currently rated 966. If I tank a round, regardless of how poorly I play, the very lowest rated round I could score is 966-10=956. It would take quite a few weeks to drop your rating to a point where sandbagging would even be worthwhile.

jdinteg · #60 July 25th, 2011, 09:53 PM

Wise Elders:
How common is the sandbagging problem? I did not meet anyone guilty of it last season. Was there big money involved or some spectacular prize that was worth cheating to get? Will there be this year? I look forward to beating my past rating, learning from the experts, and maybe whooping on some players that schooled me last season. Not sure how sucking it up all season just to win the finals is much of an accomplishment when no money is on the line?