Painting the benchs @ drownriver

[psychodwarf]

WILL THE BOARD PLEASE ANSWER THIER E-MAIL ABOUT PAINTING THE BENCHS @ DOWNRIVER .. i dont know about the board BUT alot of us players LIKE playing at downriver but are not real happy about the graffiti on the benchs i have been asked(by a painter if we could do this was told BY A BOARD member we need to vote on this ) to paint them but have not heard back from the board in a week.....

[Whippetbrown]

Obviously it's not a hot topic with the speedy reply your getting, if painting benches needs a vote to cover up graffiti then you might just hurry up and wait. I don't know why covering up graffiti would need a vote? Its a no briainer, just paint it. I think most of the people on the board don't play enough @ Downriver to have the graffiti bother them, but with the sport being so popular in the summer and all the families down there, I would paint them and then take the wrath of the club. I think painting them is a good idea, the graffiti gets painted over @ Highbridge without votes. If not we could just sit down there and play connect the cuss words on the benches while we wait for a vote. PAINT THE BENCHES, PAINT THE BENCHES.

[Burge]

Hey look! Someone painted the benches!(at least the one on #16) Black...nice.

At first, I thought, "WTF...Black?", but I think it's a good idea -- can't sharpie up a black bench, plus, if someone marks it up with a light-colored paint marker, then the rest of us course-respecting players can just cover it up right away. I mean, everyone's got a black sharpie in their bag, right?

BTW: It is so ridiculous that it would take a vote of the board, who never meets during tourney season, just to paint a flippin' bench

...it's beyond asinine....it's asitwelve

[General Scales]

Yeah, I think that those sort of decisions should be just handled. It would make the SDGA look really petty if they went off on a tangent of anger about the benches being painted. Plus, black will be a good way to keep people from sitting in them in the hot weather. I'm not going to burn my ass

[psychodwarf]

the reason the benchs are black (thats a brownstone brown ) is the painter that said he would do this had to leave town for two weeks so I painted the benchs !! and the reason that HIGH BRIDGE benchs gets painted is our DEAR CLUB PRES plays there ALOT and HE dont care what happens to DOWNRIVER because he dont play there so he dont care what happens over there..

BTW .. SPEAKING to the board ... what are YOU going to do with MOUNDS of tree branchs you took from the hillside and pilied them up to be a BIG BONFIRE ? i hope you dont expect ME or the other club members to clean up YOUR mess you made ?

[Sky Pilot]

I am very pleased that you take such notice of things at Downriver. And work so hard to take care of it.
The problem isn't that I don't care about Downriver, it's that I probably cared too much and was disappointed too many times.
I first began to become discouraged with Downriver when the redesign didn't happen in 09'.
In addition, I also didn't particularly like the direction of hole #2's tee pad. It was pointed directly at #17's basket. When the Board toured the course to discuss changes mandated by the City a while back we talked about tee pad placement for #2. When I saw the work on the pad I was impressed and grateful that they did a fine job - just disappointed about the alignment of it. I also was disappointed when I recently saw the state of the Tee Signs at that course. They have suffered a great deal of damage since I refinished them in 2010.
Downriver is a great area with wonderful potential, I just think that we need to start over and do it up right.
It was also discouraging to me that I stated in no uncertain terms that hole #8 was the best example of a violation of the city's rules concerning breaking down the bank when people retrieve their discs from the waters edge. Unfortunately, nothing has been done about this. Bressler (the City Park Operations Manager) and I will be touring Downriver soon to apprise him of the changes. If I was a liar I could steer him away from #8 and tell him we changed it, but that's not my style.
Personally I think Downriver needs an upgrade. I'd like to see the club seriously consider a true re-design. Since we like to nit-pick so much about that course, perhaps we could just pay a real course designer to do it. Then when the criticisms come (and indeed they will) we could refer the grumblers to the designer.
On another note: In case anyone sensible want to know. the benches at High Bridge have been painted recently. We lapsed into a really practical mode in a moment of sheer inspiration and just decided to use the same color on the tee signs and the benches for ease of maintenance. Besides, we still have quite a bit of the same color available.
Just because someone has ninety gallons of free paint doesn't mean that we should repaint the Convention Center.
Thanks for your dedication to Downriver, Joe, and yes I do care.

Sky Pilot

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by Sky Pilot

...The problem isn't that I don't care about Downriver, it's that I probably cared too much and was disappointed too many times.
Sky Pilot

Disappointment is part of the game and it's politics. As someone who has been battered and bruised by the many disappointments It's better to just move on and rely the ones who can and do make it happen not the blowhards or the jubbies come latelies.

Originally Posted by Sky Pilot

I first began to become discouraged with Downriver when the redesign didn't happen in 09'.
In addition, I also didn't particularly like the direction of hole #2's tee pad. It was pointed directly at #17's basket. When the Board toured the course to discuss changes mandated by the City a while back we talked about tee pad placement for #2. When I saw the work on the pad I was impressed and grateful that they did a fine job - just disappointed about the alignment of it. I also was disappointed when I recently saw the state of the Tee Signs at that course. They have suffered a great deal of damage since I refinished them in 2010.

Sky Pilot

Did you honestly beleive "once was going to be enough" and "pleased" after the fact? Silly Rabbit

Originally Posted by Sky Pilot

...Downriver is a great area with wonderful potential, I just think that we need to start over and do it up right.
It was also discouraging to me that I stated in no uncertain terms that hole #8 was the best example of a violation of the city's rules concerning breaking down the bank when people retrieve their discs from the waters edge. Unfortunately, nothing has been done about this. Bressler (the City Park Operations Manager) and I will be touring Downriver soon to apprise him of the changes. If I was a liar I could steer him away from #8 and tell him we changed it, but that's not my style.

Sky Pilot

This brings up two different problems
First: Why are you alone meeting with the P/R guy?

Seems pretty needy to me and almost a veiled threat Personally speaking that is

Second maybe your not a liar but entering into agreements on the clubs behalf without club support is just asking for disaster. IE Payment for clinics

A better way might be to ask for the P/R guidelines in writing then present them as fact not hear say.

Originally Posted by Sky Pilot

Personally I think Downriver needs an upgrade. I'd like to see the club seriously consider a true re-design. Since we like to nit-pick so much about that course, perhaps we could just pay a real course designer to do it. Then when the criticisms come (and indeed they will) we could refer the grumblers to the designer.

Sky Pilot

Central Lesson of recent LCO course changes

Want to hear bitching
Tell the tournament players the course will NOT be what they have always played her so their once "tuned bag" is now worthless.

Blood, Sweat and Tears?
It seems you realized the easiest of the three. You should try the other two on for size!

[psychodwarf]

Originally Posted by Sky Pilot

I am very pleased that you take such notice of things at Downriver. And work so hard to take care of it.
The problem isn't that I don't care about Downriver, it's that I probably cared too much and was disappointed too many times.
I first began to become discouraged with Downriver when the redesign didn't happen in 09'.
In addition, I also didn't particularly like the direction of hole #2's tee pad. It was pointed directly at #17's basket. When the Board toured the course to discuss changes mandated by the City a while back we talked about tee pad placement for #2. When I saw the work on the pad I was impressed and grateful that they did a fine job - just disappointed about the alignment of it. I also was disappointed when I recently saw the state of the Tee Signs at that course. They have suffered a great deal of damage since I refinished them in 2010.
Downriver is a great area with wonderful potential, I just think that we need to start over and do it up right.
It was also discouraging to me that I stated in no uncertain terms that hole #8 was the best example of a violation of the city's rules concerning breaking down the bank when people retrieve their discs from the waters edge. Unfortunately, nothing has been done about this. Bressler (the City Park Operations Manager) and I will be touring Downriver soon to apprise him of the changes. If I was a liar I could steer him away from #8 and tell him we changed it, but that's not my style.
Personally I think Downriver needs an upgrade. I'd like to see the club seriously consider a true re-design. Since we like to nit-pick so much about that course, perhaps we could just pay a real course designer to do it. Then when the criticisms come (and indeed they will) we could refer the grumblers to the designer.
On another note: In case anyone sensible want to know. the benches at High Bridge have been painted recently. We lapsed into a really practical mode in a moment of sheer inspiration and just decided to use the same color on the tee signs and the benches for ease of maintenance. Besides, we still have quite a bit of the same color available.
Just because someone has ninety gallons of free paint doesn't mean that we should repaint the Convention Center.
Thanks for your dedication to Downriver, Joe, and yes I do care.

Sky Pilot

Jeff thank you for noticing the work that has been done down there and when you walk thru there again with Bressler be real proud of the course thats down there OH AND MAKE SURE YOU TELL HIM THAT YOU PERSONALY HAVE DONE NOTHING SINCE THE LAST TIME YOU 2 WALKED THRU.. also tell him that I WAS working on saving a hillside from being eroded away BUT because I WAS THE ONLY ONE getting it done AND using what was around on the course because thats all I had with to work, BUT NO YOU and the board didnt like it, so I was yelled at to stop doing any and all unauthorized work at the course NOW there is a HILLSIDE rapidly eroding away AGAIN, AND some REALLY HUGE PILES OF BONFIRE WOOD all thanks to THE BOARD.
oh and nice of you to VOTE on painting the benchs @ HB.

Just because someone has ninety gallons of free paint doesn't mean that we should repaint the Convention Center.

IM NOT painting the convention center, I have heard more then ONE player complain about all the graffiti on the benches, that it was UGLY and OFFENSIVE!! I had a painter who plays the sport volenter his time and the paint to cover it up.
WHEN are YOU going to put the sponsered holes NEW tee signs up, or was all that just for HB ?? OH and THANKS for just SPENDING the clubs money on stuff CLUB MEMBERS would have gladly done for the SPORT OF DISCGOLF...OH BTW.. DO YOU KNOW I BUY ALL THE GLO STICKS FOR MY NITE GOLF TOURNEY & THE GARBAGE BAGS FOR THE COURSE... DOES THE CLUB HELP FOR ANY OF THESE THINGS ? NOOO . AND YET I STILL PAY THE CLUB TO HOLD A GLO NITE ... THANKS JEFF !

I first began to become discouraged with Downriver when the redesign didn't happen in 09'.

as for this YOU weren`t even a player that came down there a lot before 09.. And most of the changes that have been made was the result of you walking through the course with Bressler, You TOLD the club what needed to be done and then walked away ..

As a PRES of a club Jeff YOU disappoint the members .. as for me I am unstable AND everyone knows this because I am down there at the course DEFENDING the club.. yet I have only seen you down there ONCE for a glo nite AND once during the day.. AND JEFF THIS WAS A NICE INSULT COMING FROM the pres

In case anyone sensible want to know

So I guess you are saying I have no sense ? Hmmm makes me kinda wonder WHAT else you call the club members behind their back.

Thanks for your dedication to Downriver, Joe, and yes I do care.

For someone who says they care YOU SURE DONT SHOW IT!! OR YOU WOULD BE AS DEDICATED TO DOWNRIVER AS I AM!! instead of spending all your time at highbridge and letting downriver just go by the way side!!

[mazza]

HA HA!!!!!

[Sky Pilot]

Originally Posted by mazza

HA HA!!!!!

Ha Ha What?

As I have said before - if High Bridge gets done, Downriver is likely to be next on the list.
Your starting to scare me Joe. You claim to know EVERYTHING about my schedule. Are you stalking me? You also seem to apparently know everything I'm thinking as well. Have you replaced the ALMIGHTY?

Take care of yourself.

Jeff

[psychodwarf]

Originally Posted by Sky Pilot

Ha Ha What?

As I have said before - if High Bridge gets done, Downriver is likely to be next on the list.
Your starting to scare me Joe. You claim to know EVERYTHING about my schedule. Are you stalking me? You also seem to apparently know everything I'm thinking as well. Have you replaced the ALMIGHTY?

Take care of yourself.

Jeff

i dont need to stalk you jeff .. its easy .. you dont do much at all.. still waiting on NEW tee signs for downriver for the sponsers that have paid to have them ...

[Sky Pilot]

Originally Posted by psychodwarf

i dont need to stalk you jeff .. its easy .. you dont do much at all.. still waiting on NEW tee signs for downriver for the sponsers that have paid to have them ...

Joe, don't make yourself look silly. You have NO IDEA what I do most of the time.

We're waiting on the changes at Downriver to solidify. Why make a sign to have the information change the next week. Decisions need to be made concerning the recent alternates. Are they going to stay or go. Will there be more alternates once Jon's group meets to discuss this?
These questions need to be addressed prior to formalizing a sign with a route, distance and mandos etc.

Sky Pilot

[Whippetbrown]

Good point about the sponsored tee signs, when do they get recognition? do they get a year when the signs go up or when the check hit the bank? Because I know we found a sponsor for downriver that handed $ over for a hole sponsorship and that was quite a while back. I'm sure there business could use some more business but its really none of my business. Peace....

[Sky Pilot]

Originally Posted by Whippetbrown

Good point about the sponsored tee signs, when do they get recognition? do they get a year when the signs go up or when the check hit the bank? Because I know we found a sponsor for downriver that handed $ over for a hole sponsorship and that was quite a while back. I'm sure there business could use some more business but its really none of my business. Peace....

...As you know my salary isn't very high for Disc Golf work. I just finished building the Kiosk roofs with other volunteers. There are other issues in the mix as well nearly all the time. If you would just increase my pay Joe, well then we could talk.
As for the Tee Signs at Downriver - basically I sold the advertising with a few exceptions. That in it's self is a great deal of work. There are 2 remaining signs which will (hopefully) be traded for printing etc.
The Sponsorship agreement which every sponsor signs clearly states that the year begins once the signs are posted. For example all the sponsorships for High Bridge will be through with their year this coming February.
In addition, the money gathered for the sponsorships is non-refundable. The sponsors knew this when they signed the form.
We have every intention of having professionally designed signs (as stated in the contract) up as soon as possible. However, some of the issues delaying this are out of my hands.

Sky Pilot

[Gordy #21004]

What I hear most often about the new signs is that the actual hole information should be bolder and that the illustration for the hole should be oriented vertically. I like the brighter colors of the new signs at HB and think the new ones at DR could be less somber as well.
After the Country Cup Bob will be inviting creative input from Clubbers, updating the hole and alt data (with Jon's help), getting the Sponsors and logos together and producing some new signs.
See you at the Cup Gordy

[Yoduh]

The club did vote to re design Downriver. The board decided it knew more than the club and here we sit in the same crap we have been in for years. Sounds like Jeff's behind the club's vote but a few of the board members aren't clued in. Par for the course

[Timber]

Originally Posted by Yoduh

The club did vote to re design Downriver.

All I know is that I personally play disc golf for fun.

Downriver as it is now = no fun.

I wish it could be redesigned so Spokane would have more than one viable public course option.

[Yoduh]

Originally Posted by Timber

All I know is that I personally play disc golf for fun.

Downriver as it is now = no fun.

I wish it could be redesigned so Spokane would have more than one viable public course option.

The club voted it for a reason. I'm glad somebody else can see that reason. The leadership of the club has a major conflict of interest. I can tell you that if I had my own pay to play private course. I wouldn't want the courses nearby to be all that great... Just kidding but can you see the logic. There is a fellow up in Canada who has done the exact same thing. All the while pretending to be proactive about "getting things done".
I wish the old course could have stayed as it were. If the old course met the new course it would laugh it it's face.. time for a facelift. Check your egos at the door please

[Dadio!]

I would happily plunk down money to join the club, vote for the DR redesign, and help with the work to make it happen. When are meetings? Have had a hard time finding out.

[Wobbly Bob]

Our next meeting is on July 12, 2011 at the 5 Mile Pizza Parlor. Or you can come out to 4 Mound and sign up today. Our membership secretary will be out there today. If you get there by 2:30 you can watch the final 10 playoff.

Here is where you find out about upcoming meetings.

Map to 4 Mound is attached below.