Originally Posted by LJ Jubner
As course designers now The MC Boys can design and set par to whatever level they want. I will show up, pay, play and whine about how poorly I played not about how par is all screwed up.
"Par has been missed"
thats a good one maybe if you threw farther or putted better or maybe just...
There is a huge difference between tournament stroke play and handicapped stroke play. The real problem is the stupid rating debate. By using a handicap
- you are already trying to level the field artificially
- to make your series more attractive competition wise
- not skill driven like it should be.
I find it interesting that at any Ball golf course you just show up, pay and play. NO mention of what my par should or should not be. Want to have some fun
Go into any Golf Pro shop and tell them par at their course is too low for your game. Know what they would say to you? Maybe some lessons or the pitch and putt around the corner is better suited for your skills.
- In Ball golf the average player is 18 over
- 80% of all ball golfers will never ever break par
- Realistic goals most want to just break 80
In DG we whine about par. Raise the par at the Tac and you will see a 1200 rated round.
Like Dan said "my personal best is my goal" If it's better than par great if not thats great too. It's still my personal best.
I'm not sure I even know where to start... or if it's even worth it, but as I am snowed in today why not.
First of all the little barb about us MC boy whining. I don't remember saying anything about my play or our performance because this issues has nothing to do with that. I take pride in stepping back from my skill level (sub 900) to look at these thing objectively. I use the math and methods provided by the PDGA to determine the relative strengths and weakness of individual holes and courses. I do not rely on my gut or my score (because i'm terrible). I assure you as a "designer" (I use that term loosely) we did not set par, we created it. We modified our holes till they hit our desired average strokes based on 1000 rated player (our at least tried our best).
As far as handicapping goes, it had zero bearing on the SSA calculations for the event. Handicapping only helps to determine the winner between to players it's does not affect their ability to play (although we may tie one of Crabtrees arms behind his back).
Your ball golf points are a little off. The pars in ball golf are created by a professional designer who crafts the course so that Pro golfers from Blue tee pad score an average that meets the par. Many ball golf course have different pars on the same hole (usually from the womans tees).
You are right ball golfer don't whine about par because the sport is mature enough after all these years that things like par are UNIFORM between courses. A par 4 on this course is equivalent to a par 4 on that course. Not, "Well on our course we call it a par 3" I wonder though if there was a golf course that had a 600 yard par three would player complain? I will have to always wonder because holes like that don't exist, at least not on PGA level courses.
Why even bring ball golf into this as it really speaks more to my points than yours. They use math and science to create balance courses and OMG what is the first question two golfer ask each other when they meet? What is your handicap? As a group they are way more plugged into that stuff than we are.
From a competitive stand point if we want to be taken seriously things like using "par" as word that means the same thing regardless of what course you happen to be standing on at the moment is essential. If we are talking about just going and have fun.... well we wouldn't be having this conversation right now, we'd be golfing.
What if we replaced the word "par" with "SSA" would it make this conversation easier to follow? They are after all the same thing. (please look it up before contesting this point) The SSA at SeaTac is always above 54 by 2-3 even 4 strokes. If I did the math I'm sure 4 of those holes out there have SSAs between 3.7 and 4.3 or higher. Making the SSA on 4 of the holes at SeaTac SSA 4 (rounded to nearest whole number). These are FACTS objective based on reality facts to dispute them is to seem a crazy person.