not that I like tall grass but the ruggedness is what I like about hagg, it's just around the corner from the in-laws, you don't see sunday family golfers or too many begginers, or for that too many people at all, I liked the old layout, changing two was just not right, flow yeah, clean a little more fairway yeah, add another course somewhere yeah, boots, jeans, beer, that's hagg at it's best
