Originally Posted by Bluedisc
Hey Flash--this sparked a question or two that I thought I had answers for, but now I'm not so sure.
1. When someone is throwing out of a rough area, perhaps from within a bush or densely limbed tree, can the player "follow through" with the disc in hand (before release) if the disc pushes a leaf or limb out of the way during the throwing motion? I've seen people push weeds, berry vines or even branches that are in front of their marker out of the way as they throw and release--is that illegal?
2. Would the above act be more or less legal if it was the players arm, hand or head (!) that makings contact with the attached greenary? Again, assume the tree limb (or whatever) is connected to the ground and or in front of the marker....
Here is how I see that situation,
803.04 Stance, Subsequent to Teeing Off:
D. A player must choose the stance that will result in the least movement of any part of any obstacle that is a permanent or integral part of the course.
803.05 Obstacles and Relief:A
. Obstacles to a Stance or Throwing Motion: With the exception of casual obstacles to a stance as described in 803.05 B, a player is not allowed to move any obstacle on the course. No relief is granted from park equipment (such as signs, trash cans, picnic tables, etc), which is considered part of the course. A player is allowed to request that other people remove themselves and/or their belongings from the player's stance or line of play. A player must choose the stance which results in the least movement of any obstacle. Once a legal stance is taken, the player may not move an obstacle in any way in order to make room for a throwing motion. It is legal for a player's throwing motion to cause incidental movement of an obstacle.
If someone is moving an object purposely during their throwing motion AKA practice motions before they throw I would say its an illegal throw, if contact is incidental when they actually throw the disc then its a legal throw.