Originally Posted by Simmeltron
I must be confused here... so the best way to move these projects forward and gain the respect of the disc golf community is to never cease with the smart alec remarks and jabbing and poking at others? I'm not saying you are the only one guilty at this by any means, Jeremy. But I just would like to know WHEN THIS WILL STOP?? EVER??
I have been a "voiceless" member of the local DG community for some time now. But those days are over for me. From now on I will be a voting member of the SDGA and will be voicing my thoughts, feelings, and opinions POLITELY AND REASONABLY.
I fully agree with you and am just as excited to get Sekani established as soon as possible. But I do feel that because this will be a public course with several groups and agencies involved, this should have been a public project with all decisions and plans going through the proper channels (board, voting members, etc) from day ONE.
I really hope that moving forward we can all be mature about this, look at past mistakes and successes, as appropriate, and move forward with the best attempt at continuing those successes and avoiding those mistakes if at all possible. I am not going to try and change how you or anybody else thinks or feels about disc golf or the community involved with it. But when the need for discussion, planning, and even criticism arises, please make it CONSTRUCTIVE
and not DESTRUCTIVE.
I fully admit that I have been guilty of reacting. If you go back and read the posts on this forum I was never picking on anyone trying to start anything. I will try to watch my tone as I'd like some peace in our club soon. Our meetings have been nasty and draining. Not something that is sustainable or enjoyable. The last few posts I have made, have already addressed this issue somewhat. I'm not going to bicker about what people "think I have done" or am doing. I have done nothing that would jeprodize this course, nor would I.
As far as this whole event's timeline is concerned. I have been accused of keeping this whole thing a secret. I found out 2 days before I left town for a week that we could be getting a walk through of what a layout would look like at Camp Sekani. I spent 2 days helping Jeff set something up (Not counting the 300+ hours I have spent up there designing holes for fun) I was asked by Jeff to help him arrange things so that the parks department could see what a course might look like on this land. When I got back Wednesday night I was excited to go help finish setting things up to show the parks. We had 2 more days to get it set up. We pushed the pin placements out as wide as we could going over trails and such. The club had known that we were going to have a fundraiser the evening that I left, as posted by Bob on November 3rd. As far as I knew the club finding out about the project actually going through was 2 days behind me knowing it might be happening. What I knew was that it might be going through and that they wanted to see what it would look like. Two days later they were given the full green light.
The pins that were well into the bike area were moved before anybody had even played the layout. So as far as putting bikers in danger to accrue land it was done without anybody actually playing it. Now what the bikers said was ok and what Mike Aho said would be ok, has turned out to have some issues. So I met with the bike president yesterday to hear all of his concerns and to make things as smooth and as good as possible. In our meeting he said that there are several trails that he could easily divert in order to give US as much area as possible. In exchange he wanted two serious issues addressed. Which I did immediately. The areas that he would divert traffic around would give us at least 2 more acres. and 2 new sweet holes! Hole 7's green would no longer have a trail through it. The big concern was hole 5 and that hole has been moved to a much shorter position to keep discs away from the green gate, we can install a long pin position that could be placed at a tournament. The area below the rocks will be completely opened up to disc golf with all those jumps being destroyed and the bridge up in the gully being removed completely. The traffic that flows out in the middle of hole 17's fairway can easily be rerouted so that bikes will be easily seen. NOW ALL of these changes are not going in anytime really soon. The bike president said the next time they got a backhoe that he would make these changes. Even if a completely different design was set up and used and became our permenant layout OUR AREA IS EFFECTIVELY MUCH BIGGER WITH THESE CHANGES THAT THE BIKE CLUB IS WILLING TO INSTALL!!!!!
The course that we have been playing will be altered without cutting and after walking through it today it can easily be installed by just moving flags and buckets. I will have it functional and playable by this Sunday so that we can play some dubs at 11:30. NONE OF THIS WILL BE PERMANENT!!!!!! I set this meeting so that any mountain biking toes that were being stepped on can be relieved. A couple holes will get easier because it is the simplest solution. I am talking about a no impact solution to letting golf continue safely at Camp Sekani.