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  • #16
    I think we need more reasons for ams to move up... not less

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    • #17
      Never the twain shall meet

      Our INWS is a series that offers both amateur and pro divisions. In our series the tourny directors agree to deduct $3 per player to go towards the Qualifiers purses. All fees collected from any division get allocated back to the same division. Over time all the events have attained sanctioned status, but through our entire history Am Finalists have received schwag and pros have received cash. To do otherwise is contrary to the Pro/Am format. Should we also give the Ams their player pak in cash? Really! Gordy.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Gordy #21004 View Post
        Our INWS is a series that offers both amateur and pro divisions. In our series the tourny directors agree to deduct $3 per player to go towards the Qualifiers purses. All fees collected from any division get allocated back to the same division. Over time all the events have attained sanctioned status, but through our entire history Am Finalists have received schwag and pros have received cash. To do otherwise is contrary to the Pro/Am format. Should we also give the Ams their player pak in cash? Really! Gordy.
        Would you give pros a players pack in cash? No, you would not. I donít think anyone expects any players pack to contain cash. If you run your series as PROs get cash and AMs get stuff, then thatís how you run it. I feel that, as a director of a non-sanctioned ancillary contest (ace pot or series) you should be able to award everyone cash, if you choose, regardless of player status. The US dollar is "legal tender for all debts, public and private," and accepted in the US and other parts of the world. Scrip keeps the money local and is not a bad alternative to cash especially for the AMs. The thing with scrip is you need a place to spend it. Hopefully in each town where the series was held has a place to spend said scrip or to has an online store. Schwag (a.k.a. Stuff) is nice, but keep for the player's packs and CTPs. You could also run it trophy only (but in all reality who wants that).
        Last edited by Uhlman; October 22nd, 2010, 05:08 AM.
        Throw What You Know.
        "Gravity, she's a harsh mistress." -The Tick
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        • #19
          While the US dollar is legal tender, accepting cash makes the participation commercial and defines you as professional in your field.

          Back to the point though:
          The series is not a side pot if you are forced to pay into it.
          Nor should the series be considered ancillary if participation in said event mandates paying into that series.
          Last edited by jshrack; October 22nd, 2010, 02:32 PM.
          When a ball dreams, it dreams it's a Frisbee.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by jshrack View Post
            While the US dollar is legal tender, accepting cash makes the participation commercial and defines you as professional in your field.

            Back to the point though:
            The series is not a side pot if you are forced to pay into it.
            Nor should the series be considered ancillary if participation in said event mandates paying into that series.
            What I guess I am saying is scrip is a form of money but accepting it does not make one professional because "it's not really currency." If I win the lottery or hit a jack pot in a casino does that make me a professional gambler?
            I really think it should be up to the series coordinator to determine how they payout the winnings.
            I agree with you, if I am not playing in said series why should I have to support it?
            Throw What You Know.
            "Gravity, she's a harsh mistress." -The Tick
            PDGA# 45989

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            • #21
              I agree with you, if I am not playing in said series why should I have to support it?
              IMO, if your playing in a series event you are supporting the series, pay the series fee.
              If you play enough events to qualify for and play the series finals, that small fee has now become your "Bonus/added cash".
              ""What would happen if a player refused to allow said series deduction to be taken from his/her entry fee. As a TD then would you have the balls to not allow someone to enter becasue they balked at the series fees being deducted"". YES! If you dont agree with the fee charged( damn that Nike shirt is too expensive for me) dont buy the product. Next paying customer please!
              TW

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              • #22
                I agree with paying into the series, my point is that it is NOT ancillary as presented.
                As a result, the payments from that series should not include cash for AMs.
                When a ball dreams, it dreams it's a Frisbee.

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