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  • jshrack
    started a topic Downriver: more and more disappointing with every change.

    Downriver: more and more disappointing with every change.

    I am amazed at the decisions that a couple individuals have taken upon making for the club. Who the hell gave Joe any authority and why the F&#% is he making decisions about our course layout? This is the same guy who makes illegal bonfires in the park and camps on the course... and he is making decisions on behalf of the club?!?

    I guess the SDGA doesn't hold meetings during the tourney season... I don't really understand why... that is a whole different can of worms.

    As a result though, I would like to make a public motion that ALL COURSE CHANGES are put on hold until they can be presented and discussed at the next SDGA meeting. This will give club members a chance to actually have input on the changes... currently we have 3-5 individuals making decisions on their own behest. The same people who decided to install a new Facilities Coordinator without club input... hmm...

    Last meeting, the Board insisted on having motions set in writing before they could be discussed and voted upon... I would like to see the minutes where these course changes were presented to the board, set in writing, and voted upon with a full quorum. If the changes were made without doing so, you are creating two very separate and hypocritical sets of standards.

    Sets a pretty clear division between the Board and the club.

  • Whippetbrown
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    Its been a while since I been on here, looks to be the same type of stuff going on in the forum, sorta comical always good for a laugh. Have fun I'm going to throw.

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  • cefire
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    Originally posted by jshrack View Post
    Sweet!
    I am glad you got Bressler to look over the changes!

    I will also quit bitching and adopt your 'who cares who gets mad' approach... sounds like this is officially the Board perspective!
    New motto: If it makes the course better...


    Now, you called me out for not expressing myself in person... insulted ME and questioned my integrity... yet you heard every word I had to say. Odd...
    Sounds to me like y'all got a new board member for next term!

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  • Wobbly Bob
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    Originally posted by organic View Post
    That's funny cause that's never been played that way in any tournament I've ever played!
    You are correct and I miss spoke earlier concerning out of bounds there.

    At present it is not OB, but it will be OB at the LCO this year.

    The area in question may be under consideration for OB status due to the erosion that takes place every time someone throws down there.

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    That's funny cause that's never been played that way in any tournament I've ever played!

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  • LJ Jubner
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    Originally posted by LJ Jubner View Post
    Nice post Younger!
    You seem to have a firm grip on the subject. The cause/effect of poor or inconsistent communications and the clubs opportunity for growth.

    One positive thing I can say about the club is: members are given many opportunities to participate
    but
    fail to recognize that deadlines are the most critical part of the process, there is no half credit for missing the deadline.

    I would like to suggest (as a club member) a general meeting is called for sometime in late June early July. This meeting would be a winter pre-planner. I mean ideas would be floated/discussed and then vetted for consideration at the winter meeting.

    Action: If club member has an interest with any club issues they should submit a two or three paragraph note for the Summer meeting's agenda. Then the board can round up all the ideas sort them by perceived need and allot time accordingly for there discussion.

    Problem: Suggestions and attendance are both critical!

    Want to know why things are the way they are?

    It's because by default/member apathy the same 4-8 members are the only ones participating throughout the process.

    jub
    additional thought

    By publishing the agenda as well as who suggested them Like minders could intern combine all their efforts into one presentation. Saving both time and frustration

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  • LJ Jubner
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    Nice post Younger!
    You seem to have a firm grip on the subject. The cause/effect of poor or inconsistent communications and the clubs opportunity for growth.

    One positive thing I can say about the club is: members are given many opportunities to participate
    but
    fail to recognize that deadlines are the most critical part of the process, there is no half credit for missing the deadline.

    I would like to suggest (as a club member) a general meeting is called for sometime in late June early July. This meeting would be a winter pre-planner. I mean ideas would be floated/discussed and then vetted for consideration at the winter meeting.

    Action: If club member has an interest with any club issues they should submit a two or three paragraph note for the Summer meeting's agenda. Then the board can round up all the ideas sort them by perceived need and allot time accordingly for there discussion.

    Problem: Suggestions and attendance are both critical!

    Want to know why things are the way they are?

    It's because by default/member apathy the same 4-8 members are the only ones participating throughout the process.

    jub
    Last edited by LJ Jubner; May 12th, 2011, 08:03 AM. Reason: damn it spelling

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  • Wobbly Bob
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    Originally posted by organic View Post
    Downriver is beginning to be a joke! I wonder who put all those trees and branches on the bank of hole 8? I threw my disc down there today and was lucky to not come out with a twisted or broken ankle! Safety should be the first concern!
    Did you take a penalty stroke for throwing over the edge. That area is out of bounds.

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  • General Scales
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    Originally posted by organic View Post
    Downriver is beginning to be a joke! I wonder who put all those trees and branches on the bank of hole 8? I threw my disc down there today and was lucky to not come out with a twisted or broken ankle! Safety should be the first concern!
    I would also agree with that. Although those tree's and branches saved a terrible skip into the water yesterday. I for one, just hope that everyone decides to get along and make Downriver great again. As it is, all this bickering between club members on a public, online forum is terrible. What a way to make people look at us Spokanites in a less than pleasant way.

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  • Sky Pilot
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    To whomever it may concern,

    Unauthorized work at Downriver needs to stop. This includes branch or rock piling, cutting trees, painting asphalt and the like. At Taylor's request, golfers should not be contacting him - No one outside of the Board except Justin Shrack has been asked to talk to him - and that was only about the Grant from the Park Foundation.

    The SDGA Board working under the City Parks Operation Manager is the structure we operate under. I've had a very fruitful relationship with Taylor and have been the primary contact person and will continue to do that until further notice. If anyone wants to know what has been fruitful about that they can call me and we'll talk.

    Sky Pilot

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    Downriver is beginning to be a joke! I wonder who put all those trees and branches on the bank of hole 8? I threw my disc down there today and was lucky to not come out with a twisted or broken ankle! Safety should be the first concern!

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  • Lyounger
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    Round and Round (moved again)

    I guess I really don't understand what all the confusion and fuss is about here...

    This is my recollection:

    Several years ago the SDGA was responding to evergrowing safety concerns due to the crossing fairways. In addition, the city expressed concerns about erosion and path beat down.

    The overwhelming opinion of the club at that time was a complete redesign. However, we were towards the end of the season and didn't want to make major changes without getting as much input as possible.

    Some (immediate) minor changes were proposed to address the major safety and environmental concerns and a call went out for redesign ideas that could be implemented early the following spring.

    These two agendas got convoluted and confused with one another. A polarity began that I don't believe was founded.

    The board was new and had growing pains. The communication and progress stalled. Members were not keeping up with deadlines for input to either design and felt left out when decisions were made. The whole thing turned into a cluster and the only result was some temporary changes to try to address the safety and erosion issues.

    It's well expressed that these changes have diluted the course and very few are even remotely happy about them.

    Soooooooo....NOW is the perfect time to start gathering input for a total course redesign for DownRiver. The club and Board can set deadlines for proposals in phases so they can be reviewed and narrowed down to the best possible layout to be voted on by the club members and installed early next spring.

    This time those of you who felt so left out will have another opportunity to be heard and be able to vote for the features you like best. You will just have to pay attention to the deadlines for input and the dates for voting on layouts.

    It is very possible to do this in a democratic manner with consideration going to the city's requirements. The club has worked out some of it's communication difficulties and I believe this project could be very successful. We would end up with a challenging course, endorsed by the majority of clubmembers and compliant with the city's requirements.

    Heck, it might even bring the club together in a stronger way with more casual/rec players joining so they could provide input and more mutual respect amongst all the members.

    I definitely will do everything I can to make it to the next SDGA meeting and bring this up as a topic for discussion.

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  • jshrack
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    Sweet!
    I am glad you got Bressler to look over the changes!

    I will also quit bitching and adopt your 'who cares who gets mad' approach... sounds like this is officially the Board perspective!
    New motto: If it makes the course better...


    Now, you called me out for not expressing myself in person... insulted ME and questioned my integrity... yet you heard every word I had to say. Odd...

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  • psychodwarf
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    Anyway, I will probably lend a hand at the work party, assuming all permanent projects have been approved by Bressler.
    Speaking on that justin Bressler and I will be walking DR sometime this week and so far the talk Bressler and I had today he was QUITE happy with what has been going on at DR but he MADE a suggestion that "we just move the holes that have problems and if we make some club members mad so what" ..THOSE WERE HIS WORDS .. i told him to come down and walk the course and then HE can decide if what I have done is wrong.As for the this comment
    Although, this whole discussion leads me to wonder how you heard my comments in person yet Joe did not...
    i had nothing bad to say to you then nor do i now .. i heard your comments i just choose to be an adult and not respond to such a childish act .

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  • jshrack
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    Good points and well taken.
    I have been avoiding DR due to the changes... it frustrates me to play that course anymore.
    I do pick up any garbage I see, but no I do not collect cans like Joe. I have expressed this appreciation.

    Although, I really don't see the association between these two comments:
    I don't have a right to ask for club input unless I pick up Garbage?
    No complaints here, just a poll.

    http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/...ead.php?t=7162

    Anyway, I will probably lend a hand at the work party, assuming all permanent projects have been approved by Bressler.

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