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  • #16
    Originally posted by Dr. Zaius View Post
    i have become fairly trusting with my 150 - 350 ft. Roc approach shots within this last year. i have found that even if i am slightly off line, my roc still generally goes where it needs to, which makes it so valuable and different from drivers (which fade off into never never land).

    My Two Tips:
    "fan grip"- i use for short OR long shots. once the fan grip becomes comfortable, full power drives become more confident.

    "more snap"- = less flutter/greater distance/accuracy. i achieve this by keeping my wrist "locked" on power drives. roc comes out hyzer on the line i want, stands, and travels straight as an arrow to it's destination. Try it!
    Good tips,
    I will try keeping my wrist locked when driving with my ROC, and see if i can get a nice clean snap. I will go to the field across from my house today to do some midrange practicing. Can't wait to put these techniques to use!

    BTW, Dr. Zaius are you Wilbur? I have your Capt. Flippy disc. I will be sending it your way soon with the rest of Matt B's discs. Good to meet you maybe we could play a few rounds sometime if you come to Portland.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Swampthing View Post
      BTW, Dr. Zaius are you Wilbur? I have your Capt. Flippy disc. I will be sending it your way soon with the rest of Matt B's discs. Good to meet you maybe we could play a few rounds sometime if you come to Portland.
      that's me! matt b told me that he'll be getting that and another from you guys. thanks a bunch for the retrieval! i'll most definitely be up that way come spring. not to mention for maybe one slosh series, the bsf and rose city...
      May the wind be in your favor...

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Swampthing View Post
        Hey guys,
        I am relatively new to the sport, less than a yr playing.
        Welcome Swampthing! Good questions and some helpful advice. A good thread to read. Thanks for posting!

        But I just can't get over my massive case of avatar envy.
        Hath this whole world been mired in madness?
        Remain ye men of faculty complete,
        Of full arithmetic and prudence fair,
        Attending to our noble bond and contract?
        Or does here stand the last remaining man
        To give a fig for rules and order yet,
        No noble savage, but a stave unbroken
        Who loves the law and bids it no misdeed.
        Iíll not be bent to lawlessness. Mark it nought, if we be men of honour.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Sausage Fingers View Post
          Welcome Swampthing! Good questions and some helpful advice. A good thread to read. Thanks for posting!

          But I just can't get over my massive case of avatar envy.
          Oh thanks. I am not really a comic book enthusiast, but was given the nickname by some friends who have watched me go in and fish out discs at Trojan. Last monday I fished out a bunch of discs and have been busy returning them to their rightful owners. This is a great sport, and I hope to get plugged into the community, and playing with some of you in the near future!

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          • #20
            Brian swimming in Trojan, Swampthing swimming in Trojan...any similarities here? is Swampthing your nicer personality?
            All I want for Christmas is Sharpies and Rit Dye!!!!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Trozzle!!! View Post
              Brian swimming in Trojan, Swampthing swimming in Trojan...any similarities here? is Swampthing your nicer personality?
              I am not Brian. Brian actually was one of the guys who taught me how to play disc golf, and is a friend of mine.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Swampthing View Post
                I am not Brian. Brian actually was one of the guys who taught me how to play disc golf, and is a friend of mine.


                I would not claim me if I were you. I was keeping us seperate, hoping no one would find out. Prejudice runs deep around here.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Brian View Post
                  I would not claim me if I were you. I was keeping us seperate, hoping no one would find out. Prejudice runs deep around here.
                  I disagree. Most everyone here, and in the disc golf world in general, is pretty cool.

                  But you stormed into this forum pretty strongly, like you've been trying to pick a fight. People don't like that, and will fight back.

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                  • #24
                    Mid-range flutter can come from many different technique problems. The two problems that I see most are:

                    1) Ratio of snap (wrist speed) to arm speed being messed up. A lot of people try to throw the disc too hard with their arm, and don't snap the disc off clean at the end of the throw, causing flutter. This happens when someone is trying to "force" power on their throw. Wrist speed has to be greater than arm speed. If the disc is not spinning, it will not want to fly. At that point, the disc turns into a projectile, rather than a flying object with wing, etc.

                    Possible Solution: Relax your wrist (this may seem counter-intuitive, but it's definitely not). Slow down your arm speed. Keep the disc close to your body. Doing these three things will put much more torque on the disc, so after a few attempts you might be flipping the disc over. That is easily resolved with adjusting the angle of release. But the original issue was "flutter". Once you get the flutter out, then start messing around with release angles until your Buzzz, Roc, or whatever flies like you want it to.

                    2) Grip. This is a highly debated issue, mostly because there are many different ways to get the same result. If one grip works for player "A", then he/she will often try to convince player's "B" through "Z" that it's the "correct" grip. Really, any grip that attains the results you need is the right grip, and since our hands are different sizes, and we come from different frisbee backgrounds, it doesn't matter too much. There are a few semi-universal truths, however. For one, the "Power Grip" will usually result in the most power, but many people have serious accuracy issues with this grip. On the other side we have the "Fan Grip", which most people have the most accuracy with, but you will lose a significant amount of power because you can't apply as much torque. Then we have the "Control Grip", which is kind of a middle ground between "Fan" and "Power".

                    Some times, flutter issues with mid-range discs spawn from grip issues. A lot of people assume that they should use the same grip for mid-range shots as they do for drives. Truth is that some people just can't Power Grip a mid-range effectively. For any kind of throw, you have to be able to comfortably stabilize the disc in your hand when you throw, otherwise errors can occur upon release. Often causing flutter (or severe worm-burning, or 90 degree shanks, etc).

                    Finally, I'd like to dispel the myth that anyone can overpower a KC Roc. It's virtually impossible as far as I know. As long as you do everything correctly, a KC Roc should be able to handle just about any amount of power you can muster up.

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                    • #25
                      Thank you for your insight. Your take on gripping discs makes a lot of sense to me. I really need to bring about 3-4 of my midrange discs and just throw in a field, over and over again until I can get the results that I want.

                      I used to use a really wide spread fan style grip with my forefinger on the ridge of the discs, my middle finger across the center, and my ring finger opposite my fore finger on the opposite ridge. This kept the midrange disc pretty tight in my hand, and I could throw it well this way. However after about 3-4 throws i would rip the skin on my middle finger just on the inside below the knuckle, and bleeding would follow. I now have a callous there. Is that common to start a new grip and have to build up a callous in order to use that new grip?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Swampthing View Post
                        Is that common to start a new grip and have to build up a callous in order to use that new grip?
                        Yes. I went through the same thing, as well as many other people. It's just a matter of sticking to it.

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                        • #27
                          Ok, then I'll stick to that grip because it seems to work well aside from the bleeding. I am starting to get a nice callous now.

                          Thanks a bunch everyone for all the cool insight you have provided. I feel like I have the knowledge to go out and do some solid practicing!

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                          • #28
                            don't hesitate to go out and throw 18 solely with your mids/putters either. i just played 18 at dexter all with mids and shot on even (on a fairly easy dexter layout). i've done the same with forehands and i can't tell you how much it has helped both aspects of my game.

                            oh, and for the 500+ footers... roc rollers are your friend.
                            May the wind be in your favor...

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