There are no groups here Jub. This is a debate on several issues, with individuals making different arguments based on their personal beliefs (with no regards as to where they're from or which club they belong to). There are several points that are being debated here:
- Chainbangerz shop is evil and is out to scam all golfers.
It sounds like there's a pretty near consensus here that the shop tries its best to do the right thing for golfers. As with anything that deals with large quantities, sorting through the many many lost discs that are turned in can be daunting. A few will be missed, and this may not necessarily be malicious or intentional. The key part is providing the incentive for golfers to turn in found discs while not trying to 'game' the system, and this is a very difficult line to tread. I've heard of people finding discs and not turning them in or calling people until the shop reinstates the credit system. We should be turning discs in because they don't belong to us, instead of trying to capitalize on other people's loss.
There's also the issue of payouts. This results more from players not understanding the rules that TDs have to follow to run tournaments. The more discussion we have about this the better informed players can be.
The shop itself donates to many of the tournaments, whether for player's packs, CTP prizes, or straight out cash. So it makes it very hard to argue that the shop is 'out to get' the golfers in WA. And yes, the shop is financially separate from the club, despite having many of the same participants. The club has fought not only to keep Seatac on the ground, but also to expand it to 27 holes. The club has also supported the addition of 6 holes at Lakewood after it lost 6 of the upper holes. All of this has been done by running smaller experimental tournaments centered at having fun while fundraising. The club has been extremely grateful to everyone that has participated and supported these events. And these people can now take pride in the fact that they helped save Seattle's premier courses. For people who boycott these tourments, well, they have their own priorities.
- Fundraising issues
Most of the people here have supported fundraising tournaments because we are a grass-roots community that supports our own growth (Yay us!! ). However, the argument that all fundraisers are equal is hard to accept. Spider-Dan, if everyone was like you and can be generous about everything and to all players, then this argument is moot point. But not everyone is able/willing to give their all. And many people who do give back to the community have to prioritize what they can support. For some, it's supporting their friends to play. For others, it's donating to the course, For yet others, it's using disc golf to help the homeless or other charities. And it's a personal choice. Kudos to everyone who do support fundraising tournaments because it's their own personal way of giving back. No matter what they choose to support, at least they gave back. Unlike people who boycott any/all fundraising tournaments because they get nothing out of it.
- What does it mean to "do something for the sport"?
The key argument here is who the beneficiary is. For anything that we golfers do, we can always ask who/what benefits out of this action. A player can practice, play casual games with friends, go to tournaments, etc, and most of the time these actions primarily benefit himself/herself. At least it's very hard to argue how one player's game can benefit the rest of the community.
What actions benefit the rest of the community? It can be as small as carrying your own trash out of the course and not leaving it for someone else to pick up. Or cleaning up the course by picking other's trash. Or POLITELY informing new players the etiquette of disc golf play. Or being the bridge between discgolfers and the larger community. How about participating in work parties? Playing in fundraising tournaments? Running tournaments? All of these things benefit everyone else, including the person doing these actions. THIS is how you do something for the sport. Thankfully, there are always dedicated individuals who do all of these things for everyone else's benefit because if there wasn't, I'd be ashamed to call myself a disc golfer.