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  • sillybizz
    started a topic Disc Golf (Vs.?) And The Gay Community

    Disc Golf (Vs.?) And The Gay Community

    I am a Gay Man and also a long time Disc Golfer but something has been bothering me for quite some time but I've never really spoke about it openly and honestly before and I'm getting older and I've just stopped caring what people think of me or my opinions. () It seems like there is a tension between the two communities, I mean one of the big reasons in the beginning of how they got new courses (and still today but maybe less) was the promise of Disc Golf designers moving the cruisers (Gay Men) out of their parks. I've had 'old school' local players not only tell me this in person but boast about it.

    I look at web pages like the one here and it hurts my soul to see this but I understand their feelings about it and a lot of it I agree with. My Gay friends can't believe it when they find out that I play the sport, it's like I just told them I don't love Lady Gaga or something. Seriously though they think I'm crazy. Now I've never had much issue being a Gay Man in the Disc Golf community other than a couple of people not being able to look me in the eye or telling me they love 'vagina' every four seconds just in case I forget I suppose, nothing I can't handle. Even on our own forums here (which is largely a liberal group if you don't mind me saying) we have homophobic comments such as in this thread

    Now I'm not saying that people should be able to do sexual acts in public but it does seem like Gay Men are over targeted most of the time. I've actually seen more straight couples in our parks 'messing around' more than I've seen Gay Men. At this day in age I believe that everyone should be able to come of the closet and not have to resort to cruising in the parks anymore but again like I said there are just as many straight couples out there doing things and Straight people are never targeted. It does seem like there is still that 'old school' element hanging around and maybe some new conservative anti-Gay sentiment creeping in I don't know.

  • sillybizz
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    Originally posted by cefire View Post
    I think it pops up more often or perhaps is just more salient in our community because many new courses are started with the parks dept. mindset of getting shenanigans (drug deals, hookups, homeless, hoodie-wearers, etc.) out of the park. This often leads to an "us versus them" mindset which pits disc golfers against others in the struggle for a potential new course - seems like a fairly natural progression by which this mindset could extend beyond the installation date. Not saying it is or isn't the case as I only have anecdotal data, but seems very plausible that this would be more likely in our group compared with others.
    Thank you Andrew I'm not always great with words and getting a point across but this is exactly right.

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  • Parks
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    Oh wow, I just skimmed the top portion of that blog post and decided it wasn't worth reading. I didn't even see that part. I thought you were referring to the thread that Silly linked in the original post that had some comments from me, and I was confuzzled.

    "I urge you to examine some of theposts on one of the most commented on forums at discgolfreview.com, "Gays serving open in the military" (http://www.discgolfreview.com/forums...st=o&sk=t&sd=a) The overwhelming support to put our nation's openly gay on the front line may just be disc golf's conspiratorial attempt at a legal form of execution, leaving the dirty work to our enemy combatants. Though many of the disc golfers appear to be following the trend, some feel like Parks, a forum poster on 2/03/10 who wrote, "I don't want some dude watching my ass instead of covering my six. How can you shoot straight with a limp wrist?" What I take from this is that Parks wants a dude to cover his six... This isn't surprising as Park's tag line on every post is, "We're at our best when it's from our hips", hmm. Maybe the gays are rubbing off on some disc golfers after all. (Perhaps Parks would be well served by the note on 4/15/08 regarding FAQ 2006.15 of the PDGA's officials rules, Kneeling on a towel. "One may use a towel or small pad (with a maximum compressed thickness of 1 centimeter) in order to prevent harm/abrasion to the body during competitive play." (http://www.pdga.com/files.documents/RulesQ&A.pdf))"

    I don't think that the person who writes that blog understands that DGR is mostly people joking around and poking fun at serious people. Hence the next person in the thread posting the laughing emoticons.

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  • cefire
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    Originally posted by Parks View Post
    Wat? I'm not sure what you're referencing in regards to me.
    The quote they pulled from DGR from 'Parks' - I made a guess that was probably the same 'Parks' from Spokane, with the same avatar pic etc. - unless you've got a doppelgänger

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  • Parks
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    Originally posted by cefire View Post
    BTW - isn't this one of the very topics that made Parks interwebz famous:
    Wat? I'm not sure what you're referencing in regards to me.

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  • Simmeltron
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    Originally posted by cefire View Post
    Maybe it is more of an East Coast thing, one of my absolute favorite all-time disc golf courses - Iron Hill - was installed for this very reason.

    People's Park seems to be another similar example in Washington, although I am not versed in the history or details of that park...
    People's park WAS.... it kept being vandalized and buckets destroyed/thrown in the river... I wonder by who? It has now been put on the back burner due to other projects taking priority.

    As far as this whole issue goes... I do feel you make some good points silly and I have no problem whatsoever with the GLBT community as a people in general and am against anybody discriminating against them, but I do have major issues with the way they go about "meeting" each other.

    You said you have seen more straight couples messing around than gays in public, well I'm sorry but that just isn't true in Spokane. At least as far as the areas on or around our disc golf courses are concerned.

    High Bridge (and People's Park when it was active) is the prime example. This area has long been known and proven to be a gay meetup spot for "crusiers" as you put it. Well as another has said, this is not something practiced by men and women looking to hook up. I play a lot of evening and night golf at High Bridge. And I can attest that as disc golfers begin to clear out, others quickly move in. The VERY poor road running through High Bridge park has ZERO reason to be driven on other than to access the park. Well people drive that thing nonstop in the evening hours into the night. I can't help but see that it is virtually entirely men driving back and forth back and forth. Huh. I find it quite humorous and sad at the same time. There is no denying that this is a place to look for drugs and/or sex. This is not ok. I am trying to get my family and young niece and nephew involved in this awesome sport and I sadly do not feel comfortable taking them to several of the places I love.

    I personally have been approached by more than one person clearly not looking for a disc golf partner in the evening. So have my friends. Whatever.

    I don't know what point I want to make in the end... but I do feel that if there is actually a higher level of negative talk among disc golfers about the gay community, well as long as they continue to do these types of things in and around our disc golf courses, they are just setting themselves up for that talk. I don't agree with that talk but I also don't agree with what is going on while I am trying to sink a putt.

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  • cefire
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    Maybe it is more of an East Coast thing, one of my absolute favorite all-time disc golf courses - Iron Hill - was installed for this very reason.

    People's Park seems to be another similar example in Washington, although I am not versed in the history or details of that park...

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  • Scott
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    Originally posted by cefire View Post
    I think it pops up more often or perhaps is just more salient in our community because many new courses are started with the parks dept. mindset of getting shenanigans (drug deals, hookups, homeless, hoodie-wearers, etc.) out of the park. This often leads to an "us versus them" mindset which pits disc golfers against others in the struggle for a potential new course - seems like a fairly natural progression by which this mindset could extend beyond the installation date. Not saying it is or isn't the case as I only have anecdotal data, but seems very plausible that this would be more likely in our group compared with others.
    I've seen disc golf used as a selling point for clearing out homelessness and drug use in a park, but never for homosexuality.

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  • Ol' Bob
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    I have probably become an anthrophobe. I fear the way many people think. I just don't understand them.

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  • cefire
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    I think it pops up more often or perhaps is just more salient in our community because many new courses are started with the parks dept. mindset of getting shenanigans (drug deals, hookups, homeless, hoodie-wearers, etc.) out of the park. This often leads to an "us versus them" mindset which pits disc golfers against others in the struggle for a potential new course - seems like a fairly natural progression by which this mindset could extend beyond the installation date. Not saying it is or isn't the case as I only have anecdotal data, but seems very plausible that this would be more likely in our group compared with others.

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  • Scott
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    Maybe I'm just blind to the issue, but is this really a thing? Yes, I'm sure bigotry exists towards GLBT in disc golf just as it does in all other walks of life.

    Are you proposing that there is more bigotry in the disc golf community than in other areas?

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  • Denny
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    Originally posted by sillybizz View Post
    You keep focusing on that like it's all I ever said. I used it as an example that maybe the sport isn't so kind to LGBT people and that they are noticing. I said some of it I do or could agree with. The issue I've brought to light is that there is homophobia in the sport, it has been there since the beginning and continues to this day. I've felt it, other people have felt it. There are many LGBT players who remain in the closet within the sport for fear of discrimination, I know this because I know some of them and some of them have revealed this to me after I started this thread, many thanking me for being vocal about the subject in which no one else is willing to be vocal about.

    You are obviously very ignorant to this problem and likely part of it judging by your posts.
    Look man, you're going to get homophobia pretty much everywhere you go in this world, and that's an unfortunate reality that I hope we evolve out of as a species. People fear what they don't know or understand or they are locked into a pre programed way of thinking that is just ignorant.

    I truly am sorry if you personally have felt any discrimination from the disc golf community ( or anywhere else for that matter) but I have personally found our PNW DG community to be one of the more progressive minded bunch of folks around.

    I focused on that blog because if I am to believe that you read that and it "hurt your soul" it would seem to me that you are very impressionable and slightly detached from reality. Also you tend to make sweeping generalizations and assumptions,
    HOW DARE YOU call me an ignorant homophobe

    You need to find some peace in yourself brother

    Try investing in a sense of humor it may keep you from assuming people like me are homophobic and that the disc golf community are out to get gay people.

    Again 99.9% of people don't care who you stick your dick in, just be yourself.

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  • cefire
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    BTW - isn't this one of the very topics that made Parks interwebz famous:

    http://thegayshangout.blogspot.com/2...-wristers.html

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  • cefire
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    Originally posted by Denny View Post
    Of course there are probably homophobic people in the DG community but SO WHAT that's their problem right?
    I believe the point here is that the problem extends well beyond the border of the bigoted individual...

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  • Mikk
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    Realy it would be great if people were more open minded (duh), there are many things we as the human race could be doing besides picking on those who are different. I just don't understand why, generaly speaking, that people single out other people for dumb reasons. We have all seen and done this, ALL of us and realy it just stinks...
    and i throw pink discs, does this bother you??

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