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    I recently discovered a trend in my game that I think is worth noting. I seem to be throwing less and less molds/unique discs over the course of a tourney and using key discs more and more. Over the last two events (Trojan C Tier and Adair C Tier) I threw only 13 unique discs and 9 different molds. This includes every shot taken on the course (203 shots, 98 from Trojan, 105 from Adair, plus 4 penalty strokes that only effect score, not shots thrown). Here is a listing of what I threw, how many times, and what percent it is.

    TROJAN:

    Tee Shots
    ESP Predator | 25 | 69.4%
    Z Pink Force | 4 | 11.1%
    Reaper | 3 | 8.3%
    ESP Pulse | 2 | 5.6%
    Nebula | 1 | 2.8%
    Drone | 1 | 2.8%

    2nd Shot
    Ringer | 33 | 91.7%
    Drone | 2 | 5.6%
    Pulse | 1 | 2.8%

    3rd Shot
    Ringer | 24 | 100.0%

    4th Shot
    Ringer | 2 | 100.0%

    NON TEE
    Ringer | 59 | 95.2%
    Drone | 2 | 3.2%
    Pulse | 1 | 1.6%

    TOTAL
    RINGER | 59 | 60.2%
    ESP PRED | 25 | 25.5%
    FORCE | 4 | 4.1%
    PULSE | 3 | 3.1%
    REAPER | 3 | 3.1%
    DRONE | 3 | 3.1%
    NEBULA | 1 | 1.0%

    ----------------------------

    ADAIR

    Tee Shots
    ESP Predator | 17 | 47.2%
    Z Drone | 2 | 5.6%
    Pink Z Force | 8 | 22.2%
    ESP Force | 6 | 16.7%
    Green Z Force | 2 | 5.6%
    Z Surge | 1 | 2.8%

    2nd Shot
    Ringer | 20 | 55.6%
    Predator | 6 | 16.7%
    Drone | 7 | 19.4%
    XS | 1 | 2.8%
    Pulse | 1 | 2.8%
    Force | 1 | 2.8%

    3rd Shot
    Ringer | 26 | 96.3%
    Drone | 1 | 3.7%

    4th Shot
    Ringer | 6 | 100.0%

    NON TEE
    Ringer | 52 | 75.4%
    Predator | 6 | 8.7%
    Drone | 8 | 11.6%
    XS | 1 | 1.4%
    Pulse | 1 | 1.4%
    Force | 1 | 1.4%

    TOTAL
    RINGER | 52 | 49.5%
    ESP PRED | 23 | 21.9%
    FORCE | 17 | 16.2%
    DRONE | 10 | 9.5%
    XS | 1 | 1.0%
    PULSE | 1 | 1.0%
    SURGE | 1 | 1.0%

    ----------------------------

    TOTAL

    Tee Shots
    Predator | 42 | 58.3%
    Force | 20 | 27.8%
    Reaper | 3 | 4.2%
    Drone | 3 | 4.2%
    Pulse | 2 | 2.8%
    Nebula | 1 | 1.4%
    Surge | 1 | 1.4%

    2nd Shot
    Ringer | 53 | 73.6%
    Drone | 9 | 12.5%
    Preadator | 7 | 9.7%
    Pulse | 1 | 1.4%
    XS | 1 | 1.4%
    Force | 1 | 1.4%

    3rd Shot
    Ringer | 50 | 98.0%
    Drone | 1 | 2.0%

    4th Shot
    Ringer | 8 | 100.0%

    NON TEE
    Ringer | 111 | 84.7%
    Drone | 10 | 7.6%
    Predator | 7 | 5.3%
    Pulse | 2 | 1.5%
    XS | 1 | 0.8%
    Force | 1 | 0.8%

    TOTAL
    RINGER | 111 | 54.7%
    PREDATOR | 48 | 23.6%
    FORCE | 21 | 10.3%
    DRONE | 13 | 6.4%
    REAPER | 3 | 1.5%
    PULSE | 4 | 2.0%
    NEBULA | 1 | 0.5%
    SURGE | 1 | 0.5%
    XS | 1 | 0.5%

    Interesting to note that I threw 3 discs only once over nearly 200 shots, and two other molds less than five times! I really only used 4 molds (7 discs) for two entire tournaments! CSI is next weekend, from what I hear about the course I'll be needing to throw lots of different shots...we'll see!

    So is that what it means when Pro's say: Keep it Simple?
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  • #2
    Wow! You're dedication to statistics and throw tracking blows my mind. I've definitely gotten a lot out of reducing my total number of molds over the last few years, and in tournaments I tend to find a money driver for the weekend and just stick with it. I generally play 90% of all my shots with one driver, (surge) one fairway driver (XL), one mid (Buzz) and one putter (challenger). Everything else in my bag is for certain specific shots.
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    • #3
      back to basics. throw what you know. keep it simple, stupid.

      those do be my mantras.

      however, to start with, i have way less molds in my bag than most folk who play as much golf as i do... except for my papa bear... the epitomy of zen golfer.

      peace,
      em
      "'There are two mantras.,' Bernard said, 'Yum and yuk. Mine is yum.'"
      Tom Robbins, Still Life With Woodpecker

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      • #4
        Originally posted by frizbeerose View Post
        keep it simple, stupid.
        K.I.S.S these r words to live by

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        • #5
          I keep finding little bits of extra distance on my weakening drives by trying new long drivers (in impossible to find weights), but the short game stuff in by bag is fairly established. Any new disc has to be tried for a reasonable test cycle. Maybe I'm over-thinking this by carrying four types of putters, but each has found its place (BTW, the Ringer has become that fourth one).

          Please, God/Goddess, let there be lightweight Bosses and Katanas in DX soon.
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          • #6
            Thanks Ron, I'm sure that applies to most of us. Funny how many molds we feel we can't live without, regardless of how often (or not) we throw them. I'm going to start paying more attention to this.

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            • #7
              On a typical round at Trojan, this is what I throw:

              32 putts or throws with an XD - 64%
              8 throws with an Eagle - 16%
              5 throws with a Roc - 10%
              4 throws with an Orc - 8%
              1 Throw with a Boss - 2%

              =50 shots total (about my average for the normal Trojan layout)

              I guess that explains why putting practice is so important.

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              • #8
                Here's my rundown of what discs were used on Sunday.

                I learned a lot, like that I can probably take a disc or two out and that a lot of my strokes come from putting.

                I suggest everyone try to do this so they can see what can be changed about their game to make it better
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                • #9
                  I often keep track of my drive choices and mid choices but never thought about putters. I'll go and do a rundown on what I threw @ Highbridge on Sunday and see what the ratios's break down to. It seems that I usually throw one of four molds for drivers. SS Avenger, Force, Nuke or Venom. Gonna be interesting to see how it all breaks down.
                  "Honest work is for the downtrodden and the Polish"
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                  • #10
                    So I threw a 4 over @ Highbridge. Here's what I threw each pad.
                    1.) L.E ESP Venom
                    2.) FLX Drone
                    3.) 1st Run Nuke
                    4.) 1st Run Force
                    5.) 2nd Run ESP Force
                    6.) Z SS Avenger
                    7.) Z SS Avenger
                    8.) Z Buzzz
                    9.) Z Wasp
                    10.) SS Z Avenger
                    11.) Z Buzzz
                    12.) L.E. ESP Venom
                    13.) L.E. ESP Venom.
                    14.) 1st Run Force
                    15.) Z Wasp
                    16.) Z SS Avenger
                    17.) Z Wasp
                    18.) D Ringer and 2 D Focus's

                    So I threw a few different molds but mainly the same ones over and over. 18 doesn't really count since it's a putter toss otherwise I'm way out in the field.

                    All approaches were done with Ringers, Focus's, Buzzes and Wasps. I didn't have any reason besides hole 2 for my Drone and this makes me wonder if I should just be throwing my Wasp at a more radical hyzer angle to make my bag lighter.

                    At Corbin I throw my Drone a lot. Same with Downriver. Probably because of wind.
                    "Honest work is for the downtrodden and the Polish"
                    Cleveland Brown

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by General Scales View Post
                      18 doesn't really count since it's a putter toss otherwise I'm way out in the field.
                      Next time try out the spike hyzer route with a Force or Predator, or a slightly shallower wide hyzer with a Drone or Wasp.

                      You'd be surprised at how much more often you stay on the green than with a putter, not to mention reducing a lot of variables that get you to the green in the first place.
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                      • #12
                        My last round at the Tac

                        #1 DX Roc, XD, XD
                        #2 Champ Boss flick, XD, XD Missed 30 footer
                        #3 Star Destoyer, XD -1
                        #4 Pro Wraith, XD, XD
                        #5 DX Roc, XD -2
                        #6 Star Destroyer, XD, XD
                        #7 Champ Boss flick, XD, XD Ace Run skipped past chains and missed twenty five footer
                        #8 TL, Champ Firebird flick up, XD, XD missed 35 footer -1
                        #9 DX Roc, XD Hit a 70 footer! -2
                        #10 XD, XD, XD missed 20 footer
                        #11 Champion Wraith flick, Champ Boss touch flick up, XD
                        #12 Champ Boss, Champ Firebird, XD
                        #13 Champ Boss flick, XD, XD
                        #14 Pro Wraith, Champ Boss Flick, XD, XD -1
                        #15 Champ Leopard, Champ Firebird flick up, Champ Boss flick up, XD, XD missed 20 footer +1
                        #16 Pro Wraith, Champ Boss Tomahawk, Champ Firebird Flick up, XD +2
                        #17 Pro Wraith, Champ Boss Flick, XD, XD, XD Missed 10 foot putt +4
                        #18 Dx Roc, Champ Boss, XD, XD, XD Missed 15 foot putt +6


                        Good Round For Me Minus the mini blow up the last few holes.

                        60 Throws

                        9 different molds thrown. I could get it down to 7 molds without really changing my approach to the holes any.

                        55% XD-putts+approaches, one drive, too many putts
                        17% Champ Boss-3 flick drives, 1 backhand drive, 6 flick ups
                        7% DX Roc-All Drives, Need to work in some upshots with this disc
                        7% Pro Wraith-All Back hand slight to big turnover drives
                        7% Champ Firebird-All upshots
                        3% Star Destroyer-Could throw the Champ Wraith for both shots (4 drive and 6 Drive)
                        2% Champ TL-Could throw the Pro Wraith or Flick Champ Boss on that Shot (Drive on 8)
                        2% Champ Wraith-Perfect disc for me on that one shot (Anny flick on 11)
                        2% Champ Leopard-Perfect disc for me on that one shot (straight drive on 15)


                        The only thing that really varies too much at this course is my upshots depending on how good or bad my drives are. Definitely my favorite course
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                        • #13
                          Today at Rocklin, played the 4 new tee pads they put on 1,2,4,6... definitely adds a lot of challenge.
                          Teeshots
                          Z Stalker - 2
                          Glow Stalker - 1
                          Champ Valk - 1
                          Star Boss - 5
                          Champ Boss - 2
                          11x KC Pro Teebird - 1
                          11x Champ Teebird - 2
                          Champ Katana - 3
                          ESP Buzzz - 1

                          2nd shot
                          JK avair-x - 14
                          z stalker - 4

                          Jk-avair x for every shot after 2nd shot.

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                          • #14
                            Do you right it down what disc you use or do you just remember? I can't even remember my score let alone trying to remember what disc I threw on each shot!
                            Sometimes my mind boggles. It's so deep my mind actually boggles.

                            ~ Cyndi Lauper ~

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                            • #15
                              I think if I went back through a round in my mind, immediately afterwards, I could probably remember which disc I used for each shot. But I've never bothered!
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