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  • #61
    Originally posted by snap7times View Post
    It's not so much as adapting to their game, it's implementing what you think would help your game and testing it out, same for disc selection, seeing what works for you etc. And when you are more focused and in the groove, you are actually thinking/focused about the specific things you have learned recently that help your game and the older stuff you have implemented in your game is becoming more automatic, decreasing your chances of shanking through time and playing/practice. It's called muscle memory! That is why you have to thinkkk about it when its something new or changed until the body memorizes the routine.
    I can't think of one part of my game that is ever "subconsious phenomenon" and just like "holy moley", I did that... I know how and why it happened the way it did. If it's subconcious, how do you adapt to improve?

    and bob, i don't think we are arguing, i think this is a very healthy and attractive subject to be discussing here...
    With the exception of the very top pros, I'm sure we've all seen pros execute the same kind of shots that we can hit on any given day...just not as consistently as they do. What I'm talking about is that by playing with those pros, you are able to make those shots more often and more consistently.

    That's the subconscious phenomenon I'm referring to. It's not magically as if I can suddenly pick up another 100' on my drives, it's that I can make the disc do what I intend it to do and hit more of those long putts.

    It's sort of like when in college, I'd have a term paper coming up, and I wouldn't have any idea what I was going to write about for the weeks leading up to it. And then the 12 hours or so before it was due, bam, I'd be hit with inspiration and pound out a not-too-shabby paper.

    It's like the added stress of playing with people that are better than you can act as a catalyst to unleash more of your potential.
    Untwist thine undergarments, 'tis but a Frisbee.

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    • #62
      I bet you if you played with avery on lets say milo west, you probably would magically add 100 feet to your distance... Anyone see Avery over shoot the fairway on 6W in the final round by like ohhh 150 feet? he was like, this close from going OB towards #7 fairway, OMFG... anyways, i hope for that kind of discmosis.....

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      • #63
        Originally posted by snap7times View Post
        I bet you if you played with avery on lets say milo west, you probably would magically add 100 feet to your distance... Anyone see Avery over shoot the fairway on 6W in the final round by like ohhh 150 feet? he was like, this close from going OB towards #7 fairway, OMFG... anyways, i hope for that kind of discmosis.....
        hahahah, indeed. I would pay good money for that kind of discmosis.
        Untwist thine undergarments, 'tis but a Frisbee.

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        • #64
          I picked up the book Mental Training for Peak Performance by Steven Ungerleider, Ph.D. at lunch today. He had this to say about this subject:

          "We all know friends who go out and attempt to imitate the tennis serve of Andre Agassi after watching Wimbledon, and they might do quite well. After watching the NBA finals, you may be inspired to go out and shoot three-pointers, surprising yourself by sinking one after another. So is there a relationship between watching the very best and then imitating that outstanding athletic feat?

          The answer is yes.

          Imagery becomes a dynamic element in the learning process. Athletes imitate the actions of others because their minds "take a picture" of the activity, and they use it as a model for their performances. Anyone can model his physical performance using this kind of mental "filming." Imagery is based on memory, and we experience it internally by reconstructing external events in our minds. As the programmer of our own imagery tapes, we are able to build an image from whatever pieces of memory we choose."

          Note the letters after the name.
          ďI believe I can hit 18 greens, hit every fairway, you know ó Vision 54, which means you birdie every hole, thatís in the back of my mind. I want to putt better, chip better. That day when I hit 18 greens and one putt, Iíll know Iím a complete golfer. Will that ever happen? Iím not sure, but itís possible. The 54 vision is always in the back of my mind.Ē
          ~Annika SŲrenstam

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          • #65
            I'm curious as to if Dr. Ungerleider is/was an athlete himself, allowing him first hand knowledge as well as the numerous studies he's read/conducted. Or if he just reads and analyzes the studies he and others create and then forming his theory.
            Golf appeals to the idiot in us and the child. Just how childlike golf players become is proven by their frequent inability to count past five. - John Updike

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Sam View Post
              I picked up the book Mental Training for Peak Performance by Steven Ungerleider, Ph.D. Note the letters after the name.
              Bob Cabal Ph.D.

              Physically Decreped

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              • #67
                He is a runner and a skier and plays basketball with his daughters.

                Oh... and he is a member of the US Olympic Committee Sports Psychology Registry.
                ďI believe I can hit 18 greens, hit every fairway, you know ó Vision 54, which means you birdie every hole, thatís in the back of my mind. I want to putt better, chip better. That day when I hit 18 greens and one putt, Iíll know Iím a complete golfer. Will that ever happen? Iím not sure, but itís possible. The 54 vision is always in the back of my mind.Ē
                ~Annika SŲrenstam

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                • #68
                  I saw that. Fellow Duck. Practice in Eugene.

                  While I generally agree with what is now called "discmosis", I do not buy it completely. Of course folks need to practice what they've seen, but they have to be willing to get better and also be able to get better. Physically able. Varying degrees of coordination and wonderful genetic concoctions that enable/disable can limit a player's ability to get better regardless of who she plays with.

                  I need to go putt.
                  Golf appeals to the idiot in us and the child. Just how childlike golf players become is proven by their frequent inability to count past five. - John Updike

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Sam View Post
                    I picked up the book Mental Training for Peak Performance by Steven Ungerleider, Ph.D. at lunch today. He had this to say about this subject:

                    "We all know friends who go out and attempt to imitate the tennis serve of Andre Agassi after watching Wimbledon, and they might do quite well. After watching the NBA finals, you may be inspired to go out and shoot three-pointers, surprising yourself by sinking one after another. So is there a relationship between watching the very best and then imitating that outstanding athletic feat?

                    The answer is yes.

                    Imagery becomes a dynamic element in the learning process. Athletes imitate the actions of others because their minds "take a picture" of the activity, and they use it as a model for their performances. Anyone can model his physical performance using this kind of mental "filming." Imagery is based on memory, and we experience it internally by reconstructing external events in our minds. As the programmer of our own imagery tapes, we are able to build an image from whatever pieces of memory we choose."

                    Note the letters after the name.
                    I'm not saying Dr. Ungerleider is right or wrong (although it does appear that he hasn't watch tennis for a while), but are we supposed suddenly buy into this argument just because somebody with a Ph.D. says so? Really? If that's the case.....

                    http://www.amitgoswami.org/scientifi...existence-god/
                    http://www.everystudent.com/wires/prove.html
                    http://knol.google.com/k/zvi-shkedi/...wlycjywdbb9/6#
                    http://www.ufbahai.org/articles/a-lo...ce-of-god.html

                    All of these authors have Ph.D. behind their names, so their theories must be true, right?

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                    • #70
                      Nice. Let's see where this goes.
                      Golf appeals to the idiot in us and the child. Just how childlike golf players become is proven by their frequent inability to count past five. - John Updike

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Scott View Post
                        I'm not saying Dr. Ungerleider is right or wrong (although it does appear that he hasn't watch tennis for a while), but are we supposed suddenly buy into this argument just because somebody with a Ph.D. says so? Really? If that's the case.....

                        http://www.amitgoswami.org/scientifi...existence-god/
                        http://www.everystudent.com/wires/prove.html
                        http://knol.google.com/k/zvi-shkedi/...wlycjywdbb9/6#
                        http://www.ufbahai.org/articles/a-lo...ce-of-god.html

                        All of these authors have Ph.D. behind their names, so their theories must be true, right?
                        Great. How about we turn a fairly decent discussion about disc golf theory into yet another debate about religion?

                        If I never see another post here about religion it will be too soon.
                        "You won't like me when I am angry, because I always back up my rage with facts and documented sources". - The Credible Hulk

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                        • #72
                          I think that the objective of Sam noting that the dude is a PhD, was to show that a fellah with an advanced degree actually agrees with a couple of guys who are not doctorates. It gives the statement a level of authority...backs up his and Hagerty's (sp?) belief about discmosis.
                          Golf appeals to the idiot in us and the child. Just how childlike golf players become is proven by their frequent inability to count past five. - John Updike

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Bullseye View Post
                            Great. How about we turn a fairly decent discussion about disc golf theory into yet another debate about religion?

                            If I never see another post here about religion it will be too soon.
                            I don't see it as a debate about religion. It is just Scott pointing out Sam's mistake of pointing out that the author of the book that he is referring to has a Ph.D., as if that is going to make his point.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by jevon View Post
                              I don't see it as a debate about religion. It is just Scott pointing out Sam's mistake of pointing out that the author of the book that he is referring to has a Ph.D., as if that is going to make his point.
                              My comment was intended to hopefully avoid having the discussion head down that path. It could have very easily careened off in that direction.
                              "You won't like me when I am angry, because I always back up my rage with facts and documented sources". - The Credible Hulk

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                              • #75


                                I didn't say that this clinched anything. I just said that this obvious fact has a lot of support. I am willing to guess that the majority of Ph.D.s who agree with me and Jeff far outnumber those who do not. Just as I am positive that the number of Ph.D.s who do not believe in a god far outnumber the few whack-jobs that do.

                                But sure... continue to believe what you want. Enjoy your kiddie division for as long as you want, Scott. In 5 years when you still haven't improved at all, please remember this conversation.
                                ďI believe I can hit 18 greens, hit every fairway, you know ó Vision 54, which means you birdie every hole, thatís in the back of my mind. I want to putt better, chip better. That day when I hit 18 greens and one putt, Iíll know Iím a complete golfer. Will that ever happen? Iím not sure, but itís possible. The 54 vision is always in the back of my mind.Ē
                                ~Annika SŲrenstam

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