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  • #46
    A par 2 cannot exist, since par (by definition) always gives you two putts to hole out.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by TreeLove View Post
      A par 2 cannot exist, since par (by definition) always gives you two putts to hole out.
      Well, yes and no.. technically, the PDGA actually tried par 2 holes at the 2001-2002 Worlds, if my source is correct. The eventual verdict was that par 2 holes were not received well, resulting in the guideline that any hole that based on length (rather than intended number of drives before reaching putting range) *should* be a par 2 should instead be redesigned. So there *can* be holes that are too short and easy to be a par 3 for the intended difficulty (i.e. red, white, blue, gold), which in this respect *could* be called par 2.. but really the ultimate answer is no, there's (currently) no such thing as a par 2 hole, there's just poorly designed par 3 holes that fail to produce the desired score distribution, and thus need redesigning.

      For reference, you can see from the PDGA par guidelines that par 2 holes (marked in pink) are indeed on there.. with the recommendation to not use them:

      www.pdga.com/files/documents/ParGuidelines.pdf

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      • #48
        Cool, thanks, as I said.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by jeverett View Post
          Hi Dr. Zaius,

          *laugh* I wasn't really suggesting the hole should be a par 2. I'm still technically at zero aces there.. *another* Buzzz shot blasted through the chains on it this weekend, though. My putting lately has been terrible, though.. so no guarantees on a 2, regardless.

          The par 2 thing comes from the PDGA guidelines.. at the blue level, a flat-elevation, lightly-wooded hole under 200ft. should be redesigned (rather than being a par 2), as it likely doesn't spread out the scoring distribution enough (by design, the goal is to have fewer than 70% of (Open) players score the same on a hole). Hole 11 short is roughly 185ft., with a slight uphill and a fair amount of OB.. thus kinda borderline. But I also don't think a hole needs to be short to give that "must get" feeling. Hole 1 short, for example.. that's a hole that feels like a "must get" birdie without being so short as to produce little scoring spread.

          Meh, I'm rambling.. just ignore me.. Hole 11 short is ok. I'm looking forward to the weekend!
          Sounds like a great opportunity for someone with an interest and aptitude in math (I'm looking at you jeverett) to analyze the scoring spread on the holes at CG after this tournament.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Matt B. View Post
            Sounds like a great opportunity for someone with an interest and aptitude in math (I'm looking at you jeverett) to analyze the scoring spread on the holes at CG after this tournament.
            Hi Matt,

            *laugh* If there's interest, I'd be happy to run some numbers after the event. I'd just need access to all of the scores per hole, by division.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by jeverett View Post
              Hi Matt,

              *laugh* If there's interest, I'd be happy to run some numbers after the event. I'd just need access to all of the scores per hole, by division.
              Awesome, I'm sure we can get the scorecards or copies to you afterwards. Since there is talk of redsigning some of the holes there I think it's important info to have. In fact, it's good to have these numbers for all courses and layouts.

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              • #52
                Ninkasi Toss is Sold Out

                The remaining 7 people that signed up today will be uploaded to the pdga website tonight. There will be NO wait list so if you want to play you should head out to the grove between 8 and 9 am to see if anyone does not show.

                THANK YOU FOR SELLING OUT A C TIER IN THE WILLAMETTE VALLEY PEOPLE!!! (or should i say addicts)
                May the wind be in your favor...

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Dr. Zaius View Post
                  Ninkasi Toss is Sold Out

                  The remaining 7 people that signed up today will be uploaded to the pdga website tonight. There will be NO wait list so if you want to play you should head out to the grove between 8 and 9 am to see if anyone does not show.

                  THANK YOU FOR SELLING OUT A C TIER IN THE WILLAMETTE VALLEY PEOPLE!!! (or should i say addicts)

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                  • #54
                    anybody from portland want to carpool??

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Dr. Zaius View Post
                      Ninkasi Toss is Sold Out

                      The remaining 7 people that signed up today will be uploaded to the pdga website tonight. There will be NO wait list so if you want to play you should head out to the grove between 8 and 9 am to see if anyone does not show.

                      THANK YOU FOR SELLING OUT A C TIER IN THE WILLAMETTE VALLEY PEOPLE!!! (or should i say addicts)
                      Nice!! Good work on filling this thing up. The weather should be most excellent this weekend...should make for some pretty hot rounds

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                      • #56
                        Nice job on your first sanctioned tourney Wilbur! Couldn't have went much smoother; extra thanks to Ninkasi for that super tasty keg of Radiant and to all those who donated for the epic elevated ring of fire. Shout out to Ryan Yokam...super hot shootin' for your first PDGA tourney!! Representin' 97420! Now about those dang yellow bands................

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Matt B. View Post
                          Awesome, I'm sure we can get the scorecards or copies to you afterwards. Since there is talk of redsigning some of the holes there I think it's important info to have. In fact, it's good to have these numbers for all courses and layouts.
                          Hey - I forgot to see if you could get the scorecards - did you? If not, Wilbur do you still have them?

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by chainsmasher View Post
                            Nice job on your first sanctioned tourney Wilbur! Couldn't have went much smoother; extra thanks to Ninkasi for that super tasty keg of Radiant and to all those who donated for the epic elevated ring of fire. Shout out to Ryan Yokam...super hot shootin' for your first PDGA tourney!! Representin' 97420! Now about those dang yellow bands................
                            Great tournament! Thanks to Will Larson, his wife Kathy, and the other volunteers. Thanks to the EDGC and the LCC disc golf club, Tom Chrestman and the other course keepers.

                            One day sanctioned tournaments are great!

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