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  • Originally posted by XandorF View Post
    I couldn't agree more. thank you for hosting this event regardless; however, this was my first pdga tournament and i was disappointed to say the least. Tee pads and the scheduling and over all disorganization and lack of information made it a frustrating day. i think i got 4th in advanced but i dont know because at the end when the TD was calling out names and skript he just didnt see my score or give me a place and just said "oh... give him mmm $28" so i dont know really know what place i got. i left upset. I know this is a very negative post and i try to not do this often this tournament in brought my image of the PDGA down a couple notches. Like i said, this is my first PDGA tournament, maybe i just got off to a wrong start but i hope the other PDGA tournaments are much more Professional.

    xander waibel
    Don't let a subpar event like this skew your view of PDGA tourneys Xander. This was a complete farce. I was also almost hit by a drive, I almost twisted by knee out of place on a number of holes, and I posted a score I didn't even think was possible on hole 15. I simply could not get ANY traction in the muck which acted as a tee pad. I have never left a tourney before, and having driven up from Eugene for this event it was hard for me to leave (even if I was DFL) but in the end the safety factor due to sloppy-muck tee areas forced my hand. Events such as the upcoming Great Northwest Open and the Three Player Open at McIver are a much better example of what PDGA tourneys should be like. I mean come ON! A basket bungeed to a tree? How is that even a legal target?

    I am not faulting the TD on his efforts, but I agree with a previous post that this should not have been a PDGA sanctioned event. The course is too small and the lack of tee pads, or any semblance of one, should prohibit the PDGA from sanctioning a tourney.

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    • The teepads were a mess. It was evident that Terry spent a lot of effort spreading bark where he could, but the fact is we've had so much rain lately that it just didn't make a difference. Not a lot he could do about the rain, and he did move a few pads during lunch which helped a lot.

      While we're on the topic of saftey, the tee areas for holes 14 and 17 were a geniune hazard and should never, ever happen again. For those who weren't there, the teepad for hole 17 was directly in the fligh path of hole 17, about 40' away from 17's teepad.

      The layout and teepads may work well for a small weekly with 3-4 groups, but is not suitable for a full-field PDGA event (Even a c-tier).

      It's not my intent to bash Terry or his events. It is evident how much energy and love he puts into his events. It is my hope that he takes these suggestions to heart and uses them to improve future events.

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      • Let me start by stating, "I love the lines of Wortman" But you can add all the safari holes, lentghten others or change Ts, to Wortman you want and you still can't call it Pier, hell lunchtime for that matter. It just isn't set up for heavy play, period; let alone a full blown tournement. Sorry Terry I aggree that you work your buns off, but it's a small course and will have these issues until you convince the city to give you room to install something bigger elswhere. Until then, it is a great little course, good luck.
        educate your thinking

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        • Originally posted by couve discer View Post
          Lost my full color buzz ace disc with a skyline disc golf stamp on it. Lost it in the creek by the drainage pipe on hole 18. I think it may have gone in or through the pipe. Has my name and # on it and would love to have it back.
          My wife and I had a great time minus the weather but we were expecting that. Thanks for throwing a winter tourny to get us ready for a big tourny season.
          Thanks
          Josh pierce
          360-910-5263
          I saw that disc recovered and I "think/hope it was turned in". It was found nearing the end of the 2nd round by a guy on my card. cant remember his name tho, drove out from central washington??
          I hope it was given to Terry for the lost/found but I'm not shure.
          Hukin since 1992
          DGOD #115

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          • I think that it was a good turn out and that the weather sucked but other than getting soaked it was a blast! I was wondering if the results where posted some where? If someone could let me know I would appreciate it.

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            • Originally posted by hansell69 View Post
              I was wondering if the results where posted some where? If someone could let me know I would appreciate it.
              The results have not been posted yet. This is where they will be: http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/64817

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              • I'm wondering how everyone did.... when will the results be up????

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                • Originally posted by dooley View Post

                  this was a charity fundraiser.
                  oh really? never once mentioned what charity it was for. i guess that makes me feel better... err

                  but thats good. who was it for? how much money was raised... and such things...

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                  • It wasn't officially a fundraiser, but the only way Terry could reserve the field across the street was by raising money for Special Olympics. I heard him make an announcement briefly during registration asking for donations.

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                    • Rain Happens

                      Originally posted by XandorF View Post
                      oh really? never once mentioned what charity it was for. i guess that makes me feel better... err

                      but thats good. who was it for? how much money was raised... and such things...
                      1. Random acts of really nasty weather happen.
                      2. Terry had to commit to PDGA certification before it rained a week.
                      3. Why do you care? We got to play disc. It's a game we (at least I) play for fun

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                      • Sure, rain happens. In some places, more than others. We happen to live in one of those places. We get that. But a TD can be prepared for that. Hopefully the TD (and other TDs) will learn from this experience that natural teepads in really rainy weather is a really bad idea.

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                        • Originally posted by Scott View Post
                          Sure, rain happens. In some places, more than others. We happen to live in one of those places. We get that. But a TD can be prepared for that. Hopefully the TD (and other TDs) will learn from this experience that natural teepads in really rainy weather is a really bad idea.
                          My back and knees agree with you. It was the first time I have played in a park that wet with a layout that tight. Very challenging is a lot of fun, very painful makes it hard to want to do that again. The end of the tournament could have been handled much better, a lot of us walked away shaking our heads and asking each other where we think we finished.
                          On the positive side, some of the shots were very fun to throw. If I was playing with a small group (or alone) I would really like to throw some of those shots again.
                          Nihilists! F@#$ me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

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                          • I wanted to say thanks again to Terry for putting a lot of time and effort into the tournament with the handmade tee signs and temp holes, Wortman is very small and is very difficult to fit 18 decent holes into. I think it was a good course considering what we have to work with. I just tried to keep a positive attitude despite the muddy tee's, rain, wind, and general nastiness involved in Wortman park winter golf.

                            I'm excited to be playing pro from here on out, I hope this win marks the beginning of a good tournament season.

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                            • I guess I'll throw in my take on the event:

                              First off, I'd like to say that I'm extremely appreciative that Terry threw this event, it was clear that he put a lot of effort into the tournament and overall, I thought most of it was handled very smoothly. I always think that post-tourney criticism should be tempered with a healthy dose of "are you out TDing right now??" and as a tournament player who has never run an event, I work to keep in my mind just how much coordination, effort and time goes into the process from Terry's end.
                              Overall, I enjoyed the modified Wortman layout, I thought the layout was imaginative, fun, challenging and while luck was a factor, it wasn't a factor on every hole, and with safe play, OB free rounds weren't impossible (I nabbed one of them). I'd also like to give props to the overall pace of the event outside of when we were on the course. Lunch didn't drag on too long and the turn-around after the 2nd round to the awards was faster than a lot of PDGA events I've played in. Also, thanks to those who helped in making lunch, it was great to warm up with chili and dogs, definitely a highlight of a very cold day. I'd also like to give thanks to having script redeemable both at the event and at Disc Golf Depot, event-only script is really frustrating for me as a played who is very picky about my discs, and doesn't have any desire to try out new molds.

                              Rather than simply bash the event, here are a few suggestions for next year.

                              1. I'll echo previous statements that considering the time of the year and Wortman's propensity for sloppy conditions, more concrete pads would have been great, the second field hole comes to mind as a place where it would have been just as easy to tee off from the concrete.
                              2. Less fairway crossing, (inside of this comment, I felt that a number of holes could have been safer just by being shorter, like having 14 just be 50 feet shorter rather than having it shoot over another tee pad, the course was plenty difficult as it is.).
                              3. Perhaps putting out a call for people to bring practice baskets, I know a number of players have really nice practice baskets they might be willing to lend for the day to avoid the tree basket or the single-set-chains discatcher on the first field hole.
                              4. A thorough explanation to the field of PDGA rule 803.05.B (casual water/optional relief rule) might have alleviated some frustration, at least one player in my group was baffled at why I felt I could move my disc back from the hole, in line with the basket, instead of standing in casual water.
                              5. Being able to see scores after the first round and after the event would have been nice, I still don't know how many players were in my division.

                              One other comment I'll make regarding safety, partly in response to Chainsmasher, is that mud happens, sometimes you just have to deal with it, there is no reason you can't simply stand in place and make a solid throw, I survived in tractionless sneakers largely by doing just that. Tough conditions are part of the game, and in all honesty, Terry didn't require pre-registration, no one made anyone show up and play in what was clearly going to be a pretty muddy day.

                              I'll close by again thanking Terry, hopefully I'll be able to return next year for your event with better luck with the weather and another fun, challenging course to try and conquer.
                              PDGA: #32726 rating: 930 StumptownDG: #31, Trojan Nation: Tag# 06
                              dgcoursereview.com profile: http://www.dgcoursereview.com/profile.php?id=376

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                              • REC!!!

                                REC!!!

                                Originally posted by Joshua Olmsted View Post
                                I guess I'll throw in my take on the event:

                                First off, I'd like to say that I'm extremely appreciative that Terry threw this event, it was clear that he put a lot of effort into the tournament and overall, I thought most of it was handled very smoothly. I always think that post-tourney criticism should be tempered with a healthy dose of "are you out TDing right now??" and as a tournament player who has never run an event, I work to keep in my mind just how much coordination, effort and time goes into the process from Terry's end.
                                Overall, I enjoyed the modified Wortman layout, I thought the layout was imaginative, fun, challenging and while luck was a factor, it wasn't a factor on every hole, and with safe play, OB free rounds weren't impossible (I nabbed one of them). I'd also like to give props to the overall pace of the event outside of when we were on the course. Lunch didn't drag on too long and the turn-around after the 2nd round to the awards was faster than a lot of PDGA events I've played in. Also, thanks to those who helped in making lunch, it was great to warm up with chili and dogs, definitely a highlight of a very cold day. I'd also like to give thanks to having script redeemable both at the event and at Disc Golf Depot, event-only script is really frustrating for me as a played who is very picky about my discs, and doesn't have any desire to try out new molds.

                                Rather than simply bash the event, here are a few suggestions for next year.

                                1. I'll echo previous statements that considering the time of the year and Wortman's propensity for sloppy conditions, more concrete pads would have been great, the second field hole comes to mind as a place where it would have been just as easy to tee off from the concrete.
                                2. Less fairway crossing, (inside of this comment, I felt that a number of holes could have been safer just by being shorter, like having 14 just be 50 feet shorter rather than having it shoot over another tee pad, the course was plenty difficult as it is.).
                                3. Perhaps putting out a call for people to bring practice baskets, I know a number of players have really nice practice baskets they might be willing to lend for the day to avoid the tree basket or the single-set-chains discatcher on the first field hole.
                                4. A thorough explanation to the field of PDGA rule 803.05.B (casual water/optional relief rule) might have alleviated some frustration, at least one player in my group was baffled at why I felt I could move my disc back from the hole, in line with the basket, instead of standing in casual water.
                                5. Being able to see scores after the first round and after the event would have been nice, I still don't know how many players were in my division.

                                One other comment I'll make regarding safety, partly in response to Chainsmasher, is that mud happens, sometimes you just have to deal with it, there is no reason you can't simply stand in place and make a solid throw, I survived in tractionless sneakers largely by doing just that. Tough conditions are part of the game, and in all honesty, Terry didn't require pre-registration, no one made anyone show up and play in what was clearly going to be a pretty muddy day.

                                I'll close by again thanking Terry, hopefully I'll be able to return next year for your event with better luck with the weather and another fun, challenging course to try and conquer.
                                Future's so bright, I gotta wear shades.

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