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  • #16
    Response #169 of question: #3

    Oregon Track Club
    Response to Disc Golf proposal in Alton Baker Park
    The board of directors of the Oregon Track Club, in a board meeting held on March 2nd 2011, has voted to respond as follows to the Disc Golf proposal in Alton Baker Park:
    We are in favor of the Park accommodating the activity of Disc Golf. We feel this is an appropriate passive activity and recreation for which passive activity and recreation for which East Alton Baker Park was created East Alton Baker Park was created.
    The Oregon Track club strongly opposes the plan to site the course in the West end of the park. The currently proposed site interferes with existing uses. In particular, this site overlaps and crosses-over the heavily used Prefontaine Running Trail. We are convinced this overlap will unnecessarily cause conflicts between two user groups of significant and growing size. Disc Golf is the fastest growing sport in America. The current site is too small for this activity. This activity deserves to be in an area large enough to freely accommodate it.
    The current site also potentially displaces previously long planned-for improvements such as the
    children’s play area. As a reminder, OTC agreed to the relocation of the trail to allow for the children’s play area to be built 6 years ago.
    We recommend that the Disc Golf course be located in the East section of Alton Baker Park. This is an under utilized portion of the park.
    Our proposal meets the definitions spelled out in the Charter Amendment Measure 20-01 for the
    conditions for development of East Alton Baker Park – specifically, “diverse passive recreational
    activities”, and the amendment further specifically names, “ Frisbee throwing” (among other uses) ….”and other group activities deemed appropriate”.
    This solution will avoid potential conflicts between disc golfers and trail users, will utilize the East end of the Park appropriately, and relieve further congestion in the West end of the Park. It also allows for the eventual completion of the long-planned children’s play area.
    Measure 20-01 specifies that no single activity dominates others. Until this point in time no use has been permitted – and thus has acted to resist any allowable activity to be introduced.
    The Oregon Track Club strongly supports the opening of East Alton Baker Park to allowable uses for the citizens of the community. And OTC specifically supports a Disc Golf site be approved for East Alton Baker Park.
    Oregon Track Club

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    • #17
      Originally posted by weaktit View Post
      Response #169 of question: #3

      Oregon Track Club
      Response to Disc Golf proposal in Alton Baker Park
      The board of directors of the Oregon Track Club, in a board meeting held on March 2nd 2011, has voted to respond as follows to the Disc Golf proposal in Alton Baker Park:
      We are in favor of the Park accommodating the activity of Disc Golf. We feel this is an appropriate passive activity and recreation for which passive activity and recreation for which East Alton Baker Park was created East Alton Baker Park was created.
      The Oregon Track club strongly opposes the plan to site the course in the West end of the park. The currently proposed site interferes with existing uses. In particular, this site overlaps and crosses-over the heavily used Prefontaine Running Trail. We are convinced this overlap will unnecessarily cause conflicts between two user groups of significant and growing size. Disc Golf is the fastest growing sport in America. The current site is too small for this activity. This activity deserves to be in an area large enough to freely accommodate it.
      The current site also potentially displaces previously long planned-for improvements such as the
      children’s play area. As a reminder, OTC agreed to the relocation of the trail to allow for the children’s play area to be built 6 years ago.
      We recommend that the Disc Golf course be located in the East section of Alton Baker Park. This is an under utilized portion of the park.
      Our proposal meets the definitions spelled out in the Charter Amendment Measure 20-01 for the
      conditions for development of East Alton Baker Park – specifically, “diverse passive recreational
      activities”, and the amendment further specifically names, “ Frisbee throwing” (among other uses) ….”and other group activities deemed appropriate”.
      This solution will avoid potential conflicts between disc golfers and trail users, will utilize the East end of the Park appropriately, and relieve further congestion in the West end of the Park. It also allows for the eventual completion of the long-planned children’s play area.
      Measure 20-01 specifies that no single activity dominates others. Until this point in time no use has been permitted – and thus has acted to resist any allowable activity to be introduced.
      The Oregon Track Club strongly supports the opening of East Alton Baker Park to allowable uses for the citizens of the community. And OTC specifically supports a Disc Golf site be approved for East Alton Baker Park.
      Oregon Track Club
      *huh* Interesting.. however is the Oregon Track Club aware of the City's statement that disc golf does not meet the voter-approved criteria for acceptable uses for East Alton Baker Park? Is the City's opinion on East Alton Baker Park negotiable (i.e. not final)? Or would the opening of East Alton Baker Park for other uses require the equivalent of a new ballot measure?

      Edit: Just to add to this a little, if anyone would care to read the East Alton Baker Park Plan (dated 1996) and the specific description of the kinds of 'passive recreational' activities it supports, it can be found here:

      http://www.eugene-or.gov/portal/serv..._Plan_1996.pdf

      By that document, it would appear that the ultimate authority to determine the intent of the 'passive recreational activities' clause is a 'East Alton Baker Park Citizen Planning Committee'.. unless of course that authority has been transferred since 1996.
      Last edited by jeverett; April 19th, 2011, 10:14 AM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by jeverett View Post
        *huh* Interesting.. however is the Oregon Track Club aware of the City's statement that disc golf does not meet the voter-approved criteria for acceptable uses for East Alton Baker Park? Is the City's opinion on East Alton Baker Park negotiable (i.e. not final)? Or would the opening of East Alton Baker Park for other uses require the equivalent of a new ballot measure?

        Edit: Just to add to this a little, if anyone would care to read the East Alton Baker Park Plan (dated 1996) and the specific description of the kinds of 'passive recreational' activities it supports, it can be found here:

        http://www.eugene-or.gov/portal/serv..._Plan_1996.pdf

        By that document, it would appear that the ultimate authority to determine the intent of the 'passive recreational activities' clause is a 'East Alton Baker Park Citizen Planning Committee'.. unless of course that authority has been transferred since 1996.
        There's a lot going on here behind the scenes with these two groups, and IMO little of it has to do with the actual safety of the current course proposal, and most of it has to do with politics and old animosities. Suffice it to say that the OTC's current campaign against the proposal has potentially crippled the chance for this to be a course someday.
        I don't think getting into it here is going to help so I'll just shut up.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Matt B. View Post
          There's a lot going on here behind the scenes with these two groups, and IMO little of it has to do with the actual safety of the current course proposal, and most of it has to do with politics and old animosities. Suffice it to say that the OTC's current campaign against the proposal has potentially crippled the chance for this to be a course someday.
          I don't think getting into it here is going to help so I'll just shut up.
          I did find it a bit ironic to learn that the original ballot measure (20-01) was passed to prevent East Alton Baker Park from being developed as a (ball) golf course. While disc golf is definitely less impact than that, I'm really not sure how the OTC could legitimately come to the conclusion that a disc golf course in East Alton Baker Park meets the voter-approved requirements for East Alton Baker Park 'passive recreational uses'. From the specific wording and spirit of that 1996 document, I have to say that if I were on the 'Citizen Planning Committee' I wouldn't approve disc golf in East Alton Baker Park.

          Now if that plan could be changed..

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Matt B. View Post
            TSuffice it to say that the OTC's current campaign against the proposal has potentially crippled the chance for this to be a course someday.
            Last night members of the OTC Board and the city parks walked through the north section again to see if there wasn't some way of accomodating the OTC's issues. Haven't heard any news yet on what was discussed or who, other than some of the OTC people, attended.

            So this proposal isn't completely dead (yet).

            DG has some allies in the OTC who want to see more people in the park, but there's a few folks who feel that Pre's Trail is sacred ground and alllowing DG would be like letting people rock climb on Mt. Rushmore.

            That being said the OTC Board is very interested in opening up the east side to more passive recreation. They know that it wouldn't take much to create a world-class cross country venue right in the heart of the city if they could make some changes to the trails over there.

            They also know the only way to do that is to build a broad alliance of interest groups which includes disc golfers. So the OTC's opposition to the west side course is tempered by their interest in building partnerships.

            As far as the east side goes; yeah, you've got the master plan and the Citizen's Planning Committee, but if you read that plan it talks about the need to make changes over time to accomodate changes in recreation patterns, etc.

            If these changes to the plan are going to happen it'll need to be the city council or mayor pushing it.

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