To Do List

[Scott]

The changes that are occuring with the Oregon Series have been well discussed and bitched about. Now, lets talk about how to use this opportunity to improve the series as we acutally go forward.

There have already been some complaints about how registrations were handled at the GNO. Specifically, that qualifiers were not given the opporunity to pre-reg. That seems to be one of the features past series that has fallen through the cracks. So what cracks are left? What functions of the Oregon Series have been picked up and what is left to do? The BSF appears to be in good hands, but that was only a fraction of what Cris and Teresa did.

Here's a list - completely off the top of my bald head - of some things that need to be addressed. Please speak up if they already are. Also, please feel free to add to the list.


Maintain the ORS website (side thought - who has the "keys" to this site, and will it stay that way?
Maintain a list of qualifiers for pre-reg purposes
Track points for end of series awards
Purchase a ScorePoint scoreboard
Scrip Vendor - is there one?
Tee signs?
Tents, tables, sound system, and other tourney central stuff?
Water jugs
Some way to haul all of the stuff above from tourney to tourney


What else can be added here? Is there anything on the list that somebody has already stepped up to take care of?

Lets get a positive discussion going, and see what we can accomplish.

[Magilla]

The changes that are occuring with the Oregon Series have been well discussed and bitched about. Now, lets talk about how to use this opportunity to improve the series as we acutally go forward.

There have already been some complaints about how registrations were handled at the GNO. Specifically, that qualifiers were not given the opporunity to pre-reg. That seems to be one of the features past series that has fallen through the cracks. So what cracks are left? What functions of the Oregon Series have been picked up and what is left to do? The BSF appears to be in good hands, but that was only a fraction of what Cris and Teresa did.

Here's a list - completely off the top of my bald head - of some things that need to be addressed. Please speak up if they already are. Also, please feel free to add to the list.


Maintain the ORS website (side thought - who has the "keys" to this site, and will it stay that way?
Maintain a list of qualifiers for pre-reg purposes
Track points for end of series awards
Purchase a ScorePoint scoreboard
Scrip Vendor - is there one?
Tee signs?
Tents, tables, sound system, and other tourney central stuff?
Water jugs
Some way to haul all of the stuff above from tourney to tourney


What else can be added here? Is there anything on the list that somebody has already stepped up to take care of?

Lets get a positive discussion going, and see what we can accomplish.

ALL of these things will be addressed at the TD meeting at Whistler's.

The TD's AND/OR thier Reps are the "WE" in this case.
IF you really want to be involved in the process, I would suggest that YOU contact your local TD and get involved there.
NOT trying to be an ASS, but 90% of the "WE" on this message board HAVE NO CLUE how to run an event let alone a Series and only want to make demands and suggestions, which when not followed BITCH quite loudly.:headbang:

to answer as many of your questions as I can.....

I believe that Rebecca is in contact with the Bellingers in an effort to maintain the current website.

The "qualifier List" was a joke...less than 1/2 the TD's last year even followed it. Something ELSE needs to be done.

Flash WAS working on a points system...."WE" will discuss this at the GNW.
Not a major issue, it will be covered.

Scoreports?? Hasnt been discussed. I have 2 that I have had for years, these could be used at events if needed.

Each local club will now be responsible for doing its own "scrip".
I think this is a good thing, NOW all the "profit" on Merch will go to the local club vs the "Series" and can be used for the event instead of disappearing into "thin air":whistler:

Tee Signs?? - This is one that has been brought up by a few TD's AND something that needs to be discussed with the "Old Series Staff"

Tents, Water Jugs, Trailer, etc.?? - Bummer isnt it??
There are none at this point....GOT CASH??

These are all things that will need to be discussed BY THE TD's at Whistlers.
THAT meeting will NOT be open to the Public. This is because I have found that OPEN meetings for this type of discussion just do not work. To many arguements tend to happen AND nothing seems to get resolved. It is best IF the individuals that actually run the events do the talking here.

:cheers:

[the flogging putter]

:confused:Since people have been using this phrase Local Clubs, why is the UDA not running the GNO? To my knowledge nobody even asked us. This is not a knock on the EDGC, Rebecca, or Tom they have done a great job! If it is the job of local clubs there is nothing more local then the UDA.

[Magilla]

:confused:Since people have been using this phrase Local Clubs, why is the UDA not running the GNO? To my knowledge nobody even asked us. This is not a knock on the EDGC, Rebecca, or Tom they have done a great job! If it is the job of local clubs there is nothing more local then the UDA.

It is my understanding that was some sort of "rift" between the
"Old Series" and Yose. This is why Tom has been the TD, basically so the "Series" could still be at :whistler:

Im pretty sure that Rebecca has brought this very subject up to the EDGC.
Unless something "drastic" happens, It WILL return to the UDA next year.
:yay:

[Sam]

Hey Josh - I believe that this was legacy from the old series. I know that Rebecca plans on talking to you guys soon about her club NOT running this event next year and hopes that you guys will step up to run it.

As for the why UDA has not run it the past couple of years, I do not even want to get involved in that discussion and would encourage you to talk to Yose to get his side.

[Sam]

Yeah... what he said. :cheers:

[the flogging putter]

Thanks guys that was quick!!! I have heard some, and am glad to hear it could be coming back to the UDA, but we would definitely need Yose on board. On another note Sam are you really a DUKE fan?

[Wes Hansen]

Mag-
Why do you continue to make backhanded jabs at the old ORS staff at every opportunity and also try to make yourself sound like the king of all things DG at the same time?:pullhair:
I hope your having your meeting outdoors. I'm not sure your head fits through a conventional doorway.:nono:
It will be nice when you have everything all figured out and tell us how things will go.:whistler:
Seems like every one else has no clue, except you. Us DGers must sure be a slow bunch of fellows. It sure will be nice when you hold our hands and wipe our butts for us. We sure does thank you Mr. Man.:bowing:
Your diplomacy and tact could use a little refresher course.
Your the big man when it comes to how to do things. Maybe you should stop crying about your "friends" that took they're toys home so you couldn't play with them and figure out where to get your own toys.:explode:
I certainly hope YOU do a good job doing the stuff that YOU know how to do so well. But you might climb off that high horse before it bucks and throws you off.:slapface:

[Jim J]

ALL of these things will be addressed at the TD meeting at Whistler's.

The TD's AND/OR thier Reps are the "WE" in this case.
IF you really want to be involved in the process, I would suggest that YOU contact your local TD and get involved there.


You seem to be missing one step in this process, at least in so far as the Eugene Club is concerned. No one has been granted the authority to bind the Eugene Club to anything. Only the club members have that authority. So it's great you're having a meeting to work on these issues, but any agreement that obligates the EDGC has to be ratified by our members, and my guess is that's going to hold for the other clubs as well.

[essjay]

Wes, I agree with some of the things you've said above about Mike's relative tact, however, I also think it's important that there is one leader in this effort. As an example, a lot of people came up with some pretty good ideas on another thread about how to continue this series, but it was really just a lot of people with some pretty good ideas. I think one person should spearhead the effort, with the support of the clubs that host tourneys. Seems like without that one (hopefully unifying) leader, it's all a bunch of babbling with no results. Mags is the State Coordinator, so he gets the job. That's just my opinion.

:cheers:

[Wes Hansen]

What?
Hasn't the Oregon DG community given Mag ultimate authority?
He seems to be the only one capable. At least according to him!

You will do what he tells you. You will do what he tells you. You will do what he tells you. You will do what he tells you. You will do what he tells you. You will do what he tells you.

[Wes Hansen]

Out of order response. That was in response to Jim J, not Essjay.

Essjay- Perhaps. But building a little consensus might not be a bad thing.

[essjay]

I agree that some group concensus is needed. Hopefully the club-appointed TDs for each event will reach consensus with Magilla and then pass along the info to the clubs. But I also agree with Jim that the clubs may have to vote on the changes/proposals based on each club's by-laws.

:cheers:

[RonTheWhip]

I have no qualms making fun of the way MIKE writes his POSTS, or even the over exuberant way he expressess himself. But when it comes to event coordination and experience within the dg community, he is tough to beat. Folks need to realize that Mike is a very realistic, pragmatic thinker, and has no time for what he may percieve as useless talk/suggestions/complaints. He wants to know what people are willing and capable of doing, instead of hearing what people want to have happen. Thats my take on the situation, but I don't talk for Mike, so take this for what its worth. As far as taking jabs at the former ORS crew, I'm not sure what Mike was trying to imply...and as far as being the king of dg, he's not. He talks that way about most everything.

IMHO
Dion

["Over the Hill" Bob]

You seem to be missing one step in this process, at least in so far as the Eugene Club is concerned. No one has been granted the authority to bind the Eugene Club to anything. Only the club members have that authority. So it's great you're having a meeting to work on these issues, but any agreement that obligates the EDGC has to be ratified by our members, and my guess is that's going to hold for the other clubs as well.

As with Stumptown!

A meeting of TD's is fine, but what we REALLY need is a meeting of Clubs. My suggestion would be for each club involved to have a representative available at GNO for a meeting. I wll be there and will represent Stumptown.

Bob

[Wes Hansen]

Dion,

That was enlightening. Thanks. And I mean that.

I have not questioned his ability, only his attitude. Which I think sucks.

[Sam]

On another note Sam are you really a DUKE fan?

Absolutely. How could you ever not root for Coach K?

[Bullseye]

Mag-
Why do you continue to make backhanded jabs at the old ORS staff at every opportunity...? :pullhair:

I have to agree here. I'm tired of it as well.

The ORS series did more for NW Disc Golf over the past few years than any other organization. Why don't we let them retire with the honor and respect they rightly deserve. Nothing is to be gained from trashing people, regardless of how subtly the trashing is done.

With that said, Oregon Disc Golf is going to thrive... with or without the ORS Series or a State coordinator. Why? Because Oregon golfers rule. Period. :biggrin2:

[Scott]

He wants to know what people are willing and capable of doing, instead of hearing what people want to have happen.

I was just trying to wrap my head around what has been done and what needs to be done before taking the next step. I have some very real ideas about how I could help, but I wasn't sure if anyone had stepped up in these particular areas.

[Jim J]

As with Stumptown!

A meeting of TD's is fine, but what we REALLY need is a meeting of Clubs. My suggestion would be for each club involved to have a representative available at GNO for a meeting. I wll be there and will represent Stumptown.

Bob

Agreed. At our next EDGC meeting I'll make a motion to appoint (annoint) a similar rep. Could very well be Rebecca for simplicity's sake.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

I was just trying to wrap my head around what has been done and what needs to be done before taking the next step. I have some very real ideas about how I could help, but I wasn't sure if anyone had stepped up in these particular areas.

Sometimes I hate internet forums! :pullhair: I just had to say that! :D

Scott's intent was good and he is right from a DG'ers persepective that wants to keep things moving in the right direction. Any offer by Scott for help cannot be overlooked. I've know and worked with him for many years and I can tell you some of the projects that we were tasked with at Nike were monumental and Scott being on the Team made the job A LOT better.

There's a lot of issues already being talked about but it does seem to be a group here and a group there and everyone has an idea of what does or doesn't need to be done. We do need to have a group or individual to oversee the "Series". My suggestion of course is for a 'group' to oversee versus an individual. I think Mike is a very capable leader but as a representative of Stumptown, I feel decisions being made need to involve the club as well.

Everyone can be assured that things are indeed well under control for the Beaver State Fling. Jeff and Mike are doing a remarkable job on this event. If you don't get signed up for this one, you will want to come out and visit anyway. It will be an incredible event. We are now also working on the Rose City Open and hope to make it even bigger and better than years past.

I've never been involved at this level of planning and running disc golf events, other ventures, but not disc golf and can tell you that what you see when you arrive at a tournament wasn't just set up prior to you arriving. Work has been done for months by a lot of hard working people. We are a disc golf 'community', and as with any community, we have and need a variety of people with different and differing ideas. The goal hopefully is the same for all of us, to evolve and grow disc golf and make the sport better in every way. A group to over see the ORS can work but doesn't need to be a "our way or the hyway" way of doing business. Hearing positive ideas from our community is a good thing. Lets keep this a positive thread about improving and growing the ORS not a bash fest.

Guess thats it for now!;)

Bob

[essjay]

http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/showthread.php?t=817

I thought this entire conversation sounded familiar.

maybe this is why Magilla is trying to step up and organize the effort...

[Magilla]

As with Stumptown!

A meeting of TD's is fine, but what we REALLY need is a meeting of Clubs. My suggestion would be for each club involved to have a representative available at GNO for a meeting. I wll be there and will represent Stumptown.

Bob

The reason I say "TD's" is that THEY are the one's that run the events.

Yes the clubs are "involved" but in MOST cases its the TD who does 90% of the work.

THEY go to the clubs with the info....WHY would "Roller Bob" be the contact for Stumptown? Would that be better suited for Mittl or Flash? Being that they are the Co-Td's for your largest event?

Im not seeing WHAT it is that each club needs to ratify?? At this point we are continuing on under the same rules that have been established.
Until we meet and "decide" to change things, there is no reason for "clubs" to ratify anything.

We are trying to move on and deal with what we have been dealt...not FOLD

:cheers:

[Magilla]

Mag-
Why do you continue to make backhanded jabs at the old ORS staff at every opportunity and also try to make yourself sound like the king of all things DG at the same time?:pullhair:



I did this?? Where?? :shocked:



Its unfortunate that you see it that way. :rolleyes2:
I suppose that WE have had VERY different paths to where we are in the Disc Golf World.
I have dedicated nearly 17 yrs of my life to the Promotion and running of events AND Series. In that time, I have "aquired" a vast knowledge in what works and what doesnt in the Disc Golf scene.
Sure no one wants to hear about how the NorCal Series did it or does it.
But in reality, it did work AND can work for the Oregon Series.
I have been put in this position (Coordinator) by the players and EVERYTHING I am doing is for the players benefit. Some may not see it that way, others do and understand the "Big Picture"
I can surely step back and do nothing, coordinate the schedule and play on.
But that is not the way I am, I WILL "share" my thoughts on what I feel should happen. And those thoughts are based on my years of experience.
NO WHERE have I "dictated" anything, beyond my "power". If that was the case there would be NO MEETINGS and I WOULD be telling you exactly how it will be done. But instead, I am attempting to "coordinate" between the TD's to DEAL with the situation at hand.

As with any person in a "leadership" position could tell you, NOT everyone is going to be happy with their actions...thats life.

Would you like me to resign...That would make my wife happy.
I DID STATE when I was running "Make my wife happy, DONT vote for me" :shocked:

Now that I think about it, according to the PDGA, IF I did resign then the PDGA Vice-Pres would have to take over for me until the next vote in 2010. That would be Cris B., I wonder how he would like the job. :whistler:

:cheers:

[LJ Jubner]

God Wes You need help. You/ We / Them /whoever should think of the Oregon series as a Phoenix. A rebirth from the ashes left after the resignations at so late a date for 2009.

That being said
Take the good forward, work on the weak and dump the bad these three ideas will make DG stronger in the long Run.

Jeff If you mean The Ore staff did more for DG than anyone else lately. Like promoting the NW I agree but to leave the way they did does more good than most realize. It forces us off our asses and actually be responsible for our own fun not someone else do it for us. i believe that's why Mags chooses the words phrases and sentences he does.

[discgolforegon]

The changes that are occuring with the Oregon Series have been well discussed and bitched about. Now, lets talk about how to use this opportunity to improve the series as we acutally go forward.

There have already been some complaints about how registrations were handled at the GNO. Specifically, that qualifiers were not given the opporunity to pre-reg. That seems to be one of the features past series that has fallen through the cracks. So what cracks are left? What functions of the Oregon Series have been picked up and what is left to do? The BSF appears to be in good hands, but that was only a fraction of what Cris and Teresa did.

Here's a list - completely off the top of my bald head - of some things that need to be addressed. Please speak up if they already are. Also, please feel free to add to the list.


Maintain the ORS website (side thought - who has the "keys" to this site, and will it stay that way?
Maintain a list of qualifiers for pre-reg purposes
Track points for end of series awards
Purchase a ScorePoint scoreboard
Scrip Vendor - is there one?
Tee signs?
Tents, tables, sound system, and other tourney central stuff?
Water jugs
Some way to haul all of the stuff above from tourney to tourney


What else can be added here? Is there anything on the list that somebody has already stepped up to take care of?

Lets get a positive discussion going, and see what we can accomplish.

I have offered SEVERAL times to help with the ORS website. I personally talked to Todd Andrews, and left dozens of emails and phone messages for the bellingers to no avail. I have plenty of time available to make the necessary updates. Otherwise i can showcase the Oregon series on DGO, but not sure how receptive people are going to be to that.

As always DGO is here to help with whatever Oregon Golf projects we can.

[Wes Hansen]

Typically a "club" is an organized group of people who decide to do things based on a consensus within that group. While a few members of that group may take on a majority of the tasks, it is the group that decides to provide their resources as a club to support a particular effort.

I understand Stumptown is throwing the BSF this year, with the dedicated support of several members. Same with the Eugene Celebration if I'm not mistaken.

So, Mag, I believe what those couple members of those clubs have attempted to have you understand is that it would take the club's themselves to "ratify" or "OK" your PROPOSALS in regard to an Oregon Series. At least if a "club" is going to use their resources

Of course, you might be able to find a few people to do everything your way with no other input. That really sounds like what you want, so why not start from scratch and you can put together a whole series yourself.

Or you can step off your little mountain and start listening to what others have to say. No one said you have to use the ideas of those folks you obviously feel so superior to, just treat them with respect.

You sound well qualified and fairly well recommended. I'm sure if you approach this a little more tactfully you'll receive the support you need.

Personally- from someone who from time to time suffers from a holier than thou attitude- yours seems to be a particularly bad case. Running a DG event or series is by no means rocket science. Your expertise could be replaced by a 14 year old. Really.

[Magilla]

Running a DG event or series is by no means rocket science. Your expertise could be replaced by a 14 year old. Really.

Effective NOW...
Some 14 yr old named WES is going to run the Oregon Series.
His "past" record proves he is worthy of the job....

:slapface:

USDGC...here I come!

:cheers:

[all2common]

Effective NOW...
Some 14 yr old named WES is going to run the Oregon Series.
His "past" record proves he is worthy of the job....

:slapface:

USDGC...here I come!

:cheers:

Well said...I do not think Wes has much to talk about regarding how easy/hard it is to run an event let alone a series.

[Wes Hansen]

Never mind Mag. You appear to suffer from narcissism.
I'm sure you'll do well and make things happen.
I'll just try not to let your Big Man on Campus attitude bother me.
And you probably don't realize you put down the Bellingers at every opportunity. That's a sign of narcissism.
Threatening to quit because a couple people disagree with you or call you on your attitude. Another telltale sign.

[Wes Hansen]

Now my feelings are hurt!
If you can't stand the heat, lash out with childish BS.
How manly of you.

[Magilla]

Never mind Mag. You appear to suffer from narcissism.
I'm sure you'll do well and make things happen.
I'll just try not to let your Big Man on Campus attitude bother me.
And you probably don't realize you put down the Bellingers at every opportunity. That's a sign of narcissism.
Threatening to quit because a couple people disagree with you or call you on your attitude. Another telltale sign.


Again with the "ME putting down the Bellingers" arguement?? :nono:

WHERE??

YOU seem to be the one that brings that up OVER and OVER.

I "could" spew more, BUT you are not worth my effort.
ANY disagreements I have with the "Bellingers" can AND will be discussed between US only, at this point.
A majority of the players have wished it so.....so I have let it go...Can You?

I will NEVER step down......I have far too much love for the sport.

Comments from YOU are more of a joke to me as your opinions and statements are not worth the paper on a roll next to my toilet and we all know what we use that for.
:kissflowers:

[Roller Bob]

The reason I say "TD's" is that THEY are the one's that run the events.

Yes the clubs are "involved" but in MOST cases its the TD who does 90% of the work.

THEY go to the clubs with the info....WHY would "Roller Bob" be the contact for Stumptown? Would that be better suited for Mittl or Flash? Being that they are the Co-Td's for your largest event?

Im not seeing WHAT it is that each club needs to ratify?? At this point we are continuing on under the same rules that have been established.
Until we meet and "decide" to change things, there is no reason for "clubs" to ratify anything.

We are trying to move on and deal with what we have been dealt...not FOLD

:cheers:

First of all I think everything you're trying to do is fine Magilla. So don't be offended by anything I say here. I'm not your enemy at all. I do hope for a continuation of the Oregon series.

But, just to set the record straight, I would not be the contact for the Stumptown club, maybe for the EDGC. I live in Eugene not Portland. If you were just making a point, fine, but I personally wouldn't presume to speak for the Stumptown guys.

You should know, the EDGC has run the Celebration tourney for 17 yrs and it is run by the club. You're right that "most" of the tournaments are run by the TD who does 90% of the work. Not the Celebration. I know Tom has run it for the last couple of years, and from what I heard from some of the ORS staff they thought of the Celebration as his. But it isn't. The EDGC has had many different TD's over the years before and during the ORS. Also every one of those events had many different people involved in fund raising, course prep (which was significant when we didn't have Dexter), food vending, scorecard making, running different venues for separate courses, meeting with parks people, keeping track of points, posting results, and even checking cards. The EDGC is intimately "involved" in the running of the Celebration. With out the EDGC Tom wouldn't have time to run it during hunting season. Now the GNO is slightly different. Without Tom's volunteering to TD that event I'm not sure the club would have been involved.

The basic thing that I keep hearing (from you and many others on this forum) is that it is taken for granted that the same events in the series from 08 will just automatically switch to the new series in 09. Not so. The old series is dead. Long live the new one, if we (EDGC) like the way it's set up. And if we don't, we are under no obligation to continue with it. Not to mention that we haven't even been asked to participate. We were part of the old Northwest series before the Oregon series was started. We went by ourselves for a while too. The EDGC knows how to run tournaments without any help from a series.

I guess I'm mostly echoing what JJ said. I hope things get hammered out at Whistler's. In the early days of the Oregon Series thats where things were hammered out too. Before there is a wedding there needs to be a proposal. I'm rooting for you Magilla. I like the Oregon Series and hope runs forever.

[NWDiscer]

Personally- from someone who from time to time suffers from a holier than thou attitude- yours seems to be a particularly bad case. Running a DG event or series is by no means rocket science. Your expertise could be replaced by a 14 year old. Really.



ummmm what the f&%k do you think your blowing out your a$s here Wes???

A 14 yr old can replace 17 yrs of running event's.......seems almost like some1 else was making this post..........:confused::headbang::nahnah:

[Magilla]

First of all I think everything you're trying to do is fine Magilla. So don't be offended by anything I say here. I'm not your enemy at all. I do hope for a continuation of the Oregon series.

But, just to set the record straight, I would not be the contact for the Stumptown club, maybe for the EDGC. I live in Eugene not Portland. If you were just making a point, fine, but I personally wouldn't presume to speak for the Stumptown guys.

You should know, the EDGC has run the Celebration tourney for 17 yrs and it is run by the club. You're right that "most" of the tournaments are run by the TD who does 90% of the work. Not the Celebration. I know Tom has run it for the last couple of years, and from what I heard from some of the ORS staff they thought of the Celebration as his. But it isn't. The EDGC has had many different TD's over the years before and during the ORS. Also every one of those events had many different people involved in fund raising, course prep (which was significant when we didn't have Dexter), food vending, scorecard making, running different venues for separate courses, meeting with parks people, keeping track of points, posting results, and even checking cards. The EDGC is intimately "involved" in the running of the Celebration. With out the EDGC Tom wouldn't have time to run it during hunting season. Now the GNO is slightly different. Without Tom's volunteering to TD that event I'm not sure the club would have been involved.

The basic thing that I keep hearing (from you and many others on this forum) is that it is taken for granted that the same events in the series from 08 will just automatically switch to the new series in 09. Not so. The old series is dead. Long live the new one, if we (EDGC) like the way it's set up. And if we don't, we are under no obligation to continue with it. Not to mention that we haven't even been asked to participate. We were part of the old Northwest series before the Oregon series was started. We went by ourselves for a while too. The EDGC knows how to run tournaments without any help from a series.

I guess I'm mostly echoing what JJ said. I hope things get hammered out at Whistler's. In the early days of the Oregon Series thats where things were hammered out too. Before there is a wedding there needs to be a proposal. I'm rooting for you Magilla. I like the Oregon Series and hope runs forever.

DOH!! Sorry...WRONG BOB!.. :o :slapface:
I meant "Over the Hill" Bob, who stated that he would be the Stumptown Rep.
:whistler:

I could not imagine a scenario that would keep the EDGC & the Celebration from continuing as a part of the Series.
THAT would be a set back for ALL the players & the Series, IMO.
Its great to know that the EDGC is getting MORE involved with the events that it runs. That is the way it should be.
i am confident that when we leave :whistler:, there will be a better understanding of where the Series is going from here.
AND then that info will be put out to the players so that the speculation will be done with.

:cheers:

[Sam]

Out of curiosity... how does Magilla's demeanor - coarse as it is but to be expected from a Giants' fan :whistler: - have any bearing on what will happen with the Oregon Series? The guy is being nice enough to a) step up and organize, and b) listen to input from those who wish to add their $0.02, and c) offer his years of experience to make this transition easier.

I can understand not liking the way someone speaks to people but seriously... do we want to piss him off so he doesn't want to do it?

It just seems to me that we are walking right back down the road that led us here. Complain enough and make it harder for the person doing the work and we will be right back here next year wondering what the heck went wrong and looking for the next series coordinator.

Give it a rest, Wes. You have said your piece. If you have something further to hash out with Magilla that has absolutely nothing to do with the series, please do it in PM or e-mail.

[essjay]

Hear hear, Sam

:cheers:

[Wes Hansen]

Done. And done.

[Magilla]

Done. And done.


Yup, Done!

:cheers:

[Wes Hansen]

Barely five hours of forum fighting before order was restored.
I think Mag and I may have set a record!

[Sam]

Thank you both. I like you both and respect you both and think your goals are the same even if your vision for getting there differs slightly.

:cheers:

[Sean Phillips]

This is BS, I was expecting at least 48 hours of entertaining name calling and hair pulling.

Sam, what has happened to you? A year ago you'd be in the mud pit rolling around throwing mud all over the place. :laughing: I ALMOST miss the old Sam :angel:

On a serious note, we definitely need to support those that work for us. Magilla walks the walk and gets stuff done. :bowing:

[Flatroc]

This is BS, I was expecting at least 48 hours of entertaining name calling and hair pulling.

Sam, what has happened to you? A year ago you'd be in the mud pit rolling around throwing mud all over the place. :laughing: I ALMOST miss the old Sam :angel:


I'm going to guess it was the disc golf experience he had last weekend. :wink2:

:whistler:'s rocs

[Magilla]

Thank you both. I like you both and respect you both and think your goals are the same even if your vision for getting there differs slightly.

:cheers:

Who asked YOU, Dugger Fan....:nahnah:

Now on to a MORE serious subject....

DODGERS SUCK, DODGERS SUCK, DODGERS SUCK
:rolleyes:

Now, I feel better......:biggrin2:

[Sam]

Get it out of your system.

We know what you really mean is that the organization that OWNS the Dodgers and disallows tailgating sucks and that the players as a whole are clearly better than the team to the north that dresses in that ugly-assed orange and black. :D

[the flogging putter]

Dodgers suck, the Gaints really suck get over it!!!:nahnah: GO CARDS:yay:

[Wes Hansen]

As an Orioles fan, I shall remain silent.

[Adam Schneider]

And this Twins fan has nothing to say about y'all's petty NL rivalries either...

["Over the Hill" Bob]

I decide to get my butt off the internet and go golfing, and come back to what? Someone has abducted OUR Sam and left a polite, articulate, and makes sense, poor excuse for a double. What did you do with OUR Sam? Bastards! :shooting:

And NOW to address the issues brought to the forum concerning the future of the ORS, we are doing so by argueing about who's football/baseball/basketball team is better? :shocked:

Go Blazers! :yay:

Bob

[Magilla]

Get it out of your system.

We know what you really mean is that the organization that OWNS the Dodgers and disallows tailgating sucks and that the players as a whole are clearly better than the team to the north that dresses in that ugly-assed orange and black. :D

Well at least you got 1/2 of it right..

:biggrin2:

[snap7times]

holy cow, Sam? You ok? need a beer? That must have taken almost all of your energy to write that poetic and mind calming post that seemed to just calm the storm of the year. Kind like Katrina disappating 100 feet before hitting New Orleans.. Whew! I can say this, as the TD for the Oregon Deaf Championship, I face my share of people questioning my every move and a weaker person would just give up and no one would benefit. So it is a common occurance, those who have not been a major part of planning a major tournament, often say things that they would not say if they had the tournament hosting expirence. Disc Golf is in no shape for negativity, just help out anyway you can and lets grow this sport into the face of the planet...

Now, I have two Orange gatorade containers if they are needed. They are in my shed in Salem if needed. The ODDGA does have a scorepointe as well and would be willing to bring those to BSF since some of us will be there too....
I would take up Disc Golf Oregon's offer for website moderation..

["Over the Hill" Bob]

....WHY would "Roller Bob" be the contact for Stumptown? Would that be better suited for Mittl or Flash? Being that they are the Co-Td's for your largest event?



:cheers:

As already cleared up "Roller Bob" would not be a contact for Stumptown. "Over the Hill" Bob, Bob Cabal (that's me) SHOULD. Why? I am the Stumptown Vice President and Compition Director. Mittl and Flash ARE co-td's for BSF but Jordan Lewis and Jeff Hagerty are co-td's for RCO. Do they not count? The td's volunteer as members of the club but do not make decisions on behalf of the club. Any of the clubs are more than welcome to ask their td's to be their representatives and I would love to have Mike or Jeff join me in representing Stumptown but it is a decision that each club must make. This is my 2¢ for what it's worth.

Bob

[Roller Bob]

DOH!! Sorry...WRONG BOB!.. :o :slapface:
I meant "Over the Hill" Bob, who stated that he would be the Stumptown Rep.
:whistler:

:cheers:

There are a lot of Bob's running around these days. If 4 or more Bob's show up at a tournament can we have our own division? Hummmm....skill based divisions, age based divisions, and now finally Bob based divisions. Disc golf just keeps getting better.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

There are a lot of Bob's running around these days. If 4 or more Bob's show up at a tournament can we have our own division? Hummmm....skill based divisions, age based divisions, and now finally Bob based divisions. Disc golf just keeps getting better.

We need to recruit Ol' Bob and Wobbly Bob! I like the idea! :D

Bob

[Jim J]

There are a lot of Bob's running around these days. If 4 or more Bob's show up at a tournament can we have our own division? Hummmm....skill based divisions, age based divisions, and now finally Bob based divisions. Disc golf just keeps getting better.

So in a BOB division who's is going to tee-off first? According to the PDGA one person in a group can be BOB.

[Magilla]

:oAs already cleared up "Roller Bob" would not be a contact for Stumptown. "Over the Hill" Bob, Bob Cabal (that's me) SHOULD. Why? I am the Stumptown Vice President and Compition Director. Mittl and Flash ARE co-td's for BSF but Jordan Lewis and Jeff Hagerty are co-td's for RCO. Do they not count? The td's volunteer as members of the club but do not make decisions on behalf of the club. Any of the clubs are more than welcome to ask their td's to be their representatives and I would love to have Mike or Jeff join me in representing Stumptown but it is a decision that each club must make. This is my 2¢ for what it's worth.

Bob

Bob (correct one this time) :o Had you come forward with, "As Stumptown VP & Comp. Director, I will be attending the meeting", my response MAY have been different.
But instead you just stated that you were going to Represent Stumptown.

of course, Jordan & Jeff count...I DID say TD's didnt I.;)

I have already spoken with Jeff thru PM and HE is planning to attend the meeting and you are welcome as well.

:cheers:

["Over the Hill" Bob]

:o

Bob (correct one this time) :o Had you come forward with, "As Stumptown VP & Comp. Director, I will be attending the meeting", my response MAY have been different.
But instead you just stated that you were going to Represent Stumptown.

of course, Jordan & Jeff count...I DID say TD's didnt I.;)

I have already spoken with Jeff thru PM and HE is planning to attend the meeting and you are welcome as well.

:cheers:

Yes, my bad for assuming everyone in the disc golf world new that I was the the VP of Stumptown and Competion Director. Mike, you really do need to read every post on every thread and commit to memory all of the information contained there in. :D

Oh yeah............Doggers Suck!

Bob

[SMOKIN JOE]

about the part of preregistration
last years qualifiers,i waited till the very end of my two weeks almost every time, and the one tournament that i can't remember opened to all and was full before i registered and i still got in
i think it is important to reward those who support the seriers
espiecially with how many people attended all seven in the years past
so someone who has attended say 14 ors events in a row now doesn't get to play because he went to the beach for three days and came back to a full tournament
so a defending series champion doesn't have the right to preregistration
you might as well go to a pre-lottery and raise all the money you need ,,,,i'd probably buy at least 100 tickets for whistlers :cool2: