2012/13 Week #4 @ Milo

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Week 4 - Milo McIver
8:00am CSL, 8:30am TEE

SATURDAY 11/17/12
Disc Golf or Die @ Putt It In Your Mouth
Oregon Disc & Wildlife @ Young Guns
Droppin Deuces @ OREgrown
Chain Damage @ Hylton Baskets
Born2BFly @ Dancing Cows

SUNDAY 11/18/12
Good, Bad & Sassy @ Green Bowl Packers
Putt This! @ Vapor Trails
Darkhorse @ Rockwood Roughnecks
Big Winds @ GripLok
Team Skinny @ Discrupters

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Jordan,

Milo is currently set up with 18 baskets comprising the BSF East course and are all in the short placement.
Wondering which holes we'll play from the am pads? 14 (1000') probably, 9 (Genius hole) perhaps?

Tourney central at the BSF shelter (our regular place)?

[Sausage Fingers]

Should be a great time!

Both BSF layouts play with 8 Ratings Points/Stroke.
We will meet in the usual shelter unless it is reserved.
We will play all holes from the Pro pads except the longest hole to save time.

The light is getting shorter and shorter and this course is long so please be at the shelter ready to fill out the match sheets at 8 am sharp! Please be sure to purchase and display parking passes.:rockon:

:pirate:

[NWDiscer]

Jordan,


Wondering which holes we'll play from the am pads? 9 (Genius hole) perhaps?





did the new upper pad get put in? :jumpspin:

[jevon]

did the new upper pad get put in? :jumpspin:

No. Still dirt.

They aren't all in the short Jeff. The last one in the spiral isn't. 5 or 6?

Are you ready putt this? I shot a 68 yesterday...

[Bullseye]

did the new upper pad get put in? :jumpspin:

FYI: This is most likely NEVER gonna happen.

[NWDiscer]

FYI: This is most likely NEVER gonna happen.

ehh im just boosting my post count anyway.....:shocked:

:cheers:

[Jeff Hemmerling]

They aren't all in the short Jeff. The last one in the spiral isn't. 5 or 6?It's hole 5. True, but I consider that short placement a very bad joke. :mad:

Are you ready putt this? I shot a 68 yesterday...If you do that again on Sunday, then no!

[Thomas "T" D.]

Thomas "T" D.













On this day after Veterans Day, I am asking for our local disc golf community to come together and help make a shipment of items to the 541st F.S.T. group stationed at a forward post in Afghanistan. A friend of our disc golf commmunity Bill Harpster, has a son who is part of this company that has no PX to buy personal items and items that are basic needs. PLEASE READ THIS LIST AND CONSIDER THE SIMPLE BASIC ITEMS THAT WE TAKE FOR GRANTED EVERYDAY BUT MEAN EVERYTHING TO OUR TROOPS. I WILL BE AT MILO MCIVER FOR TEAM DISC GOLF THIS SATURDAY. IF YOU ARE A SATURDAY TEAM DISC GOLF MEMBER, PLEASE BRING ONE OR MORE OF THE ITEMS LISTED AND MAKE 20 AMERICAN TROOPS FEEL LIKE "HOME"...

stamps and envelopes
snacks (we have a microwave)
Books and Magazines, etc etc
those little drink packets that you stir into water like crystal light, az tea, etc etc
wash cloths
towels
white ankle high socks
deodorant, body was or soap bars
oil free lotion
razor blades
Snacks that will not melt
and something that will help them think of what awaits them when they get home......
If the shipment is sent by the 1st of December, they will have the items by Christmas. If you are a disc golfer, you are able to enjoy playing because of the sacrifices that our American Troops are making for us!!! Show your gratitude to this Unit of soldiers who are one of us. Please dont just read this and think someone else will do it...WE ALL NEED TO DO OUR PART!! See you at Milo McIver this Saturday with boxes to fill for this drive.

[Thomas "T" D.]

I am in need of someone who plays Sunday Team Disc Golf, to help me with donations that are being brought to Sunday's event. If you can collect and hold onto these donations until I can make arrangements to pick them up. If you know me and can give me a hand, I would be most appreciative, Thanks!!

[Bullseye]

I think George Adams collected a number of discs from people just last weekend at Horning's Hideout for this exact purpose. I gave him a box of about 30 discs myself and I know a few other people did as well.

[Sam]

I wouldn't mind collecting these things for you, TD. If anyone wants to donate any of this stuff, I will be sure to get it to TD this coming week.

[George A.]

I think George Adams collected a number of discs from people just last weekend at Horning's Hideout for this exact purpose. I gave him a box of about 30 discs myself and I know a few other people did as well.

You were the only one to donate disc... I don't think he is looking for disc .. But just in case I will bring 1/2 of what you gave me... Amongst the other thing he mentioned

[Stephen.Sines]

huh.

[Jason Philips]

huh.


I see our distractions are working.

[chris7graham]

I see our distractions are working.

:laughing: Dammit Sam Gibson where is the like button!!!

[Lund]

You were the only one to donate disc... I don't think he is looking for disc .. But just in case I will bring 1/2 of what you gave me... Amongst the other thing he mentioned

George I meant to donate a couple discs to your effort and completely forgot until I saw this. Sounds like it is not too late? I'll bring them to Milo Sunday.

[George A.]

Not to late yet waiting on his address he will know soon I hope

[Jason Philips]

Not to late yet waiting on his address hill know soon I hope

Please tell me you are letting someone else write the address on the package? Ha!

[George A.]

Please tell me you are letting someone else write the address on the package? Ha!

Why???

[whalekillah]

From T.D.:
for the 541st F.S.T. group stationed at a forward post in Afghanistan.
Please bring any of the following Items, or a small cash donation that will be used to purchase these items:
stamps and envelopes
snacks (we have a microwave)
Books and Magazines, etc etc
those little drink packets that you stir into water like crystal light, az tea, etc etc
wash cloths
towels
white ankle high socks
deodorant, body wash or soap bars
oil free lotion
razor blades
Snacks that will not melt
If the shipment is sent by the 1st of December, they will have the items by Christmas!

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Milo is currently set up with 18 baskets comprising the BSF East course and are all in the short placement.
Wondering which holes we'll play from the am pads? 14 (1000') probably, 9 (Genius hole) perhaps?Jordan,
Still wondering what pads we're playing this weekend... Thanks!

[Sausage Fingers]

Jordan,
Still wondering what pads we're playing this weekend... Thanks!

Yeah... I went with the TreeLove plan and updated the first post with that information after noticing that I didn't include it in the original post like I intended...

So some people look for the information at the top of the thread and some at the bottom of the thread so I guess I will copy it here too.

Both BSF layouts play with 8 Ratings Points/Stroke.
We will meet in the usual shelter unless it is reserved.
We will play all holes from the Pro pads except the longest hole to save time.

The light is getting shorter and shorter and this course is long so please be at the shelter ready to fill out the match sheets at 8 am sharp! Please be sure to purchase and display parking passes.:rockon:


:pirate:

[Pizzel]

Yeah... I went with the TreeLove plan and updated the first post with that information after noticing that I didn't include it in the original post like I intended...

So some people look for the information at the top of the thread and some at the bottom of the thread so I guess I will copy it here too.

Both BSF layouts play with 8 Ratings Points/Stroke.
We will meet in the usual shelter unless it is reserved.
We will play all holes from the Pro pads except the longest hole to save time.

The light is getting shorter and shorter and this course is long so please be at the shelter ready to fill out the match sheets at 8 am sharp! Please be sure to purchase and display parking passes.:rockon:


:pirate:I am bit worried that the SSA you are basing this week's ratings points per stroke choice isn't accurate. It sounds like we are not playing either of the BSF layouts. Rather, we are playing a modified winter layout on the East Course. If this is correct, the course we are playing should be significantly easier than the BSF East Course in many ways (eg: distance, less OB in play, etc...). I would guess that the SSA for what is in the ground, and playing the AM pad on the long hole, should be around 56. If this is correct, shouldn't we be using a ratings point per stroke of 9 or 10?

[Sausage Fingers]

I am bit worried that the SSA you are basing this week's ratings points per stroke choice isn't accurate. It sounds like we are not playing either of the BSF layouts. Rather, we are playing a modified winter layout on the East Course. If this is correct, the course we are playing should be significantly easier than the BSF East Course in many ways (eg: distance, less OB in play, etc...). I would guess that the SSA for what is in the ground, and playing the AM pad on the long hole, should be around 56. If this is correct, shouldn't we be using a ratings point per stroke of 9 or 10?

Your argument would hold more weight if you knew what the SSA breakdowns were for Ratings Points per Stroke instead of just guessing. The history of what I call Milo Long has the average SSA at 59.32 so we have 1.32 to lose before the SSA drops the RP/S to eight.

I have long wanted to set the RP/S to the actual SSA shot on the course that day, but people have always wanted to know what the RP/S are before the match. In this case we could move the RP/S from 8 to 9 if the course plays easier like you say it will. I am pretty confident that the SSA will be 58.00 or above, thus the 8 RP/S that I have set.

One of the improvements to the score-sheet I have instituted is the ability to change one cell and change the RP/S for either the morning or the afternoon rounds. So you can play with the "What If" scenarios all day long...but most matches do not turn on the 1 RP/S difference.

:pirate:

[Susie Sunshine]

Sunday golfers, bring a cup for some Hot Apple Pie. :cheers::chug:

[Carie CPink]

Your argument would hold more weight if you knew what the SSA breakdowns were for Ratings Points per Stroke instead of just guessing.
:pirate:

Snap, Brother Pinkal. Snap.

[Sausage Fingers]

Sunday golfers, bring a cup for some Hot Apple Pie. :cheers::chug:

Ooh Bagy and HOW! I cannot wait for some awesome Hot Apple Pie!:chug:

:yay::cheerleader::rockon:

:pirate:

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Sunday golfers, bring a cup for some Hot Apple Pie. :cheers::chug:This is just a veiled attempt to get their opponents (Putt This) drunk so they (Vapor Trails) will have an advantage.
We won't fail for it!!!! :mad:

[Pizzel]

Your argument would hold more weight if you knew what the SSA breakdowns were for Ratings Points per Stroke instead of just guessing. The history of what I call Milo Long has the average SSA at 59.32 so we have 1.32 to lose before the SSA drops the RP/S to eight.
Huh......It appears that I was in the right ballpark regarding SSA to rating points per stroke. If my assertion on SSA was correct then my recommendation on ranting points per stroke would be correct (SSA 56 = RPPS 9). So, your argument regarding the weight of my argument just seems dismissive.:nahnah:

FYI: I still stick behind my SSA = 56, though this weekend's weather report is giving me pause. The course is significantly shorter and a few ares of prominent OB have been taken out of play.......though Shawn's Hot Apple Pie could bring those OB lines back into play!

[Susie Sunshine]

This is just a veiled attempt to get their opponents (Putt This) drunk so they (Vapor Trails) will have an advantage.
We won't fail for it!!!! :mad:

Haha!! Nah, just trying to share some tasty treats, and since it's Milo, and that apple pie is gluten free, this weekend seemed perfect for it! :D

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Huh......It appears that I was in the right ballpark regarding SSA to rating points per stroke. If my assertion on SSA was correct then my recommendation on ranting points per stroke would be correct (SSA 56 = RPPS 9). So, your argument regarding the weight of my argument just seems dismissive.:nahnah:

FYI: I still stick behind my SSA = 56, though this weekend's weather report is giving me pause. The course is significantly shorter and a few ares of prominent OB have been taken out of play.......though Shawn's Hot Apple Pie could bring those OB lines back into play!Yeah, I think in good weather it's probably 9rpps but with all the rain forecast it'll be back into the 8rpps range.
Don't worry, we'll dominate anyway...:whistler:

[Sausage Fingers]

Huh......It appears that I was in the right ballpark regarding SSA to rating points per stroke. If my assertion on SSA was correct then my recommendation on ranting points per stroke would be correct (SSA 56 = RPPS 9). So, your argument regarding the weight of my argument just seems dismissive.:nahnah:

FYI: I still stick behind my SSA = 56, though this weekend's weather report is giving me pause. The course is significantly shorter and a few ares of prominent OB have been taken out of play.......though Shawn's Hot Apple Pie could bring those OB lines back into play!

Don't think I didn't see you trying to slip in the 10 RP/S into your first missive...you not so slick!:nono:

Maybe there needs to be an SSA side bet or something...:chinscratch:

:pirate:

[Jason Philips]

Maybe there needs to be an SSA side bet or something...:chinscratch:

Would like to see how this one turns out.




And Hell Yes! to the apple pie. Damn fine way to make a rainy day that much better.

:trophy:

[Jason Philips]

This is the forecast for the National Weather Service based on the location of Milo-

Sunday Rain. High near 51. South wind 15 to 17 mph, with gusts as high as 22 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New precipitation amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible.

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Sunday Rain. High near 51. South wind 15 to 17 mph, with gusts as high as 22 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New precipitation amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible.Translation: WINDY POURING RAIN! ;)

[Sausage Fingers]

Translation: WINDY POURING RAIN! ;)


SOUNDS LIKE TEAM DISC GOLF WEATHER TO ME!!!!:cheerleader::rockon::cheerleader:

:pirate:

[George A.]

SOUNDS LIKE TEAM DISC GOLF WEATHER TO ME!!!!:cheerleader::rockon::cheerleader:

:pirate:

It's about time

[Lund]

Snap, Brother Pinkal. Snap.

Wait he is your brother? I knew it...she is both of your's mom!

[TheDMZ]

Wait he is your brother? I knew it...she is both of your's mom!

Lund for the WIN!
Hot apple pie for the WIN!
Heavy wind and rain for the WIN!
I love team disc golf!

[chris7graham]

Lost blue esp nuke on 17 east bsf layout in bushes on left just short of basket

[TreeLove]

...The course is significantly shorter and a few ares of prominent OB have been taken out of play...

Please elaborate. I don't have the luxury of previewing the course. Would you please confirm these pin settings are correct?

First of all, this will be using the hole numbering from last year's BSF. (I heard a rumor that they are going to renumber the East side, so that the starting hole for the East is more gallery-friendly. Meaning last year's East 18 becomes next year's East 1.) But for now, I am using the "old" numbering (where East 1 tees off from behind the bathroom):

# -- length -- relative position

BSF1E: short = left (straighter, shorter shot)
BSF2E: short = left (at the top of the slope, shorter shot, not up on the plateau)
BSF3E: short = left (straight, behind the huge tree, no sharp turn to the right)
BSF4E: short = short (same shot, just one less big tree to get past)
BSF5E: short = right (straighter shot, no dog leg left at the end)
BSF6E: short = right (out in the field, not tucked left in big trees, about the same length?)
BSF7E: short = left (is that crazy pin no longer used, tucked left short?)
BSF8E: ony one pin I know of
BSF9E: is there a pin off to the right of the lone tree? is it shorter? (Genius)
BSF10E: short = left (not on bark nugget island in the parking lot)
BSF11E: ony one pin I know of
BSF12E: short? = left? I hear there is a new pin short of the island in the parking lot?
BSF13E: short = left
BSF14E: short = right pin (triple trunk), the only short pad in TDG, "1/4 mile"
BSF15E: short = left, short of the "nipple"?
BSF16E: short = left (the combined hole)
BSF17E: only one pin that I know of
BSF18E: only one pin that I know of

Is that about right? Does the BSF use all long pins? I would say not: when Val eagled the quarter-miler, the pin was in the triple-trunk (short). I do wonder what the difference in SSA will be. I suppose if the SSA is lower such that the RPS is off, that will benefit the lower-rated players and teams, since they will get more "help" than the course demands? So I looked up the team rating difference for Pizzel's match:

Putt This!: 7637
Vapor Trails: 7146
difference: 491

for comparison, I did my own match:
The Good, The Bad, & The Sassy: 7278
Green Bowl Packers: 7256
difference: 22

So I guess it boils down to: "will the current course play more than 1.32 shots easier than the BSF course?" Lower-rated teams are hoping so!

PS: I am in the camp of the RPS being set before the match. As fair as dynamic RPS might be (using the SSA that was shot that day to determine the RPS and therefore the handicaps AFTER the fact), I don't like that you can not strategize nearly as effectively, since you don't really know what anyone's handicap is going to be. While I live for the flight of the disc like any of us, I truly enjoy the strategy element of Team Disc Golf as well. In addition, knowing where you are in your match, and knowing how hard you must press, adds a thrill to each round for me.

[Lund]

Please elaborate. I don't have the luxury of previewing the course. Would you please confirm these pin settings are correct?

BSF1E: short = left (straighter, shorter shot). Correct
BSF2E: short = left (at the top of the slope, shorter shot, not up on the plateau). Correct
BSF3E: short = left (straight, behind the huge tree, no sharp turn to the right). Correct
BSF4E: short = short (same shot, just one less big tree to get past). Correct
BSF5E: short = right (straighter shot, no dog leg left at the end). Correct? Is in the more common placement used in tournys on slope next to big tree.
BSF6E: short = right (out in the field, not tucked left in big trees, about the same length?). No this one is in the little grove (left).
BSF7E: short = left (is that crazy pin no longer used, tucked left short?). No it is in the typical long placement.
BSF8E: ony one pin I know of. Correct.
BSF9E: is there a pin off to the right of the lone tree? is it shorter? (Genius). It is in the normal placement left of tree, not the mythical future longer placement.
BSF10E: short = left (not on bark nugget island in the parking lot). Correct (in the shortest of all 3 placements) Not BSF bark nugget island not the slighly raised green
BSF11E: ony one pin I know of. Correct
BSF12E: short? = left? I hear there is a new pin short of the island in the parking lot? correct and = the placement used last year during TDG
BSF13E: short = left. This one is behind big the fir tree with branches and needles all the way to the ground that is between basket and next tee.
BSF14E: short = right pin (triple trunk), the only short pad in TDG, "1/4 mile". Correct
BSF15E: short = left, short of the "nipple"? Correct
BSF16E: short = left (the combined hole) Correct the basket is out in the open
BSF17E: only one pin that I know of. Correct
BSF18E: only one pin that I know of. Correct



The above is as of yesterday.

[TreeLove]

Thanks, Lundy, I did not know anyone would even have the patience to READ my post, let alone RESPOND. Thanks again!

[Stephen.Sines]

Repond

[couve discer]

Let me know who you want me to give it to
I play Saturday team golf
Josh
360-910-5263
Lost blue esp nuke on 17 east bsf layout in bushes on left just short of basket

[Carie CPink]

What a lovely day of golf...too bad my game didn't agree with the fantastic weather!

I left behind Jason's beloved BSF Huk-brella around Hole 10 (the one by the open restrooms) or hole 11. Please let me if you picked it up....I'll bake you some tasty treats for the next Team Golf weekend.

Thanks,
Carie

[jdinteg]

Let me know who you want me to give it to
I play Saturday team golf
Josh
360-910-5263

Josh,
I'll see Chris Graham Monday night. Let me know if I can get that from you Monday Before 5:30pm

[all2common]

Left behind a 2008 BSF glo teebird. Name and number are on it. It definitely didn't rain as hard as it was supposed to today.

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Sunday result:
Putt This! 10
Vapor Trails 2

[whalekillah]

lucky Sunday teams. It rained on us all day.

[Jeff Hemmerling]

I neglected to give my donations for the troops to anyone on Sunday. Who should I give it to at this point? Vince? Thomas? George? Sam?
I live/work in Beaverton. I will be at Jordan's tonight (Monday).

[NWDiscer]

I neglected to give my donations for the troops to anyone on Sunday. Who should I give it to at this point? Vince? Thomas? George? Sam?
I live/work in Beaverton. I will be at Jordan's tonight (Monday).



go swing by lunchtime they are doing another event for the troops today

[NWDiscer]

heres the link http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9833

[chris7graham]

Left behind a 2008 BSF glo teebird. Name and number are on it. It definitely didn't rain as hard as it was supposed to today.

Jordan lewis has this disc

[TreeLove]

go swing by lunchtime they are doing another event for the troops today

heres the link http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9833

I'm afraid that was yesterday...

[NWDiscer]

I'm afraid that was yesterday...


:headbang: :slapface: some day i might learn to tell days apart. i almost did the same thing as Jeff but managed to hook up with DB before leaving Milo on Sat :D

[Sausage Fingers]

Milo Winter
11/18/2012

Good, Bad & Sassy 8.5
Green Bowl Packers 6.5

Putt This! 11
Vapor Trails 4

Darkhorse 7.5
Rockwood Roughnecks 6.5

Big Winds 6
GripLok 9

Team Skinny 9.5
Discrupters 2.5


:pirate:

[chris7graham]

Josh,
I'll see Chris Graham Monday night. Let me know if I can get that from you Monday Before 5:30pm

Ok who has my disc??????

[couve discer]

Ok who has my disc??????

chis I was out of town today so i still have it

[Tim Price]

Hey Jordan,

I noticed on two matches (putt this vs vapor trails, darkhorse vs rockwood) that you gave the wrong team the winner point.

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Hey Jordan,

I noticed on two matches (putt this vs vapor trails, darkhorse vs rockwood) that you gove the wrong team the winner point.Noticed an error on the Dark Horse vs Rockwood score.
The morning doubles winner was incorrect (in red) and that changes the match score to tied.
Then down to strokes and Dark Horse still wins. Please verify.

And I agree with what Tim said too ;).

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Noticed an error on the Dark Horse vs Rockwood score.
The morning doubles winner was incorrect (in red) and that changes the match score to tied.Nevermind...
The reason the score is in red is because ROCKWOOD FORFEITED THE DOUBLES.

[Sausage Fingers]

Hey Jordan,

I noticed on two matches (putt this vs vapor trails, darkhorse vs rockwood) that you gave the wrong team the winner point.

Thanks Tim. I haven't had the gumption to look at the results closely yet, it may be an error in the spreadsheet. I'll try to check into that tonight after I get my fantasy football lineup set.

:pirate:

[Sausage Fingers]

Thanks Tim. I haven't had the gumption to look at the results closely yet, it may be an error in the spreadsheet. I'll try to check into that tonight after I get my fantasy football lineup set.

:pirate:

Awesome catch Tim!:rockon::bowing::yay:

I need to adopt a habit of marking in red anytime I change the spreadsheet manually to correct a one-time error. The two cells indeed had static values in them. I will make the changes and re-upload the files this week. Thanks for your keen eye.

:pirate: