Official oregon team disc golf thread

[Sausage Fingers]

OFFICIAL OREGON TEAM DISC GOLF SCHEDULE 2012-13
WEEK 1
Sunday October 7th - Saturday League plays at N Bonneville - 8x CSL 9aTee
Sunday October 7th - Sunday league plays at Sorosis - 8x CSL 9aTee
WEEK 2
Saturday October 20th at Sorosis - 8x CSL 9aTee
Sunday October 21st at North Bonneville - 8x CSL 9aTee
WEEK 3
Saturday November 3rd at Hornings Canyon – 8x CSL 9aTee
Sunday November 4th at Hornings Canyon – 8a CSL 8xTee
WEEK 4
Saturday November 17th at Milo regular layout – 8a CSL 8xTee
Sunday November 18th at Milo regular layout – 8a CSL 8xTee
WEEK 5
Saturday December 1st at Pier – 8a CSL 8xTee
Sunday December 2nd at Pier – 8a CSL 8xTee
WEEK 6
Saturday December 8th at Dabney – 8a CSL 8xTee
Sunday December 9th at Dabney – 8a CSL 8xTee
WEEK 7
Saturday December 29th at Timber – 8a CSL 8xTee
Sunday December 30th at Timber – 8a CSL 8xTee
WEEK 8
Saturday January 12th at Pier – 8a CSL 8xTee
Sunday January 13th at Pier – 8a CSL 8xTee
WEEK 9
Saturday January 26th at Milo regular layout – 8x CSL 9aTee
Sunday January 27th at Milo regular layout – 8x CSL 9aTee
Playoffs
Saturday February 9th at Trojan – 8x CSL 9aTee
Sunday February 10th at Trojan – 8x CSL 9aTee
Championships
Sunday February 24th: McIver State Park BSF layout – 8x CSL 9aTee

Week 1 both Leagues will play on Sunday at different parks. Week 2 each League plays on their day of the week at different parks. From Week 3 on, each League plays on their day of the week at the same park.
The Championships will be decided on the last Sunday of Febraury with two rounds on the BSF layout thanks to the awesome peeps at Milo McIver State Park.

NORTH DIVISION

Putt It In Your Mouth
Zach Richer...1007
Tim (Timbo) Wenrich...943
Jared Brown...1000
Larry Bachlor...1000
Brandon Gundlach...1000
Paul (Chip) Workmen...1000
Matt Hollenbach...1000
John Kontansky...1000

Disc Golf or Die
Dan Brown Sr...907
Chris Schaich...935
Mike Gordon...883
Andy Verhoeven...952
Michelle Sawyer...667
Vince Epker...950
Mike Myers...940
Josh Marcella...817

Oregon Disc & Wildlife
Dan Denny...939
Jeremiah Jones...948
Doug Saulter...982
Lonell Greene...903
Patrick Darr...952
Jeff Elliot...954
Brian Riley...1000
Joe Garrettson...954

Young Guns
Matt Owens...942
Danny Brown Jr...932
Zach Beltz...927
Josh Dearing...870
Andy Larson...929
Erin Reichel...829
Shae Corville...906
Chris Owens...1000

Born2BFly
Justin Gaston...925
Ryan Tech...963
Jerry (No Shoes) Kirkland...864
Mark Johansen...791
David Bill Daviau...1000
Ryan Reynolds...1000
Jeremy (Unit) Sines...952
David Waters...1000

SOUTH DIVISION

OREgrown
Harrison Hogan...853
Kyle Lorts...922
Mitch Bennett...893
Mike Hills...1000
Ashley Bakkensen...1000
Nate Reynolds...1000
Kevin O'Connor...1000
Ingmar Kerem...1000

Hylton Baskets
Matt Hylton...901
Thomas Deen....884
Chris Francis...848
Ian Clark-Williams...1000
James Fuller...1000
Eric Medley...898
Laura Jarvis...763
Kevin Rivera...791

Droppin Deuces
Josh Pierce...928
Myk Nemeth...959
Mark Lawrence...951
Adin Nelson...917
Bo Hicks...1000
Matt Uhacz...911
Nate (Fella) Salvon...953
Adrian (Kermie) Maldonado...1000

Chain Damage
Anthony Chivers...874
Dax Osborne...938
Jeremy Beckwith...945
Jim Goss...942
Nate Clark...958
Ryan Elston...947
Travis Head...954
Denny Gates...923

Dancing Cows
Scott Searles...949
Carl T. Thorne...931
Dustin Clark...943
Dallas Landry...969
Murray Prictor...943
Tim Helgeson...996
Virgil Ackerman...907
Chris Jones...945

N Bonne on 10/7/2012
Sunday
Dancing Cows Vs Putt It In Your Mouth
OREgrown Vs Disc Golf or Die
Oregon Disc & Wildlife Vs Born2BFly
Droppin Deuces Vs Hylton Baskets
Young Guns Vs Chain Damage

EAST DIVISION

Green Bowl Packers
Tom Rybloom 972
Damon Rybloom 1000
Andrew Shaggy 989
Kevin Madrid 966
Renee Madrid 1000
Mike Rybloom 924
Chris Dahmen 1000
Dan Dulaney 956

Good, Bad & Sassy
Jordan Lewis 927
Gawain Stern 904
James Garcelon 833
Chris Graham 910
Sam Gibson 951
Teresa Trueba-Embree 892
Tom Embree 989
Jessica Poffenroth 666

Putt This!
Jeff Hemmerling 929
Carie Coleman 898
Jason Pinkal 996
Jeff Hagerty 974
Sean Benson 939
Stan Herzog 936
Stuart Hicks 943
Tim Price 911

Vapor Trails
George Adams 910
Brent Bissett 916
Eric Wilberscheid 940
Jevon Schooley 882
Joe Wesley 934
Roger Anderson 907
Shawn Wilberscheid 738
Tom Mocerino 919

Team Skinny
Denny Axmacher 980
Rachel Hermansen 883
Kyle Robinson 955
Isaac Aasen 957
Stephen Sines 945
Carson Wilson 978
Kirsten Voyer 817
Celeste Scandiffio 777

WEST DIVISION

Rockwood Roughnecks
Mike Niemi 988
Brody Miller 1004
Debbie Niemi 790
Eddie Florance 971
Joe Armijo 965
Ryan Williams 962
Zach Murphy 974
Sean Phillips 1007

GripLok
David Zimmerman 884
Amber Cochran 815
Chad Carter 898
Darin McCoy 905
Joel Jones 905
Crist Garcia 952
Nick Marshall 934
Jamie Brown 831

Darkhorse
Eric Lund 951
Ben Determan 834
David Hanley 943
Justin Hiatt 919
Dan'l Langer 1000
Scott McMullen 936
Riley Williams 906
Dan'l Zents 970

Big Winds
Victor Cervantes 982
Brandon Hansell 952
Jeff Heider 890
Max Dimmick 898
John Hajicek 923
Nick Hajicek 946
Rebecca Tobias 823
Jessie Ziegler 823

Discrupters
Wes Hansen 909
Vaughn Hansen 1000
Steve Sunnes 899
Dare Sunnes 904
Roz Sunnes 1000
Claude Koch 882
John McCormick 1000
Jason Andrews 750

Sorosis on 10/7/2012
Sunday
Discrupters Vs Green Bowl Packers
Rockwood Roughnecks Vs Good, Bad & Sassy
Putt This! Vs Team Skinny
Darkhorse Vs GripLok
Vapor Trails Vs Big Winds

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[murray the brit]

Moo lets get it on and thank you for all your hard work :rockon::rockon:

[jdinteg]

Saturdays locked and loaded. Thanks for leading this motley crew Jordan. Hope I can take the pressure off this year and let you have more fun, you've earned it!

[TheDMZ]

Saturdays locked and loaded. Thanks for leading this motley crew Jordan. Hope I can take the pressure off this year and let you have more fun, you've earned it!

WORD!

:yay::yay::yay:

[whalekillah]

Thanks for all the hard work!!! You rock commish!!

[Jeff Hemmerling]

See what kind of fun posts I can make when I have data...You're killing me Jordan. What are the Sunday divisions and first week match-ups?? ;)

Of course, thanks for everything! Looking forward to Monday Night Football... :):):)

[PDX_Stu]

Oh darn, I am going to miss the Niners \ Bills game. Jets are better
than the Bills right :) Go SF Giants.

[chris7graham]

You're killing me Jordan. What are the Sunday divisions and first week match-ups?? ;)

Of course, thanks for everything! Looking forward to Monday Night Football... :):):)

He needs all of the Sunday roosters before he could post anything.

[George A.]

Who's missing????

[Lund]

Who's missing????

Rockwood
Big Winds
Discrupters

[George A.]

Are you kidding me ... I'm on it

[chris7graham]

Rockwood
Big Winds
Discrupters

BIG WINDS

# Last Name First Name Rating Method
Big Winds
1 Cervantes Victor 982 PDGA
2 Dimmick Max 952 Team Golf
3 Hajicek Nick 946 Team Golf
4 Hajicek John 923 Team Golf
5 Hansell Brandon 952 PDGA
6 Heider Jeff 890 PDGA
7 Tobias Rebecca 823 PDGA
8 Ziegler Jessie 823 PDGA

[Sausage Fingers]

Rockwood
Big Winds
Discrupters

I got the call from Camo.:yay:

We are 1 roster for the Discrupters and an 8th player for Green Bowl Packers away from starting this thing.

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[TheDMZ]

I got the call from Camo.:yay:

We are 1 roster for the Discrupters and an 8th player for Green Bowl Packers away from starting this thing.

:pirate:

Much love to Jordan!
Thank you for all your hard work!
Team Disc Golf is the best part of the local disc golf community!
Does someone have Hans Wesson's number?
We need to get this shit figured out soon people!

[Stephen.Sines]

^Spam^

:)

[Kevin Madrid]

I got the call from Camo.:yay:

We are 1 roster for the Discrupters and an 8th player for Green Bowl Packers away from starting this thing.

:pirate:

Mr. Commissioner Sir :cop: ,

8th spot has been filled...

DC Dan! Yeah boy!

Kevin :cool2:

GBP! GBP! GBP!

[Sausage Fingers]

After a little ratings juggling and lineup changes I have updated the post above with the full league's starting lineup and ratings.

The SSA for both Sorosis (50.5) and North Bonneville (51.9) will result in 10 Ratings Points per Stroke on Sunday. Let's hope for nice weather and a beautiful drive in the gorge.

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[chris7graham]

After a little ratings juggling and lineup changes I have updated the post above with the full league's starting lineup and ratings.

:pirate:

:rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::r ockon::bowing:

[Lund]

NORTH DIVISION


Sorosis on 10/7/2012
Sunday
Discrupters Vs Green Bowl Packers
Rockwood Roughnecks Vs Good, Bad & Sassy
Putt This! Vs Team Skinny
Darkhorse Vs GripLok
Vapor Trails Vs Big Winds

:pirate:

Awesome, Jordan. Second team listed is home team?

[Sausage Fingers]

Awesome, Jordan. Second team listed is home team?

Yes!

:pirate:

[Darr]

NORTH DIVISION


Darkhorse
Eric Lund 951
Ben Determan 834
David Hanley 943
Justin Hiatt 919
Dan'l Langer 1000
Scott McMullen 936
Riley Williams 906
Dan'l Zents 970


Darkhorse should be called team "Nestle" :whistler:

[Lund]

Darkhorse should be called team "Nestle" :whistler:

Like nestle under the basket or Nestle like the Good Food, Good Life ?

[Darr]

Like nestle under the basket or Nestle like the Good Food, Good Life ?

Nestle under the basket. Like Hanley and Hiatt say, Nestle!

[Sausage Fingers]

And we are back in business!:yay:

There is still a spot open on the new team if you know anybody who didn't get to play this year. Talk to Josh Dearing about getting in touch with OTDG's newest captain Zach Richer.

WEEK ONE

N Bonne on 10/7/2012
SSA 51.9 = 10 Ratings Points/Stroke

Dancing Cows Vs Putt It In Your Mouth
OREgrown Vs Disc Golf or Die
Oregon Disc & Wildlife Vs Born2BFly
Droppin Deuces Vs Hylton Baskets
Young Guns Vs Chain Damage

Sorosis on 10/7/2012
SSA 50.5 = 10 Ratings Points/Stroke

Discrupters Vs Green Bowl Packers
Rockwood Roughnecks Vs Good, Bad & Sassy
Putt This! Vs Team Skinny
Darkhorse Vs GripLok
Vapor Trails Vs Big Winds

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[Darr]

Now that we have 8 person teams and the possibility of 4 dubs taking place in 1 match, is it still a requirement to play a singles match for your dubs points to count?

[Sausage Fingers]

Now that we have 8 person teams and the possibility of 4 dubs taking place in 1 match, is it still a requirement to play a singles match for your dubs points to count?

yes, so that would require all 8 to play both rounds each getting 1 singles and one doubles match...or peeps who played singles in the am could sit out i guess.

old GBP rule: you can't hide a player in dubs

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[chris7graham]

Good Bad Sassy owned Rockwood :shocked::yay::slapface::trophy::rockon:

[Stephen.Sines]

so true.

[Sam]

Just a thought, but... do we really need to have 7-somes on the course? Can we go back to the method we used last year where the extra singles people played on a card with others from other teams? I mean... I was able to update my Facebook and check sports scores... during the 20 minute wait on each hole... and that is fun and all... but I would rather golf more.

Just a thought...

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Just a thought, but... do we really need to have 7-somes on the course? Can we go back to the method we used last year where the extra singles people played on a card with others from other teams? I mean... I was able to update my Facebook and check sports scores... during the 20 minute wait on each hole... and that is fun and all... but I would rather golf more.Yeah, I'm embarassed that we had a group of 7-8 players each round. :mad:
If all the eighth players who can play don't fit on the course with only foursomes then none of them can play. This is pretty ridiculous...

Note to Jordan: More is not better.

[Sausage Fingers]

Just a thought, but... do we really need to have 7-somes on the course? Can we go back to the method we used last year where the extra singles people played on a card with others from other teams? I mean... I was able to update my Facebook and check sports scores... during the 20 minute wait on each hole... and that is fun and all... but I would rather golf more.

Just a thought...
Yeah, I'm embarassed that we had a group of 7-8 players each round. :mad:
If all the eighth players who can play don't fit on the course with only foursomes then none of them can play. This is pretty ridiculous...

Note to Jordan: More is not better.

Either one of you are MORE THAN WELCOME to come up to the TD table and make this happen. If your time off in the parking lot or warming up on the course is more important than fixing this travesty of justice and you'd just rather whine and complain about it, then it is what it is. BE the change you want to see...

PS Funny how we got done early even with this travesty of justice...:yawn:

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[Lund]

I can say that all of us Darkhorses would much rather play in an 8some as opposed to sitting a round, especially after making the trek out to some of the farther courses like Sorosis.

Question for other players or captains: Will you consider sitting out the bonus match altogether if you have the "extra" players at the course but get the lineup card and don't like the matchup?

Perhaps we were lucky this week that Zimmerman and Griplok agreed up front that they would also play all 8 players during both rounds (thanks Dave and/or you are welcome:). I do not look forward to picking who we will list in those optional slots knowing that they will have to wait and see and let the other team decide whether they play. Yes I will put my name there as much as possible but it would still stink.

[jdinteg]

Either one of you are MORE THAN WELCOME to come up to the TD table and make this happen. If your time off in the parking lot or warming up on the course is more important than fixing this travesty of justice and you'd just rather whine and complain about it, then it is what it is. BE the change you want to see...

PS Funny how we got done early even with this travesty of justice...:yawn:

:pirate:

I too was concerned about speed of play in the beginning. But the two sets of doubles (8-people on one tee pad) actually seemed to move faster then 4-singles. Playing the best shot, and picking up the bad one moves pretty quick against; Crap, how do I get out of this shot?

We Started at 9:02am and 1:02pm. I had Finished, scores in, chatted with everyone, took a bathroom break at the gas station, and driving west by 4:30pm.

IMHO: I do think I am a fan of 7-person teams. It seems to flow nicely, keeps the people per tee pad down, and gives you more flexibility to avoid forcing everyone to play 1-singles and 1-dubs. Currently, if both teams field 8 people, each player plays 1-dubs and 1-singles per day. Though the 8-people playing Dubs moves quickly, it is embarrassing to me to have 8 on a pad. I feel it is bad golf etiquette, but unavoidable in this configuration.

[Jeff Hemmerling]

I can say that all of us Darkhorses would much rather play in an 8some as opposed to sitting a round, especially after making the trek out to some of the farther courses like Sorosis.Another way to frame this issue is: When did herd golf become acceptable?
We, as experienced golfers, are supposed to set a good example.
And yes, I am willing to help avoid this travesty. ;)

Question for other players or captains: Will you consider sitting out the bonus match altogether if you have the "extra" players at the course but get the lineup card and don't like the matchup?Yes.

[NWDiscer]

s.

Question for other players or captains: Will you consider sitting out the bonus match altogether if you have the "extra" players at the course but get the lineup card and don't like the matchup?



98% of the time NOPE :whistler:

i mean maybe if the weathers decent and i have a chance to chase salmonoids instead maybe ;)

[DanD]

The speed of play probably had a lot to do with where you were at on the course. We had a three card pile up waiting on a 7some during the afternoon round.

[TheDMZ]

I played in an 8-some doubles card in the morning, and we were moving fairly quickly. This was possible because of the short relatively easy course and excellent weather; not to mention very skilled players. This will become a problem once the weather changes and we begin to play longer more difficult courses. The only solution is to ghost the extra players (if we have a full 80 playing) or fill in the gaps with the extras.
As for Mr. Lund's question concerning sitting out people if the match-up is unfavorable. I would be inclined to do it if it was obvious and could cost us the match. But this will vary from week to week and course to course. But if the ability to do so exsists and other teams are taking advantage of this strategy then it would be foolish to not examine this as an option.

[TreeLove]

OK slow down folks, and do some math: There is an easy way to do this with groups no larger than four: The answer is ghost groups.

18 holes x 4 players = 72 players.
Max # of players if EVERYONE shows up AND plays = 80 players.

Solution: No groups larger than a foursome = use up to two ghost groups if need be.

While ghost groups will inevitably slow the play some, the slowdowns are distributed across the course, so that no wait is ever very long, and no huge gaps of open holes develop. I think ghost groups will produce a smoother flow of play than will groups larger than four players.

If you start your ghost groups on short easy holes that follow long difficult holes, then the slowdown is minimal. Also, start the ghost groups well apart from each other.

How will I help as opposed to just taking pot shots? I will be more than happy to assist in filling out score cards, designating starting hole assignments, etc. See you at the next CSL!

[Jeff Hemmerling]

OK slow down folks, and do some math: There is an easy way to do this with groups no larger than four: The answer is ghost groups.

18 holes x 4 players = 72 players.
Max # of players if EVERYONE shows up AND plays = 80 players.

Solution: No groups larger than a foursome = use up to two ghost groups if need be.Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner! :)
Thanks Treelove for the sanity check and excellent idea. I'm in.

[Stephen.Sines]

OK slow down folks, and do some math: There is an easy way to do this with groups no larger than four: The answer is ghost groups.

18 holes x 4 players = 72 players.
Max # of players if EVERYONE shows up AND plays = 80 players.

Solution: No groups larger than a foursome = use up to two ghost groups if need be.

While ghost groups will inevitably slow the play some, the slowdowns are distributed across the course, so that no wait is ever very long, and no huge gaps of open holes develop. I think ghost groups will produce a smoother flow of play than will groups larger than four players.

If you start your ghost groups on short easy holes that follow long difficult holes, then the slowdown is minimal. Also, start the ghost groups well apart from each other.

How will I help as opposed to just taking pot shots? I will be more than happy to assist in filling out score cards, designating starting hole assignments, etc. See you at the next CSL!

I will fully stand behind this. 6 people to a pad for myself is not a fond thought
either ghost groups or have mixed teams playing singles matches. :headbang:

[couve discer]

when all 8 show up couldn't you have 2 cards of 6 and 1 card of 4 instead of 8 man groups
2 dubs teams and 2 singles
2 dubs teams and 2 singles
4 singles

[jdinteg]

Yep, that could work too.

[beccat]

Is it posted somewhere which teams play against each other each week? I can't seem to find it here. What's the Yahoo link? Thanks!

[Lund]

Is it posted somewhere which teams play against each other each week? I can't seem to find it here. What's the Yahoo link? Thanks!

The yahoo site: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/teamdiscgolf/

You can also now find that information on the "schedule and results" page of the new www.teamdiscgolf.com website.

[NWDiscer]

seriously the ratings are gonna jump like that all year????? :bricks::eek:

[Sausage Fingers]

I had to rework all of the files from last year and haven't had a chance to go over each rating and round, but it looked pretty decent as the SSA was very close to what has been shot in the past at each course.

It is possible that there are errors and/or missing player rounds etc. so it will help me out if every captain (at least!) checks the stats to make sure that nothing is wrong or missing.

I will probably have to make some minor changes since I am sure that there are some errors in all of the look-up calls in all of the different files and tabs.

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[Jeff Hemmerling]

seriously the ratings are gonna jump like that all year????? No. It's just because we've only got one week's data. After week one your starting rating got averaged with your week one rounds so it was easy to make big jumps.

The rating is the average of your starting rating (except people who defaulted to 1000) and all your round ratings. So as the season goes by there will be less and less change each week. Just like last year.

[Sausage Fingers]

No. It's just because we've only got one week's data. After week one your starting rating got averaged with your week one rounds so it was easy to make big jumps.

The rating is the average of your starting rating (except people who defaulted to 1000) and all your round ratings. So as the season goes by there will be less and less change each week. Just like last year.

Actually since the cell that initially held the 1000 ratings is included in the total ratings (and setting it to zero would result in an error) for these players I have entered their ratings as determined by the rounds they shot in the first event.

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[TreeLove]

It looks like there is an error with Chris Voyer in: http://ortdg.weebly.com/rosters--ratings.html

He started at 1000, shot one round of 969, but has a new rating of 968.

I think the problem stemmed from the change of his starting rating. It looks like it was changed from 1000 to 967, but should have been changed to 969, resulting in a new rating of 969, after his round of 969.

If I were a TDG player, and I am, I would double check all my stats each time new stats are published. Oh, and I did. Now I suggest you do the same, TDG players!

[Sausage Fingers]

It looks like there is an error with Chris Voyer in: http://ortdg.weebly.com/rosters--ratings.html

He started at 1000, shot one round of 969, but has a new rating of 968.

I think the problem stemmed from the change of his starting rating. It looks like it was changed from 1000 to 967, but should have been changed to 969, resulting in a new rating of 969, after his round of 969.

If I were a TDG player, and I am, I would double check all my stats each time new stats are published. Oh, and I did. Now I suggest you do the same, TDG players!

Thanks for the heads up!:yay: That sounds like a keyboarding error on my part.:headbang: I'll double check it when I get home tonight.:posting:

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[TreeLove]

Could the contents of Post #5 please be moved into post #1? meaning, Jordan, would you mind please mind copying, editing, and pasting, and deleting to make that happen?

It would be mighty convenient if all that vital info could always be found in the OP.

(I don't know why I didn't think of it sooner, but it would be quite useful if TDs would simply keep updating their OP Post #1 with all the vital event info as it develops. Even throughout the course of a series or league. Weekly info could be added each week as it becomes available. That way readers would not have to comb through pages of chatter that inevitably gets posted below the OP. Explicitly, I mean by using the Edit button that appears on the post only when you are logged in to the site.)

[Sausage Fingers]

Could the contents of Post #5 please be moved into post #1? meaning, Jordan, would you mind please mind copying, editing, and pasting, and deleting to make that happen?

It would be mighty convenient if all that vital info could always be found in the OP.

(I don't know why I didn't think of it sooner, but it would be quite useful if TDs would simply keep updating their OP Post #1 with all the vital event info as it develops. Even throughout the course of a series or league. Weekly info could be added each week as it becomes available. That way readers would not have to comb through pages of chatter that inevitably gets posted below the OP. Explicitly, I mean by using the Edit button that appears on the post only when you are logged in to the site.)

I can do that (and did) but if you think that data will be updated each event then you are about to be sadly disappointed...

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[TreeLove]

when all 8 show up couldn't you have 2 cards of 6 and 1 card of 4 instead of 8 man groups
2 dubs teams and 2 singles
2 dubs teams and 2 singles
4 singles

That would work, but what I am talking about is NO MORE THAN FOUR PLAYERS ON A CARD PERIOD EVER.

Meaning, depending on turnout, you may have up to two ghost groups.

*) Grab a match sheet. Fill a scorecard with four players, at first it will likely be two singles contests. Keep filling out new cards, working your way through the match sheet. Fill each card with 4 players, it does not matter whether one doubles contest (4 players), or two singles contests (4 players). Treat a Cali player as 2 players for the sake of this exercise.

*) If your last card has 2 players on it already, and your next contest is doubles, set that card aside, and use a new card for the doubles contest. Use the card you set aside for the next singles contest you encounter. You should never have more than one card set aside.

*) When you run out of players on that match sheet, grab the next match sheet. Keep adding players to scorecards, 4 at a time. Don't start a new card if you your last one has 2 players on it. Just add a singles contest from your new match sheet. It's OK for two contests from different matches to be taking place on the same card.

*) Obviously, if you run out of singles contests, use one card for each remaining doubles contest.

*) Obviously, if you run out of doubles contests, fill out cards with two singles contests each.

*) If you end up with more than 18 cards, use ghost groups. Select one or two short holes that are far from each other. Preferably, choose short holes that come right after long holes. Assign 2 cards each to those holes, for example: "group 16", and "group 16G" (G for ghost). Group 16 will tee off on 16 at the start horn. Group 16G will tee off as soon as group 16 holes out. If group 15 arrives before 16G tees off, which they probably won't, they must wait for group 16G to finish hole 16 before they tee off. The wait won't be long.

*) If you can, put slower groups on those long holes that precede the ghost holes. That way, the waits they impose will be overwith early, and the ghost holes will flow even more smoothly.

*) Hold a player's meeting. Don't give out cards until the meeting is done. Explain the ghost group system. Use a 2-minute warning and a start signal. Remind folks:

* You get 3 minutes to look for a lost disc. The group must help look if you ask. Ask.
* If you throw a shot that looks like it might get lost, throw a provisional shot right away, as opposed to walking down the hole, looking with your group, running out of time, walking all the way back to your previous lie, and re-throwing. The provisional will save time, since if the original shot is lost, the player won't need to return to the previous lie and throw, instead, they just use the provisional shot (with the usual penalty). Of course, if the original shot is found, it must be played, and the provisional is picked up and ignored. (Also, teach players to use provisionals if the group can't agree on a ruling, don't hold up the entire field trying to find an official or outsider to rule. Have the player complete the hole under both scenarios, record both scores, and, as a group, ask the TD to rule after the round.)

Using ghost groups is the most efficient way to overfill a course. It minimizes wait times for all groups involved. Remember: it will work no matter what the turnout. There can't be more than 80 players, so you will never need more than 20 cards, and you won't ever need more than 4 players on a card.

Josh: I hope this detailed breakdown helps. Good luck with your Saturday herds! The challenge to keep groups flowing gets ever greater as the season continues, due to lack of daylight, inclement conditions, length and difficulty of courses, etc. I am confident that with these techniques, your skills in managing flow will outpace the opposing factors, keeping your Conference playing smoothly all season!

[TreeLove]

I can do that (and did) but if you think that data will be updated each event then you are about to be sadly disappointed...

:pirate:

All I am saying is if you are going to post vitals, edit your OP and put them in there. I don't care if you don't post anything at all, but if you do, would you please post add it to the OP. That goes for all TDs. If you don't you don't, but it did not hurt to ask, and it seems to me like an equal amount of effort.

Again, I don't care if you don't post anything. We all know where to look, and we all know how hard it is to find what you need - hell, I WROTE the damn spreadsheets. But what I wonder is, if that's the case, why did you post anything at all? Intentional or not, it is going to set an expectation with readers. Why not simply post a hyperlink, and send folks to the website from day one? Hell, if you did that, they probably wouldn't answer back with a million questions and comments, like we already have! No answers would mean no questions (or at least they would die off after a while)...

[TreeLove]

I think is the most beneficial solution for all, is to continue to streamline efficiency. The faster and easier we can make it to enter data, make calculations, and post information, the easier it will be for all.

Honestly, Excel and Yahoo Groups are really inefficient solutions. But that's all I knew when I wrote the spreadsheets. Hell, it's about all I know now! But we have made massive strides. The improvements we have made (and will continue to make) to the spreadsheets have been hugely beneficial. And dividing the work load has been instrumental, help from Chris, Dave, Jeff, and the massive contributions of Josh and Eric are really going to help this league hum.

If we had the skills to implement solutions like Access, MySQL, etc., we could probably revolutionize it. I am always impressed by the Tuesday Twos sites that Ken made - I think something like that would be the pinnacle to aspire to!

In closing, this is not a complaint, but a suggestion I thought would be a simple one. I am not asking you to post anything, just asking that if you do, would you please consider posting it all in one post. If you don't post anything, well that should be even easier for you!

As my ratings prove (drop in the summer, rise in the winter) , Team Disc Golf is the most fun disc golf event I play in. I eagerly look forward to each event, I lavish in the victories, and lament the losses. I thank you sincerely for keeping this league going, bigger and better, year after year. And I will see you at the next scoring meeting, Oct 22, after our next TDG victory! Go! Win!

[Wes Hansen]

Jordan,
Looks like I made a mistake...
I played both doubles matches. I had thought that the only penalty for playing both dubs was the inability to get a 7th man point, which The Discrupters wouldn't have received in any event.

Now I re-read the rules, again, and now see my error. However, according to:
3.2.2.2.1. The 2nd doubles match played is forfeit if a player plays both doubles matches.

I believe that means the first dubs match should have been awarded to The Discrupters. We would appreciate that correction.

I apologize to my teammates for not ensuring we had the clean sweep of the GBP as I'd planned.

[TreeLove]

That's a tricky one. It gets me too. It didn't change from last year, either, nor did the 7-man point (just now you can do it without all your players, since teams expanded from 7 to 8 players), as Jordan explained to me last night.

The simplest way I have heard it phrased is:

"You can't hide a player in doubles."

with the follow-up of:

"A player MUST play at least ONE singles round, or NONE of their rounds count."

Wes, sounds like that that would supersede what you quoted above, and it would mean that none of the rounds of the player that played only doubles would count.

PS: Of course, it also means that the rounds of any PARTNERS of a player who played only doubles would not count either.

Jordan, please correct me if I am wrong, this is not an official post, but I think I am pretty freshly informed on this.

[Wes Hansen]

TL-
Makes some sense, but I am trying to go by the published rules, which appear to indicate otherwise.
Frankly, I'd like to salvage something from my play.

[beccat]

The yahoo site: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/teamdiscgolf/

You can also now find that information on the "schedule and results" page of the new www.teamdiscgolf.com website.


Thank you!

[jdinteg]

That would work, but what I am talking about is NO MORE THAN FOUR PLAYERS ON A CARD PERIOD EVER.

Meaning, depending on turnout, you may have up to two ghost groups.

*) Grab a match sheet. Fill a scorecard with four players, at first it will likely be two singles contests. Keep filling out new cards, working your way through the match sheet. Fill each card with 4 players, it does not matter whether one doubles contest (4 players), or two singles contests (4 players). Treat a Cali player as 2 players for the sake of this exercise.

*) If your last card has 2 players on it already, and your next contest is doubles, set that card aside, and use a new card for the doubles contest. Use the card you set aside for the next singles contest you encounter. You should never have more than one card set aside.

*) When you run out of players on that match sheet, grab the next match sheet. Keep adding players to scorecards, 4 at a time. Don't start a new card if you your last one has 2 players on it. Just add a singles contest from your new match sheet. It's OK for two contests from different matches to be taking place on the same card.

*) Obviously, if you run out of singles contests, use one card for each remaining doubles contest.

*) Obviously, if you run out of doubles contests, fill out cards with two singles contests each.

*) If you end up with more than 18 cards, use ghost groups. Select one or two short holes that are far from each other. Preferably, choose short holes that come right after long holes. Assign 2 cards each to those holes, for example: "group 16", and "group 16G" (G for ghost). Group 16 will tee off on 16 at the start horn. Group 16G will tee off as soon as group 16 holes out. If group 15 arrives before 16G tees off, which they probably won't, they must wait for group 16G to finish hole 16 before they tee off. The wait won't be long.

*) If you can, put slower groups on those long holes that precede the ghost holes. That way, the waits they impose will be overwith early, and the ghost holes will flow even more smoothly.

*) Hold a player's meeting. Don't give out cards until the meeting is done. Explain the ghost group system. Use a 2-minute warning and a start signal. Remind folks:

* You get 3 minutes to look for a lost disc. The group must help look if you ask. Ask.
* If you throw a shot that looks like it might get lost, throw a provisional shot right away, as opposed to walking down the hole, looking with your group, running out of time, walking all the way back to your previous lie, and re-throwing. The provisional will save time, since if the original shot is lost, the player won't need to return to the previous lie and throw, instead, they just use the provisional shot (with the usual penalty). Of course, if the original shot is found, it must be played, and the provisional is picked up and ignored. (Also, teach players to use provisionals if the group can't agree on a ruling, don't hold up the entire field trying to find an official or outsider to rule. Have the player complete the hole under both scenarios, record both scores, and, as a group, ask the TD to rule after the round.)

Using ghost groups is the most efficient way to overfill a course. It minimizes wait times for all groups involved. Remember: it will work no matter what the turnout. There can't be more than 80 players, so you will never need more than 20 cards, and you won't ever need more than 4 players on a card.

Josh: I hope this detailed breakdown helps. Good luck with your Saturday herds! The challenge to keep groups flowing gets ever greater as the season continues, due to lack of daylight, inclement conditions, length and difficulty of courses, etc. I am confident that with these techniques, your skills in managing flow will outpace the opposing factors, keeping your Conference playing smoothly all season!



:shocked:

:chinscratch::chinscratch::chinscratch:

:laughing::laughing:

I think I'll take a few of these elements and blend them in, but I like the idea of keeping the 3-score cards per mach the same, and not burning up a bunch of paper, then grinding on all the teams to force them into 4-person tee pads, and trying to explain to everyone the ghost group at each event. It triples the match ups a layouts time frames for me and the players. I think 1-dubs match and 1 singles tee puts 6-per pad (But we've done that for years with 0 problems), and the lead group plays 4-singles. That keeps card and clipboard tracking down, and if I skip a hole every 3rd tee pad between groups only the last group and the 1st group could bump into one another. Maybe that one as a ghost group would make sense to create space. Next season though I would love to have you to join a Saturday team, and show me how to run it the Stern method.....

[TreeLove]

Right on! PM sent.

[Sausage Fingers]

That's a tricky one. It gets me too. It didn't change from last year, either, nor did the 7-man point (just now you can do it without all your players, since teams expanded from 7 to 8 players), as Jordan explained to me last night.

The simplest way I have heard it phrased is:

"You can't hide a player in doubles."

with the follow-up of:

"A player MUST play at least ONE singles round, or NONE of their rounds count."

Wes, sounds like that that would supersede what you quoted above, and it would mean that none of the rounds of the player that played only doubles would count.

Jordan, please correct me if I am wrong, this is not an official post, but I think I am pretty freshly informed on this.

This is dead on. Any doubles matches that include a player who fails to play a singles round in the event is forfeited. This is a handicapped league, and if you do not play a rated singles match your handicap cannot change and you do not help to set the handicaps for all.

And as Wes has astutely pointed out, I have yet to update the rules for this year to incorporate the changes I have made. I shall endeavor to accomplish a rules revision prior to the start of the 2nd event.

There are few things in life I love more than quoting rules by number, so I gotta give Wes props for that. But I am going to rule against him on this due to the fact that this topic came up in this thread and was answered with the simple rule of: You can't hide a player in dubs.

I will make sure to re-write this section of the rules to be more clear on this point going forward.

PS: Of course, it also means that the rounds of any PARTNERS of a player who played only doubles would not count either.This confuses me. The dubs match is forfeited.


:pirate:

[Stephen.Sines]

You are all so silly. :)

[TreeLove]

PS: Of course, it also means that the rounds of any PARTNERS of a player who played only doubles would not count either.


This confuses me. The dubs match is forfeited.


:pirate:


I should have said: The DOUBLES rounds of any PARTNERS of a player who played only doubles would not count either. And that is still wrong. It is a goofy way of saying: "If one partner's round is thrown out, so is the other's. That is because they are one and the same round." The more I type it, the more confusing it sounds. I was trying to type out something that should be implied.

Basically, I can't find an easy way to type out what should be obvious, so please disregard. Sorry about any confusion I may have created. :blush:

Jordan, thanks for confirming these two rules are true:

"You can't hide a player in doubles."

with the follow-up of:

"A player MUST play at least ONE singles round, or NONE of their rounds count."

As you can see this is a very costly mistake to make!

[Wes Hansen]

It won't happen again.

[PDX_Stu]

Sines needs to be drug screened. Must be PHDs ! 945 rating..right :). Next time

[Darr]

Asking for a friend, what is the deal with the replacement player rule this year?

[Sausage Fingers]

Asking for a friend, what is the deal with the replacement player rule this year?

every team can make 1 per season just like last year.

:pirate:

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Jordan,

On the schedule there are start times of 9am, 8:30am, and 8am.
Is that the tee time or set line-ups time? I don't want to get there too early. (ha!)

Thanks.

[Sausage Fingers]

Jordan,

On the schedule there are start times of 9am, 8:30am, and 8am.
Is that the tee time or set line-ups time? I don't want to get there too early. (ha!)

Thanks.

Yeah... it looks like I screwed it up again.:bricks: When only 1 time is on the schedule it will always be the tee off time. And I forgot that I was going to go with only 2 different start times this year...:headbang:

So after a little editing of the first post, per Treelove, it should all become clear.:merlin:

:pirate:

[TreeLove]

Reminder to players:

CSL (Captain Set Lineup) is 30 minutes prior to tee time. This means both captains must have the match sheets filled out and turned in to the TD by that time. Assuming captains need all their players present to fill out their match sheets, this means ALL players need to be there BEFORE the CSL time. This means MORE than 30 minutes prior to tee time. Help your TD help you to finish in daylight (and to have a decent lunch break): show up more than 30 minutes prior to tee time.

[Darr]

Say you play two doubles matches in the morning, I.e. one (bonus) doubles match. Would that mean all four doubles players need to play singles in the afternoon or the bonus point would not count? Also, do the bonus matches count toward the match point or just the season total?

[NWDiscer]

Say you play two doubles matches in the morning, I.e. one (bonus) doubles match. Would that mean all four doubles players need to play singles in the afternoon or the bonus point would not count? Also, do the bonus matches count toward the match point or just the season total?


:smash: if a player plays doubles in the morning they have to play singles in the afternoon :bricks: :rolleyes2:

[hydro5330]

Ahhhhh!!!! Look at the weather. We must be heading to Bonneville (this message brought to you by the makers of gore-tex.)

[hydro5330]

:rockon: Welcome to WINTER golf. I just checked weather underground and we're looking at high temp. approx. 41 degrees and 80% chance of rain. Possiblity of SNOW sunday night. Here we go!!!!:laughing:Ahhhhh!!!! Look at the weather. We must be heading to Bonneville (this message brought to you by the makers of gore-tex.)

[George A.]

:rockon: Welcome to WINTER golf. I just checked weather underground and we're looking at high temp. approx. 41 degrees and 80% chance of rain. Possiblity of SNOW sunday night. Here we go!!!!:laughing:

Yeah for team golf!!!!!

[Jason Philips]

National Weather Service says-

Sunday Showers likely. Cloudy, with a high near 52. Southwest wind around 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New precipitation amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible.

Sunday Night A 50 percent chance of showers. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 39.

[Sausage Fingers]

Say you play two doubles matches in the morning, I.e. one (bonus) doubles match. Would that mean all four doubles players need to play singles in the afternoon or the bonus point would not count? Also, do the bonus matches count toward the match point or just the season total?

Any doubles match played by someone who doesn't play a singles match that event is forfeited.

Just ask Wes, who played dubs in the AM and the PM how that worked out for him...

:pirate:

[Stephen.Sines]

Darr yo're a silly man. :dancing:

[whalekillah]

Say you play two doubles matches in the morning, I.e. one (bonus) doubles match. Would that mean all four doubles players need to play singles in the afternoon or the bonus point would not count? Also, do the bonus matches count toward the match point or just the season total?

Don't worry Darr, we will be taking ALL the points anyway. :biggrin2:

[jdinteg]

There seems to be a discrepancy between the Average ratings for Saturday teams Lund and I posted on the new website, and the Yahoo/Excel Match up sheets. If there is a difference, the ratings Jordan produced and put on the printed match sheets takes precedence over what Lund and I posted on the website. We will make sure the website gets closer with future updates. Again the website is simply a close average, not the definitive rating. For those Saturday teams who chose the website rating over the match sheet I have corrected the rating to reflect what was printed on the match sheet below.

[Darr]

Don't worry Darr, we will be taking ALL the points anyway. :biggrin2: You did win a few Vin
:whistler:

[Hippy007]

So where do we want the pins for team golf at Horning's.

Here is the current:

Hole 1 - Short
Hole 5 - Short
Hole 7 - Short
Hole 11 - Short
Hole 12 - Short
Hole 15 - Short

Come up with what to play and we will get them there. Also got the coffee shop to be open both Sat and Sun.

Hippy007
:cool2:

[DanD]

Long
Long
Long
Long
Long
Long

[Stephen.Sines]

Long
Long
Long
Long
Long
Long

I Second:

Long
Long
Long
Long
Long
Long
Long
Long
Long
Long
Long
Long
:yay:

[Jason Philips]

I do not know the holes well enough but will say I prefer technical over distance.

[jdinteg]

I do not know the holes well enough but will say I prefer technical over distance.

I agree Jason. If the long hole is the more technical then yes, but if the long is just for the sake of long then no. Many times the technical putter or mid shot can be tougher than ripping out the driver. But Sines will always ask for long, because he's overthrowing the 450'+ holes with his fairway drivers.:nahnah:

[Pizzel]

So where do we want the pins for team golf at Horning's.

Here is the current:

Hole 1 - Short
Hole 5 - Short
Hole 7 - Short
Hole 11 - Short
Hole 12 - Short
Hole 15 - Short

Come up with what to play and we will get them there. Also got the coffee shop to be open both Sat and Sun.

Hippy007
:cool2:How about this:
Hole 1 - Long
Hole 5 - Long
Hole 7 - Long
Hole 11 - Short
Hole 12 - Long
Hole 15 - Short

[Stephen.Sines]

I agree Jason. If the long hole is the more technical then yes, but if the long is just for the sake of long then no. Many times the technical putter or mid shot can be tougher than ripping out the driver. But Sines will always ask for long, because he's overthrowing the 450'+ holes with his fairway drivers.:nahnah:

true. but I dont go to the driving range to practice my putting.
a 350' shot is just as hard for me to do as much as anyone else. I just have to disc down. that right there makes things possibly harder for me. throwing long is no more an advantage as it is a disadvantage.

canyon in all longs is a great course. we dont goto milo and go to all shorts just because I'm playing and can make the disc go really far. there would be no logical reason to not play it in the longs.... and it aids in the scoring spread and adds fluctuation to the mass of scoring.

:pullhair:

[whalekillah]

All long please. I've been playing all shorts since the Chick Flick. Time for a change IMHO.

[Bullseye]

true. but I dont go to the driving range to practice my putting.
a 350' shot is just as hard for me to do as much as anyone else. I just have to disc down. that right there makes things possibly harder for me. throwing long is no more an advantage as it is a disadvantage.

canyon in all longs is a great course. we dont goto milo and go to all shorts just because I'm playing and can make the disc go really far. there would be no logical reason to not play it in the longs.... and it aids in the scoring spread and adds fluctuation to the mass of scoring.

:pullhair:

Gotta agree with this... Don't waste our time putting them in the short positions. All that does is create a duece or die situation...

[Stephen.Sines]

Gotta agree with this... Don't waste our time putting them in the short positions. All that does is create a duece or die situation...

this handicapped system is no fun if everything is a easy birdie. you need some variance.
every 890 player becomes a monster when against a 970 player for example. the strokes needed for victory become virtually impossible to gain. thus the deuce or die.

this is golf not roulette. :explode:

[Stephen.Sines]

there would be no logical reason to not play it in the longs.... and it aids in the scoring spread and adds fluctuation to the mass of scoring.

the same should be said with every course that we are playing this year. pier, dabney, and timber all fit in to this particular 'placement' of reason. (see what I did there?)

if every single one of these courses that we will play this year were championship grade courses (namely those stated above), then I would argue mixed lengths and positions would be feasible; being that they are not, why bother considering them and arguably sell your golfing experience short of what it could be?

short and technical... meh.

I'm simply here to play like I would on a traditional golf course. Its the intention and golfer's mindset that I am pursuing. I see no love or true golf in consecutive 200' gradient holes.

[Stephen.Sines]

Thats about all I have on that subject. :)

[Sausage Fingers]

Thats about all I have on that subject. :)

too bad all of your bluster amounts to a hill of beans...

So where do we want the pins for team golf at Horning's.

Here is the current:

Hole 1 - Short
Hole 5 - Short
Hole 7 - Short
Hole 11 - Short
Hole 12 - Short
Hole 15 - Short

Come up with what to play and we will get them there. Also got the coffee shop to be open both Sat and Sun.

Hippy007
:cool2:

Hole 1 - Short
Hole 5 - Long
Hole 7 - Long
Hole 11 - Short
Hole 12 - Long
Hole 15 - Short

Now I really don't want you to go out of your way to do extra work, but if you were in a mind to move some of those pins to a new position my first choice would be the ones above.

Thanks!

:pirate:

[Hippy007]

too bad all of your bluster amounts to a hill of beans...



Hole 1 - Short
Hole 5 - Long
Hole 7 - Long
Hole 11 - Short
Hole 12 - Long
Hole 15 - Short

Now I really don't want you to go out of your way to do extra work, but if you were in a mind to move some of those pins to a new position my first choice would be the ones above.

Thanks!

:pirate:

Will get them moved to that layout... I will try to do it this week

Hippy007

[jdinteg]

Will get them moved to that layout... I will try to do it this week

Hippy007

I LIKE IT!!

[Sausage Fingers]

There seems to be a discrepancy between the Average ratings for Saturday teams Lund and I posted on the new website, and the Yahoo/Excel Match up sheets. If there is a difference, the ratings Jordan produced and put on the printed match sheets takes precedence over what Lund and I posted on the website. We will make sure the website gets closer with future updates. Again the website is simply a close average, not the definitive rating. For those Saturday teams who chose the website rating over the match sheet I have corrected the rating to reflect what was printed on the match sheet below.

There were a number of errors in the original week 1 score file. Those errors were fixed and it slightly changed the overall ratings. I then re-uploaded the changed files to the website prior to the weekend. Hopefully this week we will have no errors, but I am not holding my breath.

Please check your match and round scores for errors and let me know asap.

:pirate:

[TheDMZ]

Will get them moved to that layout... I will try to do it this week

Hippy007

Thanks Andy!

[Stephen.Sines]

Thanks Andy!

We love you hippyman :trophy:

[DanD]

Hey Jordan,
Can you explain how we should score the extra voluntary doubles match? Its been my understanding that this is an optional point and while it counts towards a teams total points it does not count towards the match win/loss.
Thank you!

[Sausage Fingers]

Hey Jordan,
Can you explain how we should score the extra voluntary doubles match? Its been my understanding that this is an optional point and while it counts towards a teams total points it does not count towards the match win/loss.
Thank you!

First off, it is exactly like it was last year when it was only a singles match. This year it can be a singles match or a doubles match depending on how many players show up. The only optional part about this match point is if one team does not have the players to defend the point they do not forfeit the match point.

The first 4 singles matches (S1, S2, S3 & S4): if you cannot provide a player to play for each of those points you forfeit the point to your opponent that DOES have a player present to compete.

The first doubles match (D1): if you cannot provide at least one player to play for this point you forfeit the point to your opponent that DOES have two players present to compete.

The Bonus Match (D2 or S5): If both teams can provide at least 1 player they can, if the matching captain chooses, play for the bonus match point. If only one side can field players for this match, no point is forfeited.

This is done once in the morning rounds: the Visitor Team Captain marks down their players first and the Home Team is the matching captain.
Then it is done again in the afternoon rounds: the Home Team Captain marks down their players first and the Visitor Team is the matching captain.

And as always, since I started this format:
1. All match points are totaled and a Match Point for winning the most matches is awarded.

2. THEN a bonus point is awarded if 7 players played a singles match.

3. The total match points won by each team is compared to determine a Win-Loss-Tie outcome.

Each team keeps a running total of their match points as that is the first tie breaker to determine rank of teams with identical Win-Loss-Tie records.

So no, the extra single/doubles match is not a freebie to pad your season match point totals. It is available to play for, but it carries the risk of maybe causing you to lose the Match Point and possibly the Win.

:pirate:

[DanD]

Thanks for the edumacation, Jordan!

[Sausage Fingers]

Thanks for the edumacation, Jordan!

Hopefully it clears up some of the questions. Thanks for asking the question Dan!:cheerleader:

I am swamped at work, but I still hope to get out the revised rules soon.:dancing:

:pirate:

[Hippy007]

Hole 1 - Short
Hole 5 - Long
Hole 7 - Long
Hole 11 - Short
Hole 12 - Long
Hole 15 - Short

:pirate:

Today me, Chris S and Mike G got this layout in the ground. It will be like this till after team golf then back to all short for a while.

Hippy007
:cool2:

[Stephen.Sines]

Thank you gentlemen.

[couve discer]

What are the points per stroke for dabney and timber?
also will it still be 10 for pier and 8 for milo next time we play there?
Thank you

[jdinteg]

Dabney should be 10

[Sausage Fingers]

What are the points per stroke for dabney and timber?
also will it still be 10 for pier and 8 for milo next time we play there?
Thank you

History shows that we play Dabney at an average SSA of 53.54 and when you check that against the SSA Chart that falls into the 10 Ratings Point/Stroke area.

Once again all of this information can be had from the Master Ratings file. The Schedule tab has the SSA History chart with the average SSA for all courses at the bottom.

But the difference that the weather can make is significant. The break from 10 RP/S to 9 RP/S is 54 and if you look at last week's rounds at Pier both of the Sunday rounds fell into the 9 RP/S area due to the poorer weather. I have wanted to tie the weekly handicap directly to the SSA shot for each round but too many captains are against it.

Even with the higher SSA shot on Sunday the total average SSA at Pier is only 53.13 so we will be playing 10 RP/S when we return to that venue next year. Milo's rounds this year all played to 8 RP/S except for the Saturday afternoon round which edged up into the 7 RP/S bracket due to weather.

:pirate: