Etiquette change over time

[dan]

After about a 2-3 year hiatus, I've been golfing again a lot for the last month or two. It's great to be playing again.

I've been playing at Pier a lot, and I keep finding myself behind people who are taking tons of extra throws. Frequently emptying their bags on puts and approaches. They don't seem like beginners, either. Which is to say I expect them to know better. They can clearly see me waiting for them at the tee pad at every hole. Sometimes I get a chance to play through. Usually I just end up skipping a couple holes to pass.

I don't remember it being such a consistent problem when I used to play. Have you guys found it's getting worse? Is DG growing to the point that there are a lot of newer players who don't grasp basic course etiquette? Is it the same as it's always been, and it's all in my head? I'd be interested to hear thoughts.

[guitodd]

There are alot more people playing who dont know of etiquiette, but like you said, players should know better. I would say to you ,yell fore and throw on them if you see them throwing numberous upshots or whatnot. At a place that sees as much action as pier park you cant expect to play a round by yourself and not come up on groups. absorb into a small group and remember to not be "that guy". Lead by example. Welcome back, buy a King!

[discdog]

There is another part of disc golf etiquette that has been sorely lacking as of late. Twice I have left a putter on the 18th hole of canyon with a name and a number on it. Do you think someone could turn it in on the way out. NO, they put it in their bag and take it home. That is not what I was taught to do with found discs!

[jeffmonty]

Sorry, but the two statements, "Yell fore and throw on them" and "Lead by example", contradict one another. :confused:

[Mcw5378]

Yes.
Lately there have been people throwing multiple shots on a lot of courses! Not just at Pier.

Yes.
Etiquette is lacking. By many golfers.

[SPIDER-DAN]

I think the proper way to let someone know they are taking too much time finishing a hole is to yell, "coming in on hole ___!".

Sometimes people do not realized there is someone behind them and just stand around the basket and talk about whatever even after they have all put thier last putt in. Please do your after action reviews somewhere else.

And of course, you should never throw on anyone........no matter what.

[General Scales]

Wait a minute, it's not appropriate behavior to empty your bag on every hole while smoking and drinking and littering? Man I was taught incorrectly.

Seriously though, I severely dislike people that act like each hole is their's and nobody else's. I cannot tell you how many times I've been stuck behind a group of people that obviously threw 10 plus discs on a 200 foot hole going for the ace. When you walk up to the hole, they all grab their bags and scurry away to retrieve their many failed attempts, never letting you throw through because they don't want to wait on you.

Some people's children...

[austinn]

Funny i read this yesterday and was thinking to myself, "I'm glad i havnt run into this lately," didnt take long for me to eat my words" was thinking about this thread as I was out there today haha

[Chopper]

Well, what ever you do don't talk to them about it.

I'm never afraid to teach or remind other players about:cop: common courtesy.

[guitodd]

Sorry, but the two statements, "Yell fore and throw on them" and "Lead by example", contradict one another. :confused:

thank you for the analysis. No they dont contradict. If you are confused then you missed the point. Your trivial retort is the confusion. Stick to the subject. I will forward all of my posts to you for any more continuity analysis.

[JMan]

The second mistake here is made by the players who say nothing...be nice, but if groups don't address the issue immediately you validate their misunderstanding of course etiquette...making the argument here, while relevant, solves little. One of the biggest challenges here is that so many people don't want to spark an incident...have we lost all our social skills to converse and resolve misunderstanding, we'd rather view then condemn? Be the change my brothers and sisters, if not you...then who?
'J'

[WestsoundBT]

This may seem like a side diversion to the topic, but it ends up coming back close to some of the main dilemas for finding solutions in situations like these.

http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2012/jun/21/gold-mountain-aiming-to-eliminate-slow-play/

Yeah, its an article about a ball golf course. Article about slow play at Gold Mountain in Bremerton (city course). It is a really interesting read if you read between the lines and apply it to what you know about people. (mind you, it not what you know about yourself, but what you know about "people")

The article includes all that has been done in an attempt to lessen effects of slow play (which can be, and is, an ettiquete issue). They lay out how marshalls have tried to help, and how that sometimes works and sometimes backfires. It shares how some groups welcome help by outsiders, and some fly off the handle when approached. It really lays out a "can't win" situation no matter how you try to "fix it".

Then... go through and read the crazy comments that FULLY substantiate the diversity of responses people have to those experiences. Then think... how would I try to fix it? or just come away shaking your head and shrugging shoulders.

Then think of the parallels to our sports etiquette issues.

[jeffmonty]

thank you for the analysis. No they dont contradict. If you are confused then you missed the point. Your trivial retort is the confusion. Stick to the subject. I will forward all of my posts to you for any more continuity analysis.

We all get frustrated when newbs are throwing multiple discs on holes while traffic is backing up behind them. Throwing on them is not the solution. Explaining etiquette to them is (in the long run).
"Yell fore and throw on them" and "Lead by example" were your words, not mine. If you truly want to lead by example, throwing on them is exactly what NOT to do. Unless you enjoy being thrown on, I guess. Sorry you got butt-hurt.

[General Scales]

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[maco capo]

Haha

[guitodd]

If you truly want to lead by example, throwing on them is exactly what NOT to do. Unless you enjoy being thrown on, I guess..

Thats your opinion. Im not a pacifist. Throwing on them would be my example BECAUSE I wouldnt want to be thrown at. Therefore I am aware of those around me and dont take extra throws. I did say yell fore first. riiiiggghht. Thats a good productive example. BooHooyah. Now off to fun with the butt.PEACE

[fernhillphil]

My buddy and I let a single play through us a few weeks ago and he proceeded to through multiple drives, right in front of us. I was dumbfounded. When I play through people, I try to be as quick as possible. I'll often lay it up and skip putting rather than going for a long birdie just to be faster.

Just last week, a group of 3 of us were playing behind a group of 6. This group consisted of a family; mom, dad, and a 5 year old, who were all obviously new to the sport. No problem. My problem was that there was at least one member of their group who was a seasoned disc golfer. Bag tags, minis, etc... He never once made an effort to let us play through even though we watched them walk off the tee pad and slowly play every hole for the last 7 holes. This guy knew better but was just arrogant.

And just a personal preference here, but I think walking around the course blasting your ipod is incredibly rude to other golfers. Particularly when a group walks up to a teepad while people are driving.

And litterers. Fucking litterers...

[fernhillphil]

Thats your opinion. Im not a pacifist. Throwing on them would be my example BECAUSE I wouldnt want to be thrown at. Therefore I am aware of those around me and dont take extra throws. I did say yell fore first. riiiiggghht. Thats a good productive example. BooHooyah. Now off to fun with the butt.PEACE

I don't throw multiple discs when people are waiting on me, but if you throw down on me, fore or not, I'll throw your disc as far as I can in the opposite direction.

I agree with jeff here, throwing down on someone isnt leading by example. It's setting the example to be an asshole

[guitodd]

I don't throw multiple discs when people are waiting on me, but if you throw down on me, fore or not, I'll throw your disc as far as I can in the opposite direction.

good thing I wont be throwing on you cause your so courteous and scarey. This will save you the embarASSment of hiting a tree in your big manly tyraid. This was about etiquitte and that was your response? Your the guy who hits the brakes on the highway when some dipstick is merging doing 40mph thinking your being courteous when 10 people behind you obeying the rules have to slam on the brakes. Try thinking first.

[fernhillphil]

I don't throw multiple discs when people are waiting on me, but if you throw down on me, fore or not, I'll throw your disc as far as I can in the opposite direction.

good thing I wont be throwing on you cause your so courteous and scarey. This will save you the embarASSment of hiting a tree in your big manly tyraid. This was about etiquitte and that was your response? Your the guy who hits the brakes on the highway when some dipstick is merging doing 40mph thinking your being courteous when 10 people behind you obeying the rules have to slam on the brakes. Try thinking first.

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[Jason Philips]

I think throwing on anyone yelling fore or not teaches them that it is perfectly okay to throw on people as long as they yell. That is really poor form. Two wrongs do not make a right and all that stuff ya know.

I do think speaking up is important. How you speak up will definitely affect the reaction you receive. When you yell at someone like you would a parent to their child don't expect much respect back. Conversations go a long way. Some people may not change while you are right there but may in the future.

In the end there will always be assholes and the general thing to remember is you are outside in a gorgeous park and not sitting behind a desk, take a moment to breathe and don't be so quick to try and leave that setting.

[LakeStevensBA]

I had a dude throw in on me while I was writing my name on a basket after I got an ace. Unluckily for him, his disc landed in my unleashed pit bull's pile of sht that I let sit there. I didn't even get a chance to hear him yell at me because my 8-track player in my beer cooler was blasting Foghat so loud. That dude was so rude!

[General Scales]

I had a dude throw in on me while I was writing my name on a basket after I got an ace. Unluckily for him, his disc landed in my unleashed pit bull's pile of sht that I let sit there. I didn't even get a chance to hear him yell at me because my 8-track player in my beer cooler was blasting Foghat so loud. That dude was so rude!

Please tell me you included on the basket the disc thrown, wind speed, humidity, atmospheric pressure and the +/- from sea level. Also, there better be some Boston in that 8 track player, cause Boston kicks the crap out of Foghat.

[pdxdiscer]

on the course and in your manner of 'conversing' on this forum. Try thinking first.
If the person throwing multiple discs does not know any better , he will not find that out by you throwing on him, "fore" or not.
I guess it is possible if you then walk down there and explain that you threw on him because of his extra throws, and what the etiquette is, but it's doubtful he'd want to listen at that point.
No one is a better listener when they think they are being messed with. You are yet another example of this when you get defensive with people pointing out the possible problems with your etiquette teaching strategy. Just substitute the phrase "butthurt" for a disc thrown at you
your posting etiquette could probably use some instruction/improvement, how would you appreciate that being conveyed to you?:nahnah: or :kissflowers:
we're all looking forward to better communication on and off the course

[General Scales]

on the course and in your manner of 'conversing' on this forum. Try thinking first.
If the person throwing multiple discs does not know any better , he will not find that out by you throwing on him, "fore" or not.
I guess it is possible if you then walk down there and explain that you threw on him because of his extra throws, and what the etiquette is, but it's doubtful he'd want to listen at that point.
No one is a better listener when they think they are being messed with. You are yet another example of this when you get defensive with people pointing out the possible problems with your etiquette teaching strategy. Just substitute the phrase "butthurt" for a disc thrown at you
your posting etiquette could probably use some instruction/improvement, how would you appreciate that being conveyed to you?:nahnah: or :kissflowers:
we're all looking forward to better communication on and off the course
:trophy:

[guitodd]

on the course and in your manner of 'conversing' on this forum. Try thinking first.
If the person throwing multiple discs does not know any better , he will not find that out by you throwing on him, "fore" or not.

Try reading the first post first, then think. He stated that the people did not seem like begginers. Therefore they already know that they are being rude and dont need a good talking to. My advice was to yell fore and send one over the bow. If he cant man up and move on or let you play through hes an asshole whos been warned. Of course someone who seems to be a noob deserves the benefit of doubt and that would be when other methods mentioned should be applied. Dont let my tact online sway you, im just having fun. Now the guy, LakeStevens BA, I would walk up to and say "hey you, what do you bench" then kick his dog. I yike turdles.:dancing::seeya:

[pdxdiscer]

just so long as we are all thinking...
and that's why I'm afraid of bannanas

[austinn]

Question along the lines of etiquette, I play at a course that a lot of people think they can let their dogs loose on, go sit in the middle of fairways and have their picnics, walk their dogs down the middle of the fairway, all completely clueless! Lately I have just yelled and said heads up, but I feel like I am going to hit someone some day and get yelled at and have it be all my fault that they decided to hangout in the middle of a disc golf course. Is this just how it works or is there something else I should tell these people, should I inform them they are in the middle of a disc golf course or just suck it up.

[General Scales]

If it's a multi use park, you can walk up to them and let them know that they happen to be sitting in the middle of a fairway for the disc golf section of the park. While it's available to everyone, it is dangerous to be sitting in that area as there will be high speed objects flying at them. Make sure you do it courteously and try to suggest other places in the park for them to go. If they still feel like sitting in the middle of the fairway after your warning, there isn't much you can do. Just alert them to your intention to throw that way, make sure they are paying attention and rip one. We have that problem up here with Corbin Park in Post Falls. Most people will pay attention when you alert them but some just don't give a fiddlestick.

[jeffmonty]

If it's a multi use park, you can walk up to them and let them know that they happen to be sitting in the middle of a fairway for the disc golf section of the park. While it's available to everyone, it is dangerous to be sitting in that area as there will be high speed objects flying at them. Make sure you do it courteously and try to suggest other places in the park for them to go. If they still feel like sitting in the middle of the fairway after your warning, there isn't much you can do. Just alert them to your intention to throw that way, make sure they are paying attention and rip one. We have that problem up here with Corbin Park in Post Falls. Most people will pay attention when you alert them but some just don't give a fiddlestick.

I believe many of those outside of the game think "It's just a frisbee, how much can it hurt?

A buddy of mine took his 12 year old niece out to show her the game, and he was standing to the side of the teebox and she grip-locked one into the back of his head. Took 7 stitches to close it up, and she was 12... though we did laugh when he told us about it. :evilgrin:

[captain_hideous]

The same thing happened to me. What it is is the course itself is changing. There are courses that are more trafficked than other people. If your course is getting more traffic those other guys shouldn't be playing multiple discs. It sucks when there are tons of people on the course. The answer for me was to drive an extra ten minutes to a newer course with less people. If your course is trafficked someone will start to tell those people off.







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[HuckU]

We played a weekday at Timber recently, and a group of 2 jumped our group of 5 (which normally I would not mind if we were asked) and proceeded to throw a min of 3 each at each tee, answer cell phones in the middle of a hole, smoke/drink on the tees of the next hole while the next 6 holes were empty. Enough comments from us finally caused them to scurry off but we really could not believe their antics. Of note, these guys had 3 discs each and no bags, but they knew what was up and were not making eye contact whe n they passed close. We then went to McGuyver and a group of three was sitting on west #1. Same thing with the 3 off the tee, searching for discs without offering the play-thru, and BS'ing on the tee. These guys were suprising because they had tourney shirts, pro-bags with patches/dual straps, etc. They even played #9 as an optional hole while walking to #4. Eventually they picked it up, but it was a long 9 following them.

I agree with other posters that throwing into them is not the answer, but do talk to them either about playing through or just the ettiquite of throwing multiple discs. Some people don't have the luxury of playing 9 holes in 2 hours...

[spectralmonkey]

found some real d-bags yesterday at dabney,
they were very slow group of 5, and wouldnt respond to our requests to play through even though they were looking for multiple discs.
on the hole after that, 16 i believe, one dude actually picked up and threw my girl's disc in the other direction and walked off. :nono:
all 20 disc bag carriers so, no newbs, just jerks.

[emmarose]

... i was at pier recently, just by myself, and had totally pep-talked myself into the attitude of "hey, it's a beautiful sunny day at pier. there's going to be plenty of people. don't let it bug you... don't let it interfere with your groove... take the opportunity to get some work done while waiting for groups..." anyway, every single group that i caught up with waited on the teepad for me to play through... were polite and pleasant in demeanor and also a lot of them had cute dogs (no, mittl, none of them were cuter than floyd ;)). i let people play through me as well, because i was throwing multiple shots and sort of dilly-dallying in the sunshine. it was very lovely and a great example of appropriate course ettiquette. i was pleased.

[Jason Philips]

Emma, thanks for sharing a positive experience.

I wouldn't expect much less but thanks none the less.