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Wobbly Bob
June 4th, 2012, 10:37 AM
HIGHBRIDGE WORK PARTY
Saturday, June 9, 2012 @ 8:30 am
Meet at Hole #2's Tee-Box
We will be building platforms up to Hole #2's green to aid accessibility and control erosion
TOOLS WE WILL NEED
Pick-up Trucks
Work Gloves
Drinking Water
Trash Bags
Shovels - Spades, Flat & Scoop
Rakes - Leaf & Garden
Sledge Hammers - Small & Large
Cordless Drills
Camper Size Generator
Wheelbarrows
Pry Bars
Tampers
Tape Measures
Levels - 2 ft - 6 ft
Call 216-4929 to RSVP or for more info
bstullis
June 4th, 2012, 11:26 PM
is there any hope to fix any of the tee pads that have drop-offs in front of the tee pad? holes 2, 8, 9, 10, 13 (especially 13), 15, 16? they all have ankle breakers at the end of the rubber tee pad.
Wobbly Bob
June 5th, 2012, 07:48 AM
is there any hope to fix any of the tee pads that have drop-offs in front of the tee pad? holes 2, 8, 9, 10, 13 (especially 13), 15, 16? they all have ankle breakers at the end of the rubber tee pad.
Saturday we will be working on the Spokane Parks Foundation Project for accessibility and erosion control. If you wanted to show up and help, you could be in charge of getting the ankle breakers filled. We'll have gravel.
Gordy #21004
June 5th, 2012, 10:17 PM
The generator will be on the truck.:shooting:
special K
June 10th, 2012, 06:12 PM
I would like to thank the volunteers that help build the stairs on 2 John, Edger, Dave, Joe, Jerrome, Don, Gordy, Leslie, Jamie. Thank you Jamie for buying burgers for everyone. Thank you Lisa for bring food and Leslie for bring coffee. Thanks everyone for surviving in the rain all day and enduring the wind to help put all those stairs in. There will be more work parties to come at High Bridge and hopefully next time it wont be pouring rain. :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2:
dbcooker57
June 10th, 2012, 11:15 PM
And thank you for all your efforts and organization to get the job done. It was a pleasure helping out. A job well done !
Dadio!
June 11th, 2012, 11:49 AM
Had fun. glad to be part of a project I have been hoping for a while. Now SDGA member to boot(also been meaning to for a while). Good to meet Joe, Kevin ,John and everyone else. Great to work with Joe and Dave(we did a fair chunk of the 1st run, then they helped with second 2. I put my ocd to good use tamping. :-)
Everyone who showed was way cool and busted their butts in the rain to improve the course. I'll be proud to be able to look at those for years and know I helped.
Lyounger
June 11th, 2012, 01:39 PM
The progress a dozen dedicated, positive, cooperative, constructive people can make is just down right amazing. Kevin you did a very fine job as a foreperson getting everyone involved and keeping the tasks moving forward so well. It was HARD work and the rain was misereable...however, I'm so happy I was able to put 3 and a half hours in. My hat is off to the rest of you who worked solid for over 8 hours.
This was a remarkable work party and I can't wait to see the finished product.
I'll definitely have a new smile everytime I climb those stairs on hole 2 in the future...
Thank you EVERYONE!!
P.S. I sent the pictures I took to Bob...and Joe if you did get a pic of me swinging that sledge hammer, you can go ahead and delete it!! :-)
Lyounger
June 12th, 2012, 09:07 AM
So I cruised by the park last night when I got off work. I couldn't believe how FULL HighBridge was at 7:00 on a Monday night!! I took some photos of the finished steps. I gotta say that it had to be a herculean effort to get the rest of that project done. I left at 1:30 and the upper stairs were marked off but no digging had begun. Did you guys stay there all night?
It looks magnificant!! Truly amazing. I'm so proud I had a small hand in helping out on that project.
:bowing:
Dadio!
June 12th, 2012, 01:23 PM
Everyone but me went up to those about then. Finished by about 4 or 4:30. Had process worked out so went quicker than 1st 2.
Wobbly Bob
June 12th, 2012, 02:33 PM
So I cruised by the park last night when I got off work. I couldn't believe how FULL HighBridge was at 7:00 on a Monday night!! I took some photos of the finished steps. I gotta say that it had to be a herculean effort to get the rest of that project done. I left at 1:30 and the upper stairs were marked off but no digging had begun. Did you guys stay there all night?
It looks magnificant!! Truly amazing. I'm so proud I had a small hand in helping out on that project.
:bowing:
Please send me photos of finished project. Maybe from the top looking down.
Wobbly Bob
June 12th, 2012, 02:56 PM
Working on the lower set of platforms.
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1442&d=1339537151
And staying out of the rain.
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1443&stc=1&d=1339537262
Assembling platforms?
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1444&stc=1&d=1339537490
In the rain. Check out the new SDGA Generator.
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1445&stc=1&d=1339537612
Did we make enough of these things?
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1446&stc=1&d=1339537612
Wobbly Bob
June 12th, 2012, 03:10 PM
Let's drive these up to the next level.
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1447&stc=1&d=1339538314
Perfectly laid out.
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1448&stc=1&d=1339538314
Maybe we should go play a hole?
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1449&stc=1&d=1339538314
No the third tier is waiting for us.
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1450&stc=1&d=1339538314
Back filling the second tier.
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1451&stc=1&d=1339538314
Wobbly Bob
June 12th, 2012, 03:23 PM
Kevin hiking it up the hill.
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1452&stc=1&d=1339539240
I'm short one of those platforms, where did it go?
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1453&stc=1&d=1339539692
A mini ramp leading to the platforms.
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1454&stc=1&d=1339539240
All it needs is the gravel.
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1455&stc=1&d=1339539240
Wow, it turns half way up!
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1456&stc=1&d=1339539240
Wobbly Bob
June 12th, 2012, 03:36 PM
Same ramp.
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1457&stc=1&d=1339540022
We're almost finished.
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1458&stc=1&d=1339540022
Feel free to download any of these attachments.
General Scales
June 12th, 2012, 07:34 PM
I've said it once and I'll say it again. All involved did an awesome job. After 2's steps, what's the next phase of erosion control?
ScottW
June 12th, 2012, 09:16 PM
That looks amazing! Nice work SDGA and all who helped. Looks so nice I may have guessed the NIDGC did it.:biggrin2:
Wobbly Bob
June 13th, 2012, 07:49 AM
I've said it once and I'll say it again. All involved did an awesome job. After 2's steps, what's the next phase of erosion control?
The climb up #9, the climb down #6 and the climb up between #7 & #8.
Stimpi
June 13th, 2012, 09:26 AM
Climb on #9 is the worst, imho, and should be considered for the next attack.
Lyounger
June 13th, 2012, 10:20 AM
Please send me photos of finished project. Maybe from the top looking down.
Bob,
I'm emailing the 7 pics I took Monday...
Thanks for posting :-)
Yoduh
June 14th, 2012, 10:29 AM
The stairs look great. Nice job to the Kevin and company for grinding it out in the rain!
special K
July 3rd, 2012, 08:21 AM
The next work part at High Bridge is going to be on July 7th. This Saturday starts at 8am! :) :yay: We will be putting stairs into hole 6 and 9. More will be posted later. Meet us at hole 6. :) Hope to see you guys out there! :yay:
special K
July 4th, 2012, 11:04 AM
HIGHBRIDGE WORK PARTY
Saturday, July 7, 2012 @ 8:30 am
Meet at Hole #6's Tee-Box
We will be building platforms up to Hole #6's green to aid accessibility and control erosion
TOOLS WE WILL NEED
Pick-up Trucks
Work Gloves
Drinking Water
Trash Bags
Shovels - Spades, Flat & Scoop
Rakes - Leaf & Garden
Sledge Hammers - Small & Large
Cordless Drills
Camper Size Generator
Wheelbarrows
Pry Bars
Tampers
Tape Measures
Levels - 2 ft - 6 ft
We need donuts, lunch and drink donation for workers
Please call me if you can bring food donation
Call 216-4929 to RSVP or for more info
bstullis
July 4th, 2012, 11:14 AM
this is the second work party where I will be working my paying gig. I will try to show up with doughnuts though. I wish I could help construct the steps, but I work nights and need my sleep.
special K
July 4th, 2012, 06:10 PM
thanks ben there will be a table out 4 the food
Gordy #21004
July 5th, 2012, 12:36 AM
I will bring the two 5 gallon SDGA water coolers, well-iced.:chug:
special K
July 5th, 2012, 08:18 AM
I will put cups on the list :chug::chug::chug:
Lyounger
July 5th, 2012, 08:56 AM
Sorry, I can't make this one :-(
special K
July 6th, 2012, 05:45 PM
Hey just a reminder to everyone bring thin clothes it will be 94 tomorrow. Also bring water. :) If anyone has pop up covers please bring with you. Were putting in 64 steps. I hope lots of people show up we are going to need lots of help to get all the steps in.
Hope to see you tomorrow! :yay:
special K
July 8th, 2012, 10:01 AM
We had 13th people come out to put in stairs! Thank you everyone who came in put there time in. Eric Brown, Randi Suiter, Joe Barnett, Lisa M., Jamie and Gordy Crafts, Jon Verbarg, Cory Davis, Tim Nevins, Greg Firpatrick, Ron W., and myself. It was nice to have team Chimp out there supporting us. We got all the stairs in at hole 6 and 9. It was very hot but thanks for surviving the heat. The job was not able to get finished 6 and 9 will still need more work. If anyone has anytime during the week or next weekend please call me at 216-4929. Thanks to everyone who brought food.
psychodwarf
July 8th, 2012, 04:46 PM
Here are the pics I took of the work that was done
http://s1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg533/Lisa_Mcelyea/HighBridge%20work%20party/
coryreu
July 9th, 2012, 06:40 AM
team Chimp
Lol
Whippetbrown
July 9th, 2012, 07:50 AM
Either you are being funny or that's a spelling mishap, maybe your just being a DUCK! Wait was duck a typo??:rockon:
Gordy #21004
July 10th, 2012, 12:53 AM
I thought 'Team Chimp' was the new name for SDGA work parties. Uh uh uh, eh eh eh, ah ah ah , oh oh oh. When I reached for my banana it was baked.:rockon:
Big Red
July 10th, 2012, 04:31 AM
Well stuart and I played highbridge yesterday morning and the stairs were a very welcome addition. they look and work great! Id be more then happy to help on the next wp, though i do sweat in 55 degrees, so watch for Big Red puddles :P
coryreu
July 10th, 2012, 06:28 AM
I thought 'Team Chimp' was the new name for SDGA work parties. Uh uh uh, eh eh eh, ah ah ah , oh oh oh. When I reached for my banana it was baked.:rockon:
Mine melted.
special K
July 11th, 2012, 09:11 AM
We had 13th people come out to put in stairs! Thank you everyone who came in put there time in. Eric Brown, Randi Suiter, Joe Barnett, Lisa M., Jamie and Gordy Crafts, Jon Verbarg, Cory Davis, Tim Nevins, Greg Firpatrick, Ron W., and myself. It was nice to have team Chimp out there supporting us. We got all the stairs in at hole 6 and 9. It was very hot but thanks for surviving the heat. The job was not able to get finished 6 and 9 will still need more work. If anyone has anytime during the week or next weekend please call me at 216-4929. Thanks to everyone who brought food.
thanks to dave cook for helping out over the weekend i missed his name somehow it must be the heat:yay::yay::yay:
special K
July 12th, 2012, 10:22 AM
the next work party is on sat. 21 at 800:yay::yay::yay:
special K
July 19th, 2012, 06:14 AM
thank you Dave cook for working on the stair and thank you four donating some gravel see you all on saturday:yay::yay::yay:
bstullis
July 19th, 2012, 11:49 AM
the next work party is on sat. 21 at 800:yay::yay::yay:
Always on weekends I work. Things are looking up for an awesome "back to the City Cup." Go work Party People!!!
Wobbly Bob
July 20th, 2012, 06:45 AM
Always on weekends I work. Things are looking up for an awesome "back to the City Cup." Go work Party People!!!
Joe has been asking for help at Downriver (with the chipping project) this Wed, Thur & Fri. and Mon. & Tues. of next week. Start time 9:00 am.
special K
July 20th, 2012, 06:50 AM
weather is going to be nice this weekend hope to see you all at the work party:yay::yay::yay:
bstullis
July 22nd, 2012, 03:00 AM
weather is going to be nice this weekend hope to see you all at the work party:yay::yay::yay:
Need pix, and just wondering if there were enough doughnuts? Hope to see you at Farragut on Aug 11th. :jumpspin:
special K
July 22nd, 2012, 08:05 AM
good morning a big thanks to all my workers Eric Joe Edger Gordy Jerome TIM Dave Oggy thank you bob for the free disc it mod evaded the troops number nine is very steep the being difficult and thank you Ben four the doughnuts :yay::yay::yay:
special K
July 24th, 2012, 06:37 AM
WOW a big thanks to Dave cook for finishing number 9:yay::yay::yay::yay::yay
special K
August 21st, 2012, 08:14 AM
I like to thank the volunteers that worked on number 7 stairs dave cook tom gordy john jerrome joe thank them when you see them
Dadio!
August 21st, 2012, 12:30 PM
Please post here when work parties are gonna happen, I want to help. Very glad to see improvements happening. :-)
bstullis
August 21st, 2012, 06:35 PM
I like to thank the volunteers that worked on number 7 stairs dave cook tom gordy john jerrome joe thank them when you see them
Didn't know it was going on:bricks:, would have helped if available, provided doughnuts (or other sustenance):jumpspin: if unavailable due to work:headbang:. Let me know when the next one is. . . let us all know. I troll these pages often enough and haven't seen the SDGA website updated in forever.:headbang::explode:
Thanks
BenT
special K
August 22nd, 2012, 06:20 AM
there will be a work party on Saturday 25 at 830
dbcooker57
August 22nd, 2012, 08:57 AM
Didn't know it was going on:bricks:, would have helped if available, provided doughnuts (or other sustenance):jumpspin: if unavailable due to work:headbang:. Let me know when the next one is. . . let us all know. I troll these pages often enough and haven't seen the SDGA website updated in forever.:headbang::explode:
Thanks
BenT
Finishing the steps was a work detail completing what the work parties began. Thank you for your interest, it's great to have good help. :cheerleader:
Gordy #21004
August 23rd, 2012, 10:38 PM
I can't resist. Bring the Doughnuts and I'm in. I'll bring the nails and the rebar. Jon and I will get the steps from #14 up to #15 started. Kevin will take the lead getting loose rock in the park transported to the roughed=in stairs. Joe is the man to top up and finish off the installations with the gravel. This grant project is in the last phase and then we'll forward our report with pictures and arrows to the Foundation for their approval. Everyone who has taken a part in this Highbridge access effort is now a part of something that Spokanites will enjoy for many years to come. Thank You.:chug: Let's have another!:chug:
Dadio!
August 24th, 2012, 09:13 AM
Will steps down from 18 be part of this project or have to wait until next phase?
Oh, and thanks for letting us know, should be out. :-)
psychodwarf
August 24th, 2012, 09:51 AM
Will steps down from 18 be part of this project or have to wait until next phase?
Oh, and thanks for letting us know, should be out. :-)
18 is still in the process of being reworked PLUS still working on the Parks Dept to get more parking in ..
Whippetbrown
August 24th, 2012, 11:31 AM
Where's the work going to take place at tomorrow I might join in on the fun again.
psychodwarf
August 24th, 2012, 04:14 PM
Where's the work going to take place at tomorrow I might join in on the fun again.
hole 14
bstullis
August 27th, 2012, 07:28 PM
hole 14
sorry to all for dropping the doughnut hole, I just finished 4 days in a row, all night shift work and missed the posts. . . then over the weekend the site was down and. . . . . . . . to say the least, I haven't lived up to my end. Please let me know when the next one is (as long as it isn't the 31st-33rd, night shift is dabomb:explode: )
I am loving all the great work going in at this course. kudos :bowing::bowing::bowing: to all those who have been working to make it better.
BenT
Dadio!
August 29th, 2012, 11:26 AM
Had fun again improving course, thanks to all that are planning and heading these up. Look forward to new 18, suspect will be next year. Keep us posted when you are working on either course, Joe, will help! :-)
special K
September 3rd, 2012, 10:58 AM
happy labor day I would like to thank ever one how labored for me, Joe, Lisa, Eric, Jamie, Rand, Tom, Leslie, Cory, Tim, Greg, Ron, Edger, Jerrome
:cheerleader:, Kim, Don. and special thank to gordy Dave and partner john v phase 1 is down. This was the biggest project that the SDGA has ever done! :yay: It was completed and thanks to all the people that came out and helped us complete this project. Now i know how to build stairs! :)
:cheerleader: :yay: :cheerleader::yay::cheerleader::yay::cheerleader:: yay::cheerleader::yay::cheerleader::yay:
Dadio!
September 4th, 2012, 12:57 PM
Hey Kevin, glad to help. Gotta get out and play now that it's done, still haven't caught a round on it yet.
Please let us know as projects on both courses move forward, plenty of people willing to help.
Yoduh
September 4th, 2012, 09:18 PM
The stairs are awesome. WIll be excellent in the winter especially! IThink it would be cool to put a pin right at the base of the hill of 18 and play from 17's tee. And get a new hole from 4's pin to fives tee instead of walking even further in the wrong direction on a hole that most don't play as 1 or 18. I know the Parks has said no to this proposal in the past but they sort of dropped this playground on our heads and making us walk a long way the wrong way plus doing a ton of clearing of some pretty nasty stuff for a hole that will be decent... Concessions have been made at Camp Sekani but with almost everyone we've made we have got something in return. If this was approached the right way we could cut out two giant walks that really break up High Bridge and make it play really weirdly.
dbcooker57
September 6th, 2012, 06:27 PM
A sincere thanks to the Spokane Parks Department, The Spokane Parks Foundation, and the Spokane Disc Golf Association for providing the means and a way to get this project done.
Yoduh
September 13th, 2012, 07:13 PM
A sincere thanks to the Spokane Parks Department, The Spokane Parks Foundation, and the Spokane Disc Golf Association for providing the means and a way to get this project done.
Ditto!
prospect
September 13th, 2012, 07:17 PM
Ditto!
I think "indian giver" may be on the wrong side of the PC fence. I'm not defending db's jab at you, but remarks like your's don't help your cause. Just sayin...
Gordy #21004
September 15th, 2012, 11:51 PM
Haven't heard that one since I was in the 3rd grade in 1963. I think a transaction over a Baby Ruth or a 5th Avenue was the issue. I was so much younger then, I'm older than that now.:nono::nono:
Parks
September 16th, 2012, 02:08 AM
I believe that the politically correct term is actually "Native American giver."
special K
November 6th, 2012, 07:15 PM
there was a small work party today number 6 and number 8 tee boxes were moved thanks dave cook and gordy still need help if anyone has time :yay::yay::yay::yay:
General Scales
November 6th, 2012, 08:17 PM
there was a small work party today number 6 and number 8 tee boxes were moved thanks dave cook and gordy still need help if anyone has time :yay::yay::yay::yay:
Whoa, wait, where were they moved to?
Gordy #21004
January 2nd, 2013, 07:01 PM
The generator the Club bought was finally recalled by the manufacturer. We got 100% of the purchase price refunded to us and it's back in the SDGA account. .... All those holes we drilled.....Now they know how many holes it takes to build the High Bridge Wall. I'd love to tuuuuurn youuuu on. (but we don't have a generator anymore:D) Gordy
Sean Johnson
January 4th, 2013, 10:44 PM
Whoa, wait, where were they moved to?
Unless it changed in the last two weeks or so:
Six is moved back to that alt placement that is back and to the right (about 20 feet?). Not sure if it was ever used or when, but I remeber seeing it marked off for a while before the new pad went in.
On 8, it is also moved to the back and right (when facing the basket). Its a RHFH or RHBH turnover shot over the top of those saplings to the right of the gaurdian trees. I might have seen an alt pad where the old placement was as well.
bstullis
January 5th, 2013, 02:17 AM
Unless it changed in the last two weeks or so:
Six is moved back to that alt placement that is back and to the right (about 20 feet?). Not sure if it was ever used or when, but I remeber seeing it marked off for a while before the new pad went in.
On 8, it is also moved to the back and right (when facing the basket). Its a RHFH or RHBH turnover shot over the top of those saplings to the right of the gaurdian trees. I might have seen an alt pad where the old placement was as well.
I played both of these before the weather turned slippery and found that the alt placement of 6 was great for me (closest I have ever come to aceing the short pin). I was very confused with the placment of 8 though, noting the only thing that would make the change meaningful was if the arborist was a little pissed about the 2-4 trees "bleeding" sap for betweenn 5&20 feet on the tee pad side because of the many (mmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnyyyyyy) errant throws into those trees. I can easily 2 the hole now, and always had to try harder for the accuracy when the pad was in the further back position. (it is the only hole I have unofficially aced since the only person around didn't see the ace, just heard the chains. I am sure to ace it again now it is in the short position.
General Scales
January 5th, 2013, 10:44 AM
There is a long pad too for hole 8. It's behind where the pad was by the road, towards the middle of the fairway among a grouping trees. That pad placement makes it a much more difficult hole to play.
Gordy #21004
January 5th, 2013, 08:59 PM
You're right about the damaged trees. The choice was to move the tee or loose the trees. The tree peeps may take the trees anyway..... As the old rubber gets changed out for new we might try wrapping some of the old pads around vulnerable trees. We're always open to ideas to protect trees if you've got one........The pad in the long position on 6 is just rubber on dirt for now. The snow and ice have brought our retrofitting efforts for the season to a close.:waaah:
General Scales
January 5th, 2013, 09:03 PM
You're right about the damaged trees. The choice was to move the tee or loose the trees. The tree peeps may take the trees anyway..... As the old rubber gets changed out for new we might try wrapping some of the old pads around vulnerable trees. We're always open to ideas to protect trees if you've got one........The pad in the long position on 6 is just rubber on dirt for now. The snow and ice have brought our retrofitting efforts for the season to a close.:waaah:
I think wrapping the old destroyed fly mat around the more vulnerable tree's is a great idea.
ScottW
January 6th, 2013, 08:58 PM
I saw a really interesting idea used at L.L. "Stub" Stewart State Park DG course west of Portland were someone took long 1 x 6's or 8s and wrapped those around the front and sides of frequently hit trees. They were held together with some kind of metal band that seemed to be kind of crimped to hold tight. They looked kinda funny, and the sound when hit what a deadening "thud" that virtually killed all disc momentum, but they really seemed to work pretty well. They had a lot of them up too. Just a thought.
bstullis
January 6th, 2013, 11:52 PM
There is a long pad too for hole 8. It's behind where the pad was by the road, towards the middle of the fairway among a grouping trees. That pad placement makes it a much more difficult hole to play.
I'll have to look for the new farther tee pad when the snow clears thanks for the info.
The only problem I could think of for what ever wrap was used involved keeping the bands adjustable for growth, have to expand them every year or so to keep from strangling the growth, otherwise I think the old rubber is the way to go IMHO. If they do decide to kill the trees, ask if they can just top them, and make intentional posts. Was watching DG Live on youtube with the Helsinki tourney and their tunnel shot was an interesting "hazard."
one of my goals for this year would be to get out for more work parties. My frustration level was elevated every time I found a major (or minor) work party was being held on the weekend I work. felt like a schmuck playing on the backs of those who worked to make highbridge look as good as it does.
Thanks for all you guys do. I will still bring sustenance if needed on days I am working, just let me know what you want (non ETOH beverages only though, teetotaler here)
Yoduh
January 8th, 2013, 04:16 PM
If they are going to cut them than why not just leave them anyway...
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