Lost discs at lakewood (bangers)

[Discgolfingkilmers]

While playing team golf this year at Lakewood I through a disc in the lake and looked for it after the round but had no success and just hoped for the best that it would be turned into the pro shop there by some nice disc golfer that might not know the disc was very valuable on eBay. So when I went there yesterday I looked through the lost discs but it was not there. :waaah::waaah::waaah::waaah:
When I talked to Keith from lamebangers he said that there were some people that had at the least a 1000 disc's to turn in when he brought back the $2 for turning them in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I must say this was all confirmed when NATE BELL, the coolest guy EVER( moved to the top of the X-mas list), saw some people fishing for disc's after I left and asked him if he had my roc. This person did say that he had at least a 1000 disc's at his house and after some persuading by nate to go look he returned with my disc in hand and he was rewarded. :yay::yay::yay::yay::yay:
THANK YOU BRIZZLE BEAR THANK YOU THANK YOU
I was against the $2 finder fee from the beginning because players from other courses would find discs at there course and take them to bangers for the credit or cash, which would make it tough for players to get there disc back because they might not know to look at bangers for their disc if they lost it at Steily.

So I would ask players to put some pressure on Keith and bangers to get our discs from the people that are holding them hostage and that we as players stop this practice and just return them to each other. Make sure your name and number are on all your discs because the people finding them SHOULD BE CALLING YOU WHEN THEY FIND IT

Lost and founds are a good thing only if the person that lost the disc pays to get it back from the finder or club that has it.

Can not say THANK YOU enough to NATE BELL for getting my baby back to me :cheers:
THIS IS A BAD THING FOR ALL YOU BUZZ THROWERS COME MAY

[mine all mine]

I am glad to hear you got your disc back, kinda, but I am not a fan of how you bash people in doing so. You could have just said thanks to Nate without having to interject your personal feelings for CHAINbangerz. I am sure Keith had good intentions with the lost disc policy, in San Diego they do the same thing (or used to) and it worked out really well. It is sad that a person would find a disc at steilly and travel the distance to turn it in at Lakewood for $2 measly dollars. Those are the people to be upset with not someone who is trying to do good for our sport.

[Mr. Anderson]

Hey Mark,

I'm just writing to express my opinion on this subject. FWIW.

I know Chainbangerz is very vigilant about calling every owner of every lost disc they receive. IMO Keith cannot control if finders of these discs call the owners or not, he can suggest that they call the owners of the disc but do they have to? Nope. Yes the finders should attempt to return the disc, but is Keith responsible for their inaction? What he can control is what happens to the disc after it gets turned in. I believe its a great service because people have incentive to turn in lost plastic rather than keep it for themselves.

I've lost 15+ discs in the Puget Sound area in the last 2 years, and I have gotten a total of 2 back. I believe the majority of people finding discs will not attempt to return them. I think Chainbangerz will encourage whoever finds the disc to return it to responsible hands.

As an example, there is a fisherman around the Riverside area that picks plastic out of the river and then throws them up for sale on Craiglist. He does not call and try to return discs. Finders, keepers. At least with the system Chainbangerz uses there is a better chance for returned discs, even if you have to take a trip to Lakewood or pay for postage.

I agree, that someone "holding discs hostage" sucks but when the $2 finder fee program is back, think of all the people that will get a phone call about their lost disc. I know some of the people that find discs at Lakewood use scuba equipment to find the discs. I think this a great service and they should be rewarded. Anyway this post is way to long, just trying to see the flip side.

[vapor]

I get many more discs returned to me through Chainbangerz with the $2 policy than before it was implemented. "SHOULD BE CALLING YOU WHEN THEY FIND IT" I agree that it should work that way but it usually doesn't. On a side note, I left a red boss near the fairway of hole six at Lakewood after dark the night before they had team golf. I didn't receive a call from any team golfers.

[cefire]

Yep, I've also gotten way more callbacks since the phone call service that the shop provides started up. Not sure who is 'hoarding' discs to claim a nonexistent reward, but I'd suggest that those folks are likely not going to give you a call anyway (supported by the anecdotal data put forth in this thread so far).

Feel free to continue hating on one of the very few org's that is making progress in the area though...I know that progress might be threatening to the old school (aka dysfunctional) way of doing things...

PS - You did in fact have to pay to retrieve your disc
PPS - The policy is no longer in effect anywho
PPPS - Perhaps you might try throwing less expensive discs
PPPPS - Not sure what Keith is going to say to some disc diver that you couldn't say yourself...
PPPPPS - If you really want the disc, dive in and get it for yourself
PPPPPPS - It appears you lost the disc at Lakewood, not sure why Steily players are driving North for an hour to drop off discs for a reward that perhaps will cover the cost of gas

[Discgolfingkilmers]

Funny that you call me dis functional because I have been playing this sport for 20 years.
Yet not one person has asked who the guy was that has all the discs at his house that's funny !!!!!!!!
And I always try and reward the finder of my discs just ask around and the players that have returned my discs have been rewarded very well with discs or cash
If you don't think that I have a point that it is wrong to pay someone for a disc with someone else's name on it then your dumb go bash someone else because this is a point for all golfer to talk about because it is not working when we don't get our discs back.
Just wait till keith does not pay the guy and he sells all that plastic on ebay.
Glad i got mine back!!!!!!!!!!
Nice to see all the lamebangers guys bashing me won't be on this thread again have fun with the bashing

[Mikk]

I was going to be negative, but I'm better than that.
I would like to say thank you to those people who call on lost discs. Chainbangerz regularly calls me on most of what I loose around Lakewood. Just remember if you loose a disc, its gone!! If you get it back due to the kindness of others, make it right with that person. This way more people will do the right thing, hopefuly.

[JR Stengele]

Attacking Keith and the CBDGC is weak. I understand your frustration but you should be focusing on the theives rather than a man or the two men that are helping to bring seattle closer rather than apart. And fwiw, I have gotten multiple calls back from CDGC. They are and will always be saints in my book!

[Mr. Anderson]

Funny that you call me dis functional because I have been playing this sport for 20 years.
Yet not one person has asked who the guy was that has all the discs at his house that's funny !!!!!!!!
And I always try and reward the finder of my discs just ask around and the players that have returned my discs have been rewarded very well with discs or cash
If you don't think that I have a point that it is wrong to pay someone for a disc with someone else's name on it then your dumb go bash someone else because this is a point for all golfer to talk about because it is not working when we don't get our discs back.
Just wait till keith does not pay the guy and he sells all that plastic on ebay.
Glad i got mine back!!!!!!!!!!
Nice to see all the lamebangers guys bashing me won't be on this thread again have fun with the bashing

Who is the guy with all the found discs? I believe your argument is with him and not Chainbangerz. Maybe some other organization can offer up a finders fee and start calling the owners? Just trying to find a amiable solution.

[Discgolfingkilmers]

My only problem is that keith was paying players to turn in discs and now he is not and look what is happening they are holding them hostage.

I did not say that keith did not call players when he gets them he might i don't know.

But he does know they have all those discs and is doing nothing about it and he is at fault for that THAT'S MY B#CTH .

I play banger events I just do not like his lost disc crap, so stick to the facts people 1000's of disc's not turned in.

[cefire]

Mark, certainly wasn't calling you out as dysfunctional, sorry it was interpreted that way - just referring to the system of strange allegiances/rivalries etc. that seem to make progress so slow here compared to the 6 other disc golf area's I've been involved with.

Also, not saying that Chainbangerz is the source of all good in the community, just that it seems to be a clear step in the right direction (towards communication, collaboration, trying new ideas, etc.), but I've only been playing for 13 years so take it with a grain of salt I guess...

[Discgolfingkilmers]

I will be the first to say I have never liked the rivalries in this area but that is for another thread.
Again my point is that we should keep people from fishing in the lake for OTHER PEOPLES DISCS
and knowing they are doing it is wrong in my opinion

[Mr. Anderson]

What do you propose Chainbangerz can do to alleviate your frustration? Again Keith is not responsible for the inaction of other people, so faulting him for it is not right. He started the finder fee program and was losing money the whole time, for the benefit of all disc golfers. Now we are at same point before the program, the majority of people not returning discs.

How can someone keep people from looking for discs at a public park? Is it illegal? I know in a perfect world everybody would have the decency to return property to an owner that lost or abandoned it, but obviously we do not have that situation.

[olydiscgolf]

You lost all credibility when you call Nate Bell the coolest guy ever....

[chainbanger'z]

while playing team golf this year at lakewood i through a disc in the lake and looked for it after the round but had no success and just hoped for the best that it would be turned into the pro shop there by some nice disc golfer that might not know the disc was very valuable on ebay. So when i went there yesterday i looked through the lost discs but it was not there. :waaah::waaah::waaah::waaah:
When i talked to keith from lamebangers he said that there were some people that had at the least a 1000 disc's to turn in when he brought back the $2 for turning them in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I must say this was all confirmed when nate bell, the coolest guy ever( moved to the top of the x-mas list), saw some people fishing for disc's after i left and asked him if he had my roc. This person did say that he had at least a 1000 disc's at his house and after some persuading by nate to go look he returned with my disc in hand and he was rewarded. :yay::yay::yay::yay::yay:
thank you brizzle bear thank you thank you
i was against the $2 finder fee from the beginning because players from other courses would find discs at there course and take them to bangers for the credit or cash, which would make it tough for players to get there disc back because they might not know to look at bangers for their disc if they lost it at steily.

So i would ask players to put some pressure on keith and bangers to get our discs from the people that are holding them hostage and that we as players stop this practice and just return them to each other. Make sure your name and number are on all your discs because the people finding them should be calling you when they find it

lost and founds are a good thing only if the person that lost the disc pays to get it back from the finder or club that has it.

Can not say thank you enough to nate bell for getting my baby back to me :cheers:
This is a bad thing for all you buzz throwers come may


rumors are started by haters,spread by fools,and accepted by idiots.

[chainbanger'z]

My only problem is that keith was paying players to turn in discs and now he is not and look what is happening they are holding them hostage.

I did not say that keith did not call players when he gets them he might i don't know.

But he does know they have all those discs and is doing nothing about it and he is at fault for that THAT'S MY B#CTH .

I play banger events I just do not like his lost disc crap, so stick to the facts people 1000's of disc's not turned in.


You nailed it there Mark, the problem is you DON'T know.
I DO CALL EVERY SINGLE DISC THAT HAS EVER BEEN TURNED IN, FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS,ALMOST EVERYDAY!!!!! IF I don't I have employees,friends,or club volunteers that do.
Along with the call, its specific disc color and type as well as date called,and what store they can be found at,and for how long.
No one has 1000 discs that I know of. When I said to you I knew of one person who has fished out the lake for almost two weeks straight, even with his 4 month old child on the shoreline with him, has "claimed" he has close to 50 discs, now that could even be exaggerated. And even if this person does have 50 discs, have YOU fished out discs for 2 weeks straight looking for one for your own? have YOU called all these people?
The problem is there are no facts. Your accusations are purely speculative, and honestly petty and annoying. Accusing me of these things with a glimpse of hope that you can get others to follow your lead. Your outta line,Grow up man!
Use this forum in a more productive way.

[mine all mine]

But he does know they have all those discs and is doing nothing about it and he is at fault for that THAT'S MY B#CTH .

How Is Keith at fault for somebody he doesn't know holding discs hostage? That is ludicrous!...What is he supposed to do, kick the dudes door down and steal all the discs (because that is totally the right thing to do) back for us discers? The problem is there is no police jurisdiction. I think we should try and get a petition going that would require discs be returned to their rightful owners when they are clearly marked with your name and number on them (not likely but worth the thought).

This problem is everywhere...in Roseburg, OR at Riverfront park there is a guy who scubas for discs in the river and sells them on ebay. The police cannot prosecute him because disc value is not at the amount required to prosecute. If a guy had a 1,000 disc's, that would be different, but I seriously doubt the guy has that many discs. think of how many discs would need to be thrown in the lake for someone to come out with a 1,000 of them despite all the other people out there fishing for them as well.

Until something can legally be done...DON'T THROW YOUR DISCS IN A LAKE THAT IS REALLY NOT THAT HARD TO AVOID...:nahnah:

[sillybizz]

As the Man in charge of the lost and found at Chainbangerz flagship store in Burien I can assure you that I have gone through every single disc and called and been very clear as to how you can get your disc back. I get a weekly flow of lost discs from the lake that hasn't stopped even after the $2 credit policy stopped. The $2 credit policy was started because everyone at Chainbangerz are Disc Golfers and we all know how it feels to lose your favorite disc and not get it returned so it was designed with players in mind. Many other places across the country have the EXACT same policy including Scott Papa at Dalaiwood. I'm not exactly sure how you can hold Keith or Chainbangerz responsible for some guy who is fishing for discs down at the lake. Your continued bashing of an entity that tries to do good in the community is not helping the sport or your reputation.

[CMC206]

I think we all need to smoke the peace pipe. This is how wars get started. F F Forget the internet. At the very least I would like to get the contact info of the guy that has 1k discs so I can try and buy all of them to hoard to my self. As far as taking a shot at my sponsers, That's LAME. I have got 3 very sacred discs back via the CDGC. I even paid twice to get back the same disc that likes the water making it even more valuable to me. I have lost a few at Steily and no deposit no return. I lost a mini at White River and got it back at Chainbagers. The message I want to pass on is Take it offline. Make a phone call or meet in person. We are bigger than this. Lets have a conference call on Rewindb. #unity CMC MUSIC FACTORY

[HarrisonH]

To provide an outside perspective, those talking shit on Chainbangerz sound like complete asses to me right now. Visited Seattle last weekend and Lakewood was by far my most enjoyable disc golf experience due to the community that seems to support the course and integrity surrounding disc golf in the area. Met good people, was immediately offered a guide through the course (which fell through, but another local disc golfer was there to help out anyway), and saw that the majority of those fetching discs from the water were obviously getting them to their rightful owners. As with anywhere, I'm sure there are bad seeds, but calling out the management of the course, or the CBDGC, seems like misdirected frustration. Feeling that welcome on a foreign course was very unique, and clearly Chainbangerz are taking great strides in the right direction. Cheers.

[LJ Jubner]

Must not type!!!!!!

Keith is in over his head!

Why, you ask?
Because of the blowhards who convince him it's a worthy project or idea, volunteer to help and then NO SHOW. I seriously doubt he thought that when he started a DG Retail he was staring three other businesses as well. So when you know of a Keith project or event that gets scaled back or is slow to arrive It's because he is finding out he's (and a few helpers) are totally on their own.
Burning bridges with the few who WILL HELP, is not helping.

Bangerz the Business
Bangerz the Club (Curious if/where the two entities begin and end)
Landscaping at both Lakewood and the Tac (the Tac is in SERIOUS n need of the work party this Sun)
Non Profit D.O.S.

Yes Lakewood is off and running in it's current state but that's where all the (it seems) resources are being used. New Pads and Benches

SeaTac=Cinderella

Back to our program
Why would anyone want to collect lost and found?
Altruistic answer and the one easiest to swallow
"For the good of the sport"

Business Model
"Sure it looks good, but it gets people into the store and maybe they might buy something else"

The variable is the time, effort and SPACE it takes to organize and facilate their return. For some businesses it SOP to get rid of them as fast as possible hoping that people will purchase from them.

[cefire]

I think you accidentally typed...

[Discgolfingkilmers]

If you don't want to believe that keith himself said he knew someone had a 1000 discs and if you don't want to believe that the guy fishing told nate that he had a 1000 disc's then I do not know what to say to anyone. I do not know if I am seen as a liar but I would not think I have that reputation ?

And again for the slow people I never said anything about any lost disc's that have been turned in to bangers just the ones they know this guy has and are not doing anything about it.

Why can't keith tell the guy to stop fishing for profit ( he is there all the time)

And again this is a problem that he started with paying players to not give the disc back to the owner but to sell it to bangers and then he will charge you for it. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not.

When someone is holding disc's hostage for money it is not working

[Mr. Anderson]

Even if 100 people told the guy to stop looking for discs, would it matter?

Again, is it against the law to look for discs?

The program was started so more discs would find their way home. I believe it did its job. Right now their is no finders fee, and this disc fisher is still searching for discs. Your argument is with the fisher, not Keith.

[sillybizz]

This is obviously a politically motivated bashing based on the fact that Chainbangerz is doing things and has done things that other clique groups haven't accomplished because of infighting and laziness. Now the goal is to knock Chainbangerz down to your level because you are jealous of the success of Keith, the club, the shop, whatever. Like I said before this policy has been in place all over the country including Dalaiwood but no one ever whines about how Scott Papa "holds discs for ransom".

[Discgolfingkilmers]

Kieth just read your post and I jumped your a$s when you told me that guy had a 1000 discs and was waiting for you to pay him. And have told you what you need to do if your going to continue with your way of getting disc's back to players and you said it was to much work and you don't have time.
So lets talk in the truth and not start out by lying saying you did not tell me about the guy with all the disc's.
And I don't know who he is, but Keith does so who is he keith
And john it is with keith he started this mess.

So lets all just stand around and watch instead of doing something to stop it from continuing to go on and on. smart

[Mr. Anderson]

Besides asking the "fisher" to stop looking for discs and please return the ones he has to the rightful owners. (just try to enforce that)

PLEASE propose your solution.

[Scott]

Again, is it against the law to look for discs?



No, but it is against the law to keep property if you can reasonably assume that it was lost and not abandoned. A name and phone number on the back is sufficient.

At least that's the case in Oregon. Not sure what you lawless hooligans up in Washington have going on. :laughing:

[chainbanger'z]

Kieth just read your post and I jumped your a$s when you told me that guy had a 1000 discs and was waiting for you to pay him. And have told you what you need to do if your going to continue with your way of getting disc's back to players and you said it was to much work and you don't have time.
So lets talk in the truth and not start out by lying saying you did not tell me about the guy with all the disc's.
And I don't know who he is, but Keith does so who is he keith
And john it is with keith he started this mess.

So lets all just stand around and watch instead of doing something to stop it from continuing to go on and on. smart

Mark,
Heres the deal.First and foremost I don't really owe you any kind of explanation. But since your wrong about a few things I will at least correct you,and tell you,as well as everyone else, my side of the story. Also yeah
I get it! You have personal issues with this policy. Thats great,its not for everyone, just the 99%. So your the 1%. Maybe you should start an "Occupy Chainbangerz" ?

I did say I know this person,not personally, were not buddies. He'e a regular that plays disc golf & lives close by.
I NEVER said he has 1000 discs, you heard wrong. Its called selective hearing. You heard what you wanted, you were bummed your disc wasn't in our lost and found, and felt like that was enough reason to rant on the public forum & blow this waaaaay out of proportion.

Heres where the confusion started: I told you we have given out over $1000 in-store credit,and have not returned on that.
Then I said I know one guy who is fishing discs out,hell I know over 20 folks who fish discs out and 2 scuba divers.
This specific person IS calling people.
Other things were said, but those were the words I said that are relevant to this post/response.

Oddly enough as I am writing this I saw this "person" here today at Lakewood that you want to know so badly. I asked him about this whole ordeal,guess what? he tried to call you BUT...... you didn't put your number on your disc. I actually told him about your rant here online and him,like many others, thinks your a d-bag. I am sure if he comes across your disc(s) again he may just leave it in the water, since your so against the L&F policy?
I heard your suggestions before and I will tell you now what I told you before, YOU DO IT.
Your right about one thing I did say, I don't have enough time to put out a webpage with everyones disc description on it and update it daily.
I think a phone call is plenty. For those who want their disc back they come and grab it back after they recieved a phone call.
Maybe you would prefer that I hand deliver every disc? maybe I will put on my santa suit as well?
I would have a DISClaimer though: "Please don't start any fires if you have lost a disc as I will be coming down the chimney with your lost disc".
Heres what you should do,since your so adamant about telling me what to do: why not start "Mark Kilmers way better lost & found policy"?maybe you could rent a store front,get a business license,pay taxes,rent,have a web site that has pictures of every disc that has been found with daily updates? (if you do this I want at least 10% for the idea)

I could give you King County Park Director's #?Its pretty easy to find online though, his name is Kevin Brown,you can call him and start a King County Park wide legislation that bans people from using golden retrievers inside King County Parks that have disc golf courses with water holes in them.

But lets say you REALLY want this disc back? and decided to actually spend weeks looking for it, but you found someone elses disc(s) while you were looking for yours? What then? Put it back in the water cause its not yours?
I really don't understand your logic, do you have any?
You think by me not giving people $2 in-store credit it is causing them to "hoard" them? Amazing, did Nate not get your precious disc you lost back to you? Didn't this guy go home and grab your disc for you? which BTW once again DIDN'T HAVE YOUR NUMBER ON IT!!!!!!!!!
Also what you are unaware of is that there are allot of people who turn in allot of discs and don't want $2, and guess what we still call the rightful owners and tell them there disc is here,and its free for them to pick it up.
Some people even call the person,tell them where it will be,and they drop off the disc.
So ultimetely our main goal is for people to have a place to come get there disc they lost. Like it or not its a service. Just like the waitress/waiter who brings you your food and clears your plates for you, but I am sure thats something "you can do better" as well right?
Other helpful suggestions: Stop throwing a disc that your gonna cry about loosing.
And lastly and most importantly get your facts straight before you try to call me out.
Maybe look more into the future instead of the past,with disc golf. As it is rapidly progressing wouldn't it make more sense to also make a conscience effort to look forward and at least try to change the way you think or act?
Don't we owe it to Disc Golf?
Or simply just offer up a better solution to what you see as a problem. And rather than complaining about it,actually do something about it?

[sillybizz]

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[SPIDER-DAN]

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do you really want to open up that can of worms. Really!?!

[Toby Puttzinski]

Surely there's a better battle to pick... with all of the atrocities going on in the world, we're focusing our attention on things like breastfeeding in public and disc return policy. I don't hear anybody speaking out about the starving, disc-less children in third world countries...

I am definitely in favor of the lost disc policy & as a member of the club I support all that Keith has done for us, & don't really appreciate the 'lamebangerz' moniker. As a friend to parties on both sides of this discussion, I'd like to see less attacking and more 'constructive criticism'. Mark, from what I understand, you've done much for the sport, too, so I would commend that as well.

I imagine that the 1000 discs was a bit of an embellishment, & someone (including Nate) could've just suggested(disclaimer>assuming he didn't) that he call the #'s and offer to return the discs for a $2 reward. I will GLADLY pay $2 for any lost disc(let alone one of those $200 rocs- RU kid'n me), especially if it had to be fished out of a pond. Is it really that bad if the guy is making $20 an hour fishing our shanks out of the drink? (assuming the discs do in fact get returned) Also, if someone feels passionately enough about it &/or threw dozens of them in the lake, I assume the guy will be out there retrieving in the weeks to come.

[TYVEK]

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this was really innapropriate and a disrespectful jab. i really expect better from you silly.

[LJ Jubner]

this was really inappropriate and a disrespectful jab. i really expect better from you silly.

It's more like a rabbit punch!!!! Tom as soon as you have half the time Mark does that will EARN you the right to criticize.

One thing that does bother me is the flaccid excuse
..."you did not put your phone number on it"

I don't put my number on my discs ( I do put jub on the top) because most everybody knows me. If they don't by just asking around (a little) someone would know how to get in touch with me.

L & F bounties is not the lamest thing though

[dan mc]

I have benifitted from the chainbangers lost and found policy on numerous occasions and for that i thank keith. One problem that has happenef in the past(no fault of chainbangers) at steili is people holding onto found plastic until they have enough to justify the trip to burien then cashing it in for new stuff for themselves. Onmore than one occasion i've had to drive up north to pick up plastic lost down here.

[Discgolfingkilmers]

willy wonka is my fav.
silly you don't know me, we have never meet and you do not know what I have done in my years of playing disc golf to help the sportexcept what you hear from other donkey holes
and keith I do know that I only have selective hearing when the wife is talking and you did say a 1000 and to give you the benefit of doubt to you a $1000 worth of discs is still 500 discs
I will say I don't have a solution for this problem but I do not need one keith does
I got a lot of disc's back that did not have my phone number on them so not sure it is required
and remember the day when you just gave the disc back to the guy when you saw at the course?
Rob dean and I for years collected lost disc's at steily and did not charged anyone we just made a list and posted it at the course and on thursdays we took them all to the course. It was not perfect by any means but it worked for us.
I hate mark kilmer too the guy is a fag

[Matt B.]

willy wonka is my fav.
silly you don't know me, we have never meet and you do not know what I have done in my years of playing disc golf to help the sportexcept what you hear from other donkey holes
and keith I do know that I only have selective hearing when the wife is talking and you did say a 1000 and to give you the benefit of doubt to you a $1000 worth of discs is still 500 discs
I will say I don't have a solution for this problem but I do not need one keith does
I got a lot of disc's back that did not have my phone number on them so not sure it is required
and remember the day when you just gave the disc back to the guy when you saw at the course?
Rob dean and I for years collected lost disc's at steily and did not charged anyone we just made a list and posted it at the course and on thursdays we took them all to the course. It was not perfect by any means but it worked for us.
I hate mark kilmer too the guy is a fag

Sorry, but hate speech isn't allowed, even if you direct it at your self. This ought to be an interesting exercise for the moderation team.

[blu666z]

I hate mark kilmer too the guy is a fag

:headbang:

[sillybizz]

Yeah there's no homophobia in disc golf. :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:

[Tim]

Wow, stay away from the scene for a few months and come back to see that that familiar vinegary odor is still pervasive.

Keep up the good work, Keith.

[Mr. Anderson]

willy wonka is my fav.
silly you don't know me, we have never meet and you do not know what I have done in my years of playing disc golf to help the sportexcept what you hear from other donkey holes
and keith I do know that I only have selective hearing when the wife is talking and you did say a 1000 and to give you the benefit of doubt to you a $1000 worth of discs is still 500 discs
I will say I don't have a solution for this problem but I do not need one keith does
I got a lot of disc's back that did not have my phone number on them so not sure it is required
and remember the day when you just gave the disc back to the guy when you saw at the course?
Rob dean and I for years collected lost disc's at steily and did not charged anyone we just made a list and posted it at the course and on thursdays we took them all to the course. It was not perfect by any means but it worked for us.
I hate mark kilmer too the guy is a fag

I believe Keith was saying that when the program was still operating they had given out $1000 in store credit, this is why the program stopped because the amount they could not recoup.

Mark you are OP, you stated that you have a problem with Chainbangerz lost and found, you need the solution. Keith does not have a problem with the program that now does not exist.

Phone numbers are not required to get your disc back but it is a lot easier for the majority of disc golfers to find the original owner. Most people who disc golf do not know about the PDGA or PDGA #s, or nicknames. Yes, people should still want to give the disc back but there is no good reason why to make the process inconvenient for them.

[DMajor]

I hate mark kilmer too the guy is a fag

That makes two people coming out on a disc golf forum in the same week!

Hopefully, talking about it will help overcome the admitted self loathing.

[TYVEK]

Yeah there's no homophobia in disc golf. :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:

sorry silly but you have the wrong thread, you created a thread dedicated to that subject. please dont bring it in this one as well.

[blu666z]

sorry silly but you have the wrong thread, you created a thread dedicated to that subject. please dont bring it in this one as well.

Really!?

The OP is the one who brought it to this thread with his bigotry comment.

[Sam]

This is a really disappointing thread on a lot of levels...

[SPIDER-DAN]

this is a really disappointing thread on a lot of levels...

yeah.....there are so many things i want to say that most are not even considering, but it would be a waste.

I agree with sam.

[chainbanger'z]

willy wonka is my fav.
silly you don't know me, we have never meet and you do not know what I have done in my years of playing disc golf to help the sportexcept what you hear from other donkey holes
and keith I do know that I only have selective hearing when the wife is talking and you did say a 1000 and to give you the benefit of doubt to you a $1000 worth of discs is still 500 discs
I will say I don't have a solution for this problem but I do not need one keith does
I got a lot of disc's back that did not have my phone number on them so not sure it is required
and remember the day when you just gave the disc back to the guy when you saw at the course?
Rob dean and I for years collected lost disc's at steily and did not charged anyone we just made a list and posted it at the course and on thursdays we took them all to the course. It was not perfect by any means but it worked for us.
I hate mark kilmer too the guy is a fag

Man, sometimes I really dispise how this forum can be abused.
There is rarely a smooth conflict-debate-resolution formula on any given topic, without counterproductive motion,and personal opinions brought along.

mark,now I know when speaking to you in person I better say EXACTLY what I mean, with clear and concise words so you do not confuse them and then decide to bring up our conversation to a public online format.

Regardless of you giving me the benefit of doubt, you heard wrong.
Good math skills though.

I really do not think I need to come up with a solution, because I don't view it as a problem. I remember asking as many people as possible on this forum and every single person who has ever gotten there discs back,and even those who haven't, now in both shops.
Results:
I can count on one hand how many people that are not supportive of our L&F policy and have issues with it.Sorry that your one of those non supporters.But you are entitled to your own opinion.

I CAN honestly say more people do not like the current:not getting $2 in-store credit when turning discs in, so...... I will be starting that back up real soon again.:yay:
Special thanks go out to John Anderson for stepping it up and offering his time and energy. I feel it's a great solution to the "scales being tipped too far on the giving,versus receiving end" problem.

I DO remember when there were about 25 people who played disc golf on a regular basis,on a 7 hole course in the foothills of CA. With about 5 molds available,if you can believe that. Also when I first started playing, If you found one that wasn't yours,it had to have been one of those other 25 cats,so it was left at #7's basket. No names,and most of the time we would swap discs just to see what they would do. Otherwise I would not have known that there were more discs,other than the Aero,Roc,X-D,stingray and cobras out there.
But guess what? Those days are over.

EVERYDAY at Lakewood, EVERYDAY!!! there are new players coming in. To not only play for the first time but also coming from other cities,and other states. So you tell me,how are any of these new players, out-of-towners suppose to know who you are just by having your name on your disc?

The key word is "worked" for you,and that is Past tense,correct?

[chainbanger'z]

I have benifitted from the chainbangers lost and found policy on numerous occasions and for that i thank keith. One problem that has happenef in the past(no fault of chainbangers) at steili is people holding onto found plastic until they have enough to justify the trip to burien then cashing it in for new stuff for themselves. Onmore than one occasion i've had to drive up north to pick up plastic lost down here.


Thanks for the support Dan.

One thing we strive to acheive is that when anyone with more than 3 discs show up, with multiple names, if not from one known source ie;Lakewood pond or lake,that we question where this person got all of these discs with all these different names on them. If there are any suspicions and we feel they have stole them or just don't feel good about it, we take the discs and we DO NOT give this person any in-store credit,and we call these people to say there disc is here,come pick it up for FREE,and beware of ........ who brought them to us.
Its also hard sometimes because someone may pick a disc up at steili, throw it a few times, bring it to another course-seatac, throw it some more- lakewood and loose it. So now its made its way up north,and sometimes even across state borders.
So we felt early on by offering this program if someone is on the fence about calling or turning it in, this $2 would help them make the right decision.

[jeffmonty]

yeah.....there are so many things i want to say that most are not even considering, but it would be a waste.

I agree with sam.

Yeah, I wanted to stay in this group, but...

When you throw your (irreplaceable) or any other plastic into the drink, and you're unwilling to go in after it, you've abandoned it. You can't expect to go home, put on the game, kick back on the couch, and wait for someone to don their scuba gear, get your disc and call you. Sure, it's nice if they do, good karma and all that, but IMO they have NO OBLIGATION to call you.

Sure, i'm bummed when I lose a disc and don't get a call, but when you put your info on your disc, you're really just trying to give yourself a CHANCE at getting it back.

I've got a feeling if the OP had thrown a beat garbage"water hole" Groove in the pond, we wouldn't be having this conversation. :chinscratch:

[CMC206]

Fish on. Thanks Keith for reeling in my sinker buzz.

[Kenny B]

Untwist thine undergarments, 'tis but a Frisbee.


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

[Discgolfingkilmers]

How about if you had a box for the guy that fishes in the lake at your store and we pay him when we get our discs back from him and he can give you(keith) and a cut of what he gets to you ,maybe that could work for lost discs. Then you do not have to come out of pocket for any lost discs. Put an envelope on the disc and when I (someone else) see's there disc in your store they can put money in it and it would already have the guys name that found it on the envelope and then they can come get it from you. This would keep your money in your pocket but also continuing to give the service. Just a thought. I don't think we should have to wait to keith to pay the guy to get our discs back and this could change that. A buddy and I both looked for the disc in the water this winter and would have looked again if I had not got it back so just knowing it was out would be helpful in the future. I'm sure the guy got more then two dollars for the disc the last guy got $20 for finding it. so both the finder and keith would be getting plastic back to us faster and with maybe more reward? Keith you could have that person bring the disc's to the course at your events and we as players could then buy them back also that might get more players to your event also.

[DMajor]

A constructive idea delivered in a non offensive way!

Hopefully, this leads to productive conversations, less name calling, & less bad jokes.

[Mr. Anderson]

How about if you had a box for the guy that fishes in the lake at your store and we pay him when we get our discs back from him and he can give you(keith) and a cut of what he gets to you ,maybe that could work for lost discs. Then you do not have to come out of pocket for any lost discs. Put an envelope on the disc and when I (someone else) see's there disc in your store they can put money in it and it would already have the guys name that found it on the envelope and then they can come get it from you. This would keep your money in your pocket but also continuing to give the service. Just a thought. I don't think we should have to wait to keith to pay the guy to get our discs back and this could change that. A buddy and I both looked for the disc in the water this winter and would have looked again if I had not got it back so just knowing it was out would be helpful in the future. I'm sure the guy got more then two dollars for the disc the last guy got $20 for finding it. so both the finder and keith would be getting plastic back to us faster and with maybe more reward? Keith you could have that person bring the disc's to the course at your events and we as players could then buy them back also that might get more players to your event also.

I think this could work. Would finder fee amount be up to the owner? The finder would not get the guaranteed $2 per disc but he might average better than that if he finds a $200 ROC every month. (J/K) Might be worth a shot, but its up to the finder and Keith.

[Tanya Spence]

It's threads like this that make me glad that all of you use nicknames so that I can remain "dumb" to the hatin' going around and the awful things that have been said. I'm glad that some folk have really said some nice supportive things on here despite the general temperature.

I love disc golf, I want to play a lot of disc golf. I play at whatever courses I want and I support any and all clubs in any way that I can. I am a club member of clubs here in Seattle and down in Portland.

Threads like this are holding back the growth of disc golf in Seattle and in general.

If any one of you wants to play a round... I will most likely be at SeaTac early Sunday. PM me, give me a ring. I would love the company and to chat about all the awesome parts of the game that I pretty much heart the heck out of.

p.s.- Hatin' and homophobic language aren't welcome. I don't want to ruin my disc golf high (:

[jeffmonty]

Yeah, I don't think this public forum was an appropriate place for the OP to air out his grievance against Chainbangers. Just not cool,and it sounds like he's been around awhile, so he should know better.

[chainbanger'z]

How about if you had a box for the guy that fishes in the lake at your store and we pay him when we get our discs back from him and he can give you(keith) and a cut of what he gets to you ,maybe that could work for lost discs. Then you do not have to come out of pocket for any lost discs. Put an envelope on the disc and when I (someone else) see's there disc in your store they can put money in it and it would already have the guys name that found it on the envelope and then they can come get it from you. This would keep your money in your pocket but also continuing to give the service. Just a thought. I don't think we should have to wait to keith to pay the guy to get our discs back and this could change that. A buddy and I both looked for the disc in the water this winter and would have looked again if I had not got it back so just knowing it was out would be helpful in the future. I'm sure the guy got more then two dollars for the disc the last guy got $20 for finding it. so both the finder and keith would be getting plastic back to us faster and with maybe more reward? Keith you could have that person bring the disc's to the course at your events and we as players could then buy them back also that might get more players to your event also.


I can't actually believe I am writing AGAIN on this same tired post.:headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::head bang:
.but here goes:

Can somebody please do me a favor and tell Mark to read previous posts.

Mark, I can't teach a 40 yr old how to read, because I am currently teaching my 3 year old daughter how,and thats enough hooked on phonics for me.

But just in case you didn't get what I said in person and a few times here, I will do it in a Dr. Suess style: Sorry I cannot provide any fun pictures.

There is no guy with 1000 discs,
not in his house,
not in his car,
not in his boat,
nor near or far.

There is no guy with 500 discs,
there is no guy with 100 discs,
not in his house,
not in his car,
not in his boat,
nor near or far.

There never was such a tale,
this post is beyond stale.

You lost your disc,
then it was returned,
for far less,then the fisher had earned.

You got lucky this time,
you made a mistake,
dont cry anymore,and for god sakes.
DON'T THROW YOUR 01 ROC IN THE LAKE!!!

But if you still feel so inclined,
once again,
start your own business and then,,,,
you can do whatever the hell you want with your precious lost & found bin..

[Wes Hansen]

Nice to see all the lamebangers guys bashing me won't be on this thread again have fun with the bashing

Error in fact! But would have been better if true.

[Sam]

Error in fact! But would have been better if true.

Much. The shovel got bigger with each time he posted...