Blizzard Plastic... the girly edition

[emmarose]

i'm sold.



300 foot anheyzers with a 133g katana? 300 foot anheyzers until this weekend were just ephemeral dreams...


my first drive with a 133g destroyer was just over 300 feet...


i haven't taken my vulcans and archons out of the bag yet... but give me a month with these new blizzard discs and i wouldn't be surprised if i did...


believe the hype.

[mowens404]

they are great. Erin has been using her 150 Katana and she is crushing drives further than i've ever seen her throw. probably not quite 300 feet yet, but I would not be surprised if that was happening very soon.

[Susie Sunshine]

300 foot anheyzers with a 133g katana?

That was a sexy, sexy shot on Sunday!!! :rockon:

[LegoRules]

That was a sexy, sexy shot on Sunday!!! :rockon:

What she said. Super sexy!! :yay

Cindy :)

[emmarose]

they are great. Erin has been using her 150 Katana and she is crushing drives further than i've ever seen her throw. probably not quite 300 feet yet, but I would not be surprised if that was happening very soon.

ooooooo... a 150 katana... very intriguing... i just may have to look into one of those... maybe not quite so crazy fliptacular as the 133...

blizzard plastic is fun!

[p-nit]

Lovin' the Blizzards.. they can't make them fast enough! They fly off the shelves as well as they fly across the fairway.

[ScottW]

Any of you ladies throw your Blizzard plastic sidearm at all? My wife plays a bit but really is a predominant forehand thrower and a reluctant backhand thrower. I am curious how they fly when thrown sidearm. I may have her throw some of mine and see if she likes them or not. I'm optimistic about the discs for myself but am still on the fence.

[emmarose]

Any of you ladies throw your Blizzard plastic sidearm at all? My wife plays a bit but really is a predominant forehand thrower and a reluctant backhand thrower. I am curious how they fly when thrown sidearm. I may have her throw some of mine and see if she likes them or not. I'm optimistic about the discs for myself but am still on the fence.

my friend melody throws forehand and had the same results as i did... consistently 20-30 feet more distance than she had been getting... pretty sure this was either with a 130 katana or 130 boss...

[Bruce]

Just from my perspective with the 146 Boss I've been playing around with, they hold up just fine when throwing sidearm. Like any light disc however, they make the flaws in your form more noticeable. That aside, I think more women need to experiment with them!

[psychodwarf]

i throw nothing but sidearm (due to 6 rotatoer cuff surgreies) and i find that the blizzard plastic does not need that much effort to throw it out there WITHOUT causing pain of the arm ..and yes it does bring out the flaws in your form .. i have had to slow mine down to fly forward ..

[emmarose]

flaws in the form, eh? might this explain my tendency to griplock (ugh i really don't like that term... especially when it applies to me!) my 130 destroyer?


and i love the slow arm speed thing... i can pump my 133 katana on an anhyzer 300 feet (i've put it 320 a few times even) with a smooth, slow delivery...

[Adam Schneider]

and i love the slow arm speed thing... i can pump my 133 katana on an anhyzer 300 feet (i've put it 320 a few times even) with a smooth, slow delivery...
I have a 130-something Katana too, and yeah, slow and smooth is the key. It's nice to have some discs that will get out there 250-300 feet without having to do a full windup. Very nice for semi-awkward stances. (A 150g Leopard or Latitude 64 Diamond Light is good for that situation too.)

[LegoRules]

FYI the Chick Flick now has available for sale as fundraisers:

Blizzard - katanas, wraith, boss, destroyers all $15 each

We also have:

Champion glow sidewinders $15
Champion classic rocs $20
Champion metal flake tee birds $20

Cindy :)

[emmarose]

I have a 130-something Katana too, and yeah, slow and smooth is the key. It's nice to have some discs that will get out there 250-300 feet without having to do a full windup. Very nice for semi-awkward stances. (A 150g Leopard or Latitude 64 Diamond Light is good for that situation too.)

i find the katana has a lot more glide than the opto diamond light... if i'm not looking for as much distance and want it to hold the left to right line i throw my opto (also if need to be more accurate off the tee)... if i need big D and a little hyzer fade at the end then it's the katana...

[Adam Schneider]

i find the katana has a lot more glide than the opto diamond light... if i'm not looking for as much distance and want it to hold the left to right line i throw my opto (also if need to be more accurate off the tee)... if i need big D and a little hyzer fade at the end then it's the katana...
Yes, exactly. The Katana has the potential to go farther, but on a soft throw it will still fade left at the end, like you'd expect a high-speed driver to do. The Diamond will stay to the right even with relatively low velocity.

[Jeff Hemmerling]

FYI the Chick Flick now has available for sale as fundraisers:

Blizzard - katanas, wraith, boss, destroyers all $15 each

Cindy :)Are you going to be selling these at the RCO?

[LegoRules]

Are you going to be selling these at the RCO?

Yes Celeste and I are both playing, and I will be sure to bring some of our fundraisers. Look us up.

Cindy :)

[p-nit]

I like the wraith better than the katana, as my short fingers get a better grip on the thinner rim, and it seems like the wraith is easier to get that smooth form y'all talk about. Now I just need to get my own, they are sold out up here in the northwest in most places!

[emmarose]

I like the wraith better than the katana, as my short fingers get a better grip on the thinner rim, and it seems like the wraith is easier to get that smooth form y'all talk about. Now I just need to get my own, they are sold out up here in the northwest in most places!

cindy (aka LegoRules) would be happy to ship you some of the Chick Flick fundraisers if you might be interested in that, p-nit darling...

i am loving the wraith, also... i think a need a 130something, tho, to fully enjoy it's awesomeness... watched Sheila Teves really rock one this past weekend at the Global...

i hear ya on the little finger thing... i battle not only small hands (yes, like a carnie) but a stupid broken and useless middle finger that doesn't bend as well and i will say that while it took quite a while (but really only a couple of months) to master the wider rimmed discs, it was well worth the effort. i am in love with the baby boss (150 r-pro) and will always have a couple in my bag because of how consistent and steady they are for me, despite getting a good bit more distance from newer, hotter discs, like the vulcan and archon and blizzard katana and stuff...

[LegoRules]

cindy (aka LegoRules) would be happy to ship you some of the Chick Flick fundraisers if you might be interested in that, p-nit darling...

i am loving the wraith, also... i think a need a 130something, tho, to fully enjoy it's awesomeness... watched Sheila Teves really rock one this past weekend at the Global...

i hear ya on the little finger thing... i battle not only small hands (yes, like a carnie) but a stupid broken and useless middle finger that doesn't bend as well and i will say that while it took quite a while (but really only a couple of months) to master the wider rimmed discs, it was well worth the effort. i am in love wit h the baby boss (150 r-pro) and will always have a couple in my bag because of how consistent and steady they are for me, despite getting a good bit more distance from newer, hotter discs, like the vulcan and archon and blizzard katana and stuff...

We are actually trying to coordinate with one of our Chick Flickers from up north there to get them a few discs to sell up there. We really would to avoid shipping the discs n either Celeste or I have the time to make trips to the post office. Pm me if you are interested.

Cindy :)

[Chuck Kennedy]

The modified Bonopane grip seems to work well for players with shorter fingers to grip the wider rimmed discs. You might be able to see this photo in my Facebook timeline: http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10150700795716044&set=a.10150637539971044.389344.574976043&type=1&theater

[emmarose]

The modified Bonopane grip seems to work well for players with shorter fingers to grip the wider rimmed discs. You might be able to see this photo in my Facebook timeline: http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10150700795716044&set=a.10150637539971044.389344.574976043&type=1&theater

you have got to be kidding me, chuck! that looks unnecessarily tricky.

[emmarose]

sorry to speak on your behalf, cindy...

what i meant was, cindy (aka LegoRules) probably has some cunning scheme up her sleeve to get some of our beautiful Chick Flick fundraiser discs up north if you are interested, ms. p-nit.

:o

[Chuck Kennedy]

In the past year I've been doing a fair amount of teaching women and scouts how to play and the Bonopane grip works particularly well to quickly give beginners some distance. If you grip your disc with the conventional power grip and then switch to the Bonpane grip, you can see how the nose of the disc naturally drops down. It allows beginners and even veterans like me to throw the disc with the nose down or at least flat with power, especially anhyzers and BH rollers.

[mowens404]

I have read this before and been told the same thing. Although I've never actually seen someone that does it regularly. I've seen a lot of people to it for minis though.

[emmarose]

In the past year I've been doing a fair amount of teaching women and scouts how to play and the Bonopane grip works particularly well to quickly give beginners some distance. If you grip your disc with the conventional power grip and then switch to the Bonpane grip, you can see how the nose of the disc naturally drops down. It allows beginners and even veterans like me to throw the disc with the nose down or at least flat with power, especially anhyzers and BH rollers.

... it would be interesting to give it a shot... but i am such a headcase that if i think too much about how i hold my disc, then i forget how i hold my disc and go thru a week or so of not being able to play well because i don't know how to grip my plastic anymore... i apologize, chuck, if i sounded derisive... it does look a little nutty, tho...

[p-nit]

sorry to speak on your behalf, cindy...

what i meant was, cindy (aka LegoRules) probably has some cunning scheme up her sleeve to get some of our beautiful Chick Flick fundraiser discs up north if you are interested, ms. p-nit.

:o

That would be great, due to work here, I don't get to make it down to Oregon more than once every 5 years. Would love to see a Chick Flick Seattle-style sometime in the near future too ;)

[Tanya Spence]

That would be great, due to work here, I don't get to make it down to Oregon more than once every 5 years. Would love to see a Chick Flick Seattle-style sometime in the near future too ;)

I also don't want to speak on Cindys behalf......


But....


I'm pretty sure I'll have a nice stack of Chick Flick CFRs to sell up here in Seattle within the next couple of weeks!!


Tanya

[LegoRules]

I also don't want to speak on Cindys behalf......


But....


I'm pretty sure I'll have a nice stack of Chick Flick CFRs to sell up here in Seattle within the next couple of weeks!!


Tanya

She speaks the truth. :yay:

[Tanya Spence]

She speaks the truth. :yay:

Told ya!!



Dana, get in touch with Cindy and let her know exactly which disc you want and I'll make sure I bring it to you!!

[ScottyJ]

I am not a chick. but a dic OOPs I meant a guy. I throw light driver's. My heavy ones weigh 166gms My light is 136. I really have grown to love the light disc. I am also a finesse driver, not a power thrower. My 136 Boss is one of my fav's, but all my disc have a reason to be in my bag. LOL So to all who think that light disc a only for chicks, take a look and try it for yourselves. and I bet you will change your minds about them.

[emmarose]

I am not a chick. but a dic OOPs I meant a guy. I throw light driver's. My heavy ones weigh 166gms My light is 136. I really have grown to love the light disc. I am also a finesse driver, not a power thrower. My 136 Boss is one of my fav's, but all my disc have a reason to be in my bag. LOL So to all who think that light disc a only for chicks, take a look and try it for yourselves. and I bet you will change your minds about them.

are you old? 'cause my dad's old and we throw basically the same stuff these days...


:angel:



i love crusties!!! :p

[ptld2001]

The modified Bonopane grip seems to work well for players with shorter fingers to grip the wider rimmed discs. You might be able to see this photo in my Facebook timeline: http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10150700795716044&set=a.10150637539971044.389344.574976043&type=1&theater

Interesting. I must say, I've never seen it, and certainly haven't tried it. I must say, I'd be willing to at least give it a try. I can't see that it would hurt, and if it might help the distance even a little bit...

[jdinteg]

OK,
So I read this thread and tried about 30 throws by my count. 10 with my standard power throw grip (Index/middle below, Thumb on top), 10 with the modified Bonapane, and 10 with the original Bonapane. I threw out in Glenwood field with my 4-favorite drivers 2-Lat64 Bolts, 1-Vision, 1-Halo. I had a tailwind on around 10-15 MPH was my guess. I have always struggled to keep the nose of the disc down, I usually remind my self to keep "Nose down - Head down" as I get ready for my run up on the tee pad. But it never fails at the last minute I pick that nose up enough to cost me distance and I usually land just inside or outside of 350'. After all those throws I realized I was gaining around 60' with the modified Bonapane, and 80' with the original Bonapane on average per throw. I am sold on this grip for an open field all out shot, but I can see how it would be difficult to control the disc flight if you needed a tight line to the pin. Thanks for the Suggestion, this could be a real game changer for me on an all out distance shot!

[Chuck Kennedy]

Once you start using the Bonopane, your accuracy will improve and you'll eventually be comfortable using it on narrower fairways. It's just a matter of practice. I use it on tight fairway drives but didn't regularly use it for a few years other than testing it.

[ptld2001]

I also tried the Bonapane yesterday, and I seem to have had almost exactly the opposite experience. I'll have to see whether it was the normal or the modified. It was with the thumb and index finger on top, with the circle. I won't say I gave it a fair trial -- only about a dozen throws. I'd say that my consistency improved (everything was extremely straight), but I can't say that I gained any distance. I'd even say I possibly lost some distance. I won't say it's a bad idea, but I'd say that the jury's still out. I think I'll try it again. BTW, this was with normal rimmed discs, and not wide rimmed.

[jdinteg]

First of all, Ladies I'm sorry for typing so much in this strand, please forgive me.

My problem is like many new golfers Female or Male that know what they are doing wrong. I cannot seem to keep the nose down as I throw. I constantly glide too high into the trees, or hyzer out too soon. I went back out into the field last night and threw about 40 more discs from every type of overstable plastic I have stored for the day when I can actually throw it. Specifically I threw about 15 shots with a Blizzard Boss 138g, and Blizzard Destroyer 150g. I threw every last one farther with the modified bonipane (MB). I do not believe it is a better grip, but it does force the nose down, and allow me to give a full pull without fear of picking the nose up. I also threw about 10 with my regular grip and a full pull but I focused on the nose of the disc pointing as far down as the mb made me do. The results seemed very similar to the MB, but I could not be as consistent on distance and torque as the MB gave me. I now have a new problem, my normal discs are severally turning over and I have to figure out what will fly straight with this new grip.

[Chuck Kennedy]

Just use the regular "fan grip finger on rim" when you don't need to throw with full power or are throwing a putter or mid-range disc: http://www.innovadiscs.com/home/daves-tips/daves-grip-tips.html

[ptld2001]

So, what I was experimenting with over the weekend was obviously the modified Bonapone. I don't typically have the problem with throwing with nose up (I have lots of other problems, but usually not that one). I'm specifically trying to get more spin. Do you think the modified Bonapone would help with that? As an aside, I also realized that the website said it's not great with heavier discs. I'm currently throwing 170s because my technique is so poor, and my disc flutters horribly if I throw lighter weight. I'm wondering if maybe this grip might help me with a smoother motion, and maybe I can drop the weight a little, which certainly wouldn't hurt.

I'm sure I'll have to experiment with all of this, but I thought maybe someone who'd been working with the modified Bonapone might have some advice.

[emmarose]

... i got a 135g blizzard wraith this weekend and i looooooove it.

it comes out fast and straight with a little bit of turnover if i want and goes faaaaar. it's my new best friend.

way more predictable than the katana and i can put as much muscle on it as i want.







on a different note, has anyone else noticed inconsistencies in their blizzard plastic? for instance, the 133 katanas that we all first got were beyond understable but i know of at least three people who recently purchased 130ish katanas that appear to be overstable... this doesn't surprise me that the technology is inconsistent but it sure is disappointing.

[mowens404]

on a different note, has anyone else noticed inconsistencies in their blizzard plastic? for instance, the 133 katanas that we all first got were beyond understable but i know of at least three people who recently purchased 130ish katanas that appear to be overstable... this doesn't surprise me that the technology is inconsistent but it sure is disappointing.


Erin and Brea have been talking lately about how overstable their new katanas are v. their original were understable.

[Scott]

on a different note, has anyone else noticed inconsistencies in their blizzard plastic? for instance, the 133 katanas that we all first got were beyond understable but i know of at least three people who recently purchased 130ish katanas that appear to be overstable... this doesn't surprise me that the technology is inconsistent but it sure is disappointing.

I bought a couple of Apes in the 130s and they were perhaps the flippiest discs I've ever seen right off the shelf. Totally useless. Tried one from another run and it was still flippier than I expected, but not nearly as bad as the first two.

According to Dave Dunipace (on the Ask Dave thread of the PDGA discussion forum) the Blizzard technology is really tricky and they're going through a lot of experimentation to get it right. Sounds like consistency is just a pipe dream for now....

[Chuck Kennedy]

Of course, I'm not sure why we should expect what used to be considered rejects, but with a fancy marketing spin, to be more consistent than regular run discs? ;)

[TYVEK]

.

on a different note, has anyone else noticed inconsistencies in their blizzard plastic? for instance, the 133 katanas that we all first got were beyond understable but i know of at least three people who recently purchased 130ish katanas that appear to be overstable... this doesn't surprise me that the technology is inconsistent but it sure is disappointing.

dont worry its not just blizzard plastic, Innova is famous for the inconsistencies of all of their plastics!!!

[emmarose]

Of course, I'm not sure why we should expect what used to be considered rejects, but with a fancy marketing spin, to be more consistent than regular run discs? ;)

ah ha!!! early on in this blizzard love fest i ran across someone with an x-out that looked exactly like my blizzards... we all laughed and joked that innova sure was clever to market their messups as these fancy new life changing high tech bubble infused magical amazing drivers...



... i'm okay with the inconsistencies... hopefully they can fine tune the process 'cause i'm pretty stoked with the extra distance they've given me. they have not, however, replaced my other plastic... simply supplemented...







tyvek... haven't thrown a ton of discraft... but in my small experience i have run across similar inconsistencies... for instance, i always preferred the light blue or pink eclipses to the orange or red because the darker colors were too domey... but, let's not get too far into that ancient squabble that will never end. i believer discraft can coexist peacefully with innova... they have in my bag for about 15 years now...

[Magilla]

With the "Blizzard" plastic....It's a matter of WHERE the bubbles are that affect the stability. If you compare equal weighted discs, the one with more bubbles in the flight plate will be more over stable. This disc will have more of the weight on the outer rim of the disc.

:cheers:


ah ha!!! early on in this blizzard love fest i ran across someone with an x-out that looked exactly like my blizzards... we all laughed and joked that innova sure was clever to market their messups as these fancy new life changing high tech bubble infused magical amazing drivers...



... i'm okay with the inconsistencies... hopefully they can fine tune the process 'cause i'm pretty stoked with the extra distance they've given me. they have not, however, replaced my other plastic... simply supplemented...







tyvek... haven't thrown a ton of discraft... but in my small experience i have run across similar inconsistencies... for instance, i always preferred the light blue or pink eclipses to the orange or red because the darker colors were too domey... but, let's not get too far into that ancient squabble that will never end. i believer discraft can coexist peacefully with innova... they have in my bag for about 15 years now...

[emmarose]

With the "Blizzard" plastic....It's a matter of WHERE the bubbles are that affect the stability. If you compare equal weighted discs, the one with more bubbles in the flight plate will be more over stable. This disc will have more of the weight on the outer rim of the disc.

:cheers:

i heard this from several sources when i first got me some blizzard... so for you folk with the overstable 133 blizzard katanas: where are your bubbles?

my understable katana they are all in the rim.

[LegoRules]

i heard this from several sources when i first got me some blizzard... so for you folk with the overstable 133 blizzard katanas: where are your bubbles?

my understable katana they are all in the rim.

The rim, but they are in the rim of my under stable kanatas too.

[emmarose]

The rim, but they are in the rim of my under stable kanatas too.

very interesting. seems that the technology simply isn't quite there yet. hopefully they'll be able to dial it in, but i'll say again, i am just not surprised that bubble infused plastic is proving to be a touch squirrelly. doesn't mean i'm not gonna still throw it, just means i have to know that i cannot totally rely always and forever on it... until they figger their shit out over at innova and good luck for sure with that.

[Scott]

Lots of discussion regarding Blizzard plastic with direct answers from the guy who makes it. http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=29785&page=426

[emmarose]

Lots of discussion regarding Blizzard plastic with direct answers from the guy who makes it. http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=29785&page=426

'preciate the link, but i'm a one forum kind of gal... :p i'll just depend on you to keep us updated here in the girly edition thread.

[ScottyJ]

are you old? 'cause my dad's old and we throw basically the same stuff these days...


:angel:



i love crusties!!! :p

Yep I guess I am old. :drool:LOL I am 54 years young and in better shape now that I am disc golfing.

[ScottyJ]

uder stable over stable. The disc are light. My heavy blizzard is 137 and throws great. Are you all trying to over power it. If you are throwing it at full speed as you would your 171gram disc you are throwing it to hard. Try using 70 to 80% power and see what happens. I have a 136 BOSS and a 137 WRAITH both are fantastic and have found a place in my bag.

[emmarose]

uder stable over stable. The disc are light. My heavy blizzard is 137 and throws great. Are you all trying to over power it. If you are throwing it at full speed as you would your 171gram disc you are throwing it to hard. Try using 70 to 80% power and see what happens. I have a 136 BOSS and a 137 WRAITH both are fantastic and have found a place in my bag.

the only one of these discs that has proven understable for me is the 133 katana... but i just don't flip plastic very easily... even vulcans and archons at the lighter weights hyzer out for me. it's what initially got me excited for the technology... flippy plastic, even for emma!!!

[matt]

have any of you ladies thrown a blizzard krait
i have one, i bought to play with and give to my wife
it often seems to slip out of my hand early, compared to my other lighter CH plastic