ROC Versus BUZZZ!!! First time event in West Sound! - May 5th N.A.D. Park

[WestsoundBT]

That's right... Roc versus Buzzz. West Sound Style.

May 5th, as part of West Sound Disc Golf Association's
Worlds Biggest Disc Golf Weekend 2012

More info coming on both the Roc v Buzzz, as well as the whole weekend of events.

Consider this the first notice and teaser..

http://web.mac.com/uwblt/WBDGW/Roc_vs_Buzz_Event_files/Roc%20Verus%20Buzzz%2012x18%20teaser.jpg

[Flatroc]

That's right... Roc versus Buzzz. West Sound Style.

May 5th, as part of West Sound Disc Golf Association's
Worlds Biggest Disc Golf Weekend 2012

More info coming on both the Roc v Buzzz, as well as the whole weekend of events.

Consider this the first notice and teaser..

http://web.mac.com/uwblt/WBDGW/Roc_vs_Buzz_Event_files/Roc%20Verus%20Buzzz%2012x18%20teaser.jpg


question:
Is John Houck going to offer the Roc and Buzzz as opposed to what's been offered as of late?

[Big dawg 99]

long live the roc Innova is the best choice:trophy:

[mine all mine]

I would gladly take that challenge...Buzzz for the win!

[Big dawg 99]

I would gladly take that challenge...Buzzz for the win!

its on

[WestsoundBT]

question:
Is John Houck going to offer the Roc and Buzzz as opposed to what's been offered as of late?

No, World's Biggest Central operations is doing their usual Millenium thing. Their information is at www.wbdgw.com Disc info for them is not up on the site yet however. [EDIT: Yes, they are offering Rocs! But we're not doin' the ordering']

Our West Sound Disc Golf Association is hosting our weekend in the spirit of Houck's event. We're offering a weekend of fun-filled events on our Kitsap County, WA courses. The Roc vs Buzzz event is part of that weekend line-up.

We are not doing the central Worlds Biggest merchandise for the weekend, although we'll have some great stuff and prizes to offer up including discs. The Buzzz vs Roc isn't merchandise centered either. Buzz/Roc is not to be a "Get stuff" event - rather a.. "show off your roc/buzzz skills" event with a rivalry edge.

Full website for our weekend and the Roc/Buzzz showdown event coming soonly.

ok, start campaigning to give your preferred side the competitive edge!

Team Roc will need some help over here in Kitsap against the Buzzz Hordes! (I'm calling it the Scott Papa effect over here - not that there's anything wrong with that..)

Brian Thornton
member, West Sound Disc Golf Association
Organizing host of WSDGA Worlds Biggest Weekend 2012

[Flatroc]

Sounds like a blast!
I've been wanting to do something like this for a while.
Good job and good luck.
My feelings are that the Roc is such a bad-ass disc that Discraft had to try and make something similar.
So, Jim and the boys back east figured they better make one as close to the Roc as they could.
Rocs are #1! :rockon:
Buzzzes are (for lack of better words) bastard copycat discs! :whistler:

[TYVEK]

whenever i see a "roc vs buzzz" conversation i always cringe slightly. only because technicaly the Wasp is a closer comparison to a Roc as far as disc charicteristics go. i understand the Buzzz is more popular than the Wasp and that is the only reason it gets pitted against the Roc.

i learned with time that i dont really care which disc is better, because neither is better than the other. it all comes down to who is throwing the disc. with that said,

GO DISCRAFT!!!! BUZZZZZZZZZZ(only because wasp is not a choice)

[mine all mine]

(only because wasp is not a choice)

My trusty x wasp will be very jealous if I play this. It has been a go to staple for me for years

[Flatroc]

My opinion only.
The Wasp is the spitting image of a Roc and they didn't want the controversy, so they made the Buzzz. :whistler:
Roc On!

[cefire]

Go Banana...I mean Aviar!!! Sounds like a really fun event :yay:

[Big dawg 99]

The only good place to throw a buzz is off a cliff :seeya:

[TYVEK]

The only good place to throw a buzz is off a cliff :seeya:

it will still end up in a basket though. thats how good it is! :laughing:

[SPIDER-DAN]

I agree with tyvek.........it should be a wasp vs. Roc showdown. Of course there is the hornet and the drone that would easily compare.

Wish it was more of a innova vs. Discraft vs. Any other mid-range showdown, but that is just my opinion.

[Big dawg 99]

it will still end up in a basket though. thats how good it is! :laughing:

You do mean the laundry basket right:laughing::headbang::waaah:



there is nothing like a old roc,or a new roc, and just about any roc!!!!!!

[Flatroc]

You do mean the laundry basket right:laughing::headbang::waaah:



there is nothing like a old roc,or a new roc, and just about any roc!!!!!!


You're too nice, I would've said "trash" basket. :biggrin2:

[WestsoundBT]

Playing Details
(website still pending to be linky-ed up to wsdga homepage)

Time: 2:00 pm
Location:N.A.D. Park, Bremerton
Cost: None!

Why this location for Roc vs Buzzz? N.A.D. is going to be set up for Worlds Biggest Disc Golf Weekend in the most friendly A pins (short).
The plan will be to play from all Red (short) tees. Great par 54 course, and birdie chances will be in abundance!!

How it works

Each Participant at check in selects if they are going to play for “Team Roc” or “Team Buzzz”
Each participant then receives a team colored scorecard
Each Team gathers together for team photos and comaraderie

Playing groups of 4 are formed by sending out 2 Roc’ers and 2 Buzzz’ers until the larger group fills out remaining playing groups.
Shotgun start.

Each player plays one round of disc golf with singles scoring format, with all throws counted. (Stroke play)
One scorecard per player.

Disc limitations:

Team Roc: Limited to only “Roc” discs. (Can use and carry multiple discs, but all must qualify for selected team.)
Examples: Roc discs in dx, star, champ, glow, KCPro,r-pro... ALL variants, including superRoc, classic roc, Roc+, USDGC thrower Roc,blah,blah,blah etc.

Team Buzzz: Limited to only “Buzzz” discs. (Can use and carry multiple discs, but all must qualify for selected team)
Examples: Buzzz discs in ProD, ESP, Z, Cryztal, glow, Supercolor,... ALL variants, including BuzzzSS and BuzzzGT, blah,blah,blah ....titanium... etc.

Note *****No Putters! Only Roc or Buzzzes*****

[WestsoundBT]

Scoring for the Battle

Scorecards are returned with round throw totals filled out
Note: scores will be observed as recorded, however a maximum allowable score will be set at 70. This means that a score of 92 or 115 will be adjusted to a 70 before all data is processed. The host will have the opportunity to address a DNF, or “Did Not Finish”. A DNF may be assigned a score of 70 as well.

Categories to determine winner of Roc vs. Buzzz

-Team of Best Score earner
-Team with Better Median Score
- Team with Better Mean Average Score
- Best Mean Average of Top 6 (best) of each team
- Team with Highest percentage of players under course par

5 categories = odd number of categories

In case of crazy crazy crazy tie with tied categories, I'm thinking the fall back would be a massive winner takes all the glory for the team ctp at NAD from "the usual spot".

[WestsoundBT]

Quick pre-emptive comments:

no putters? Yup, deal with it! We want Roc(s) and Buzzzes in action, not putters from 200' and in, or when "close enough" and we're not marking 10m. Hey, this is a get out of comfort zone fun thing from the word go.

Scoring categories are redundant? Sure some are, some seem that way, and some may surprise us afterward. We'll do the math so you don't have to - Don't spend too much time thinking about it!

Group size disparity between Roc'ers and Buzzzers? I'm quite sure the groups will be different sizes! If you have a vested interest... get the players with skills to play for your team!

It's a campaign year - sway the skilled independents to your cause!

:rockon::cheerleader:

[cefire]

Unskilled independent possibly looking for team...



I still think Team Aviar would leave the Roc/Buzzz in the dust at this awesome, fun, unique, fantabulous tourney :)

[Big dawg 99]

Sign me up for team roc i have five in the bag now 2 glow,2 flat tops and 1super roc:trophy:

[jeffmonty]

Great idea, Brian! Why not??? This sounds like it will be tons 'o fun! :yay:

[Joshua Olmsted]

Hmmm...seems like those categories could create a solid upset if there is one small but skilled team that could grab the top scorer and 2 of the 3 broad spectrum average categories.

Needless to say, me and my 5 buzzes WILL BE THERE, ready to cream some old, dusty, Innova plastic into the ground!

[Darr]

I use a buzz to play fetch with my dog. :D

[WestsoundBT]

http://web.mac.com/uwblt/WBDGW/Roc_vs_Buzz_Event_files/RocVBuzzz1.jpg

[WestsoundBT]

http://web.mac.com/uwblt/WBDGW/Roc_vs_Buzz_Event_files/RocVBuzzz2.jpg

[General Scales]

Buzzz FTW!

[mowens404]

If only I could play with my comet! now that is a mid-range disc you can throw. I throw rocs and don't have any buzzz's in my bag, but I would probably go pick one up to play in this. I like the buzz better for all around.

[WestsoundBT]

Great idea, Brian! Why not??? This sounds like it will be tons 'o fun! :yay:

Bring it on Monty!

psst...You do know this isn't Comet v Polecat ,right?

(though I guess that would have you even more conflicted...)

[Kenny B]

http://web.mac.com/uwblt/WBDGW/Roc_vs_Buzz_Event_files/RocVBuzzz2.jpg

Oh no! I might have to play for team Roc now!!!

:rockon:Can you smeeeeeelllllllll what the Rock is cookin?!?!?!?!?!?!:rockon:

[WestsoundBT]

http://web.mac.com/uwblt/WBDGW/Roc_vs_Buzz_Event_files/RocVBuzzz2.jpg

http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/lifeline-live/2010/01/12/Conan%20O%27Brienx-inset-community.jpg
"Andy, I'm tellin' ya... totally not a fair match up.. Totally not fair...One of these guys is a living American legend....


....and the other was on dancing with the stars.."

.

[ScottW]

What an awesome idea for an event. I may have to look into this for a similar type event in my area. GREAT IDEA!

[Big dawg 99]

ROCky balboa vs BUZZliteyear.



cut me mick cut me.:trophy: to last card and beyond.:explode:

[Discgolfingkilmers]

sounds like a great event
I will be there TEAM ROC OF COURSE
HOW ABOUT SOME SHIRTS?

[BIGARMBRANDON]

The only good place to throw a buzz is off a cliff :seeya:

HAAAAA!!! Only time I wouldn't be ashamed to

[BIGARMBRANDON]

We all do know that team ROC is gonna win right??? All this discussion is just for the sake of discussion right, and I will be there

[jeffmonty]

Bring it on Monty!

psst...You do know this isn't Comet v Polecat ,right?

(though I guess that would have you even more conflicted...)

I was getting ready to ask "When is the Comet vs. Leopard tourney going to be?" You know i'm on team Comet FTW! :chug:

[BIGARMBRANDON]

Think the title should some how Incorporate the birds and the bees
The birds and he bees battle for dominance

[cefire]

Don't you mean the Birds and the BogEEs

[Big dawg 99]

Don't you mean the Birds and the BogEEs



Thats the way we like it. Definitions right out of the dictionary.:shooting:

[Kenny B]

Well, I sure am glad to see some of you ROCers :rockon: will be coming out to the west side. During the planning stages of this event, I was a little worried all the ROC throwers in the greater Seattle area would be too "busy" (perhaps scared is a better word :laughing:) to come over and get stung by the swarm of Buzz loving locals. :nahnah: We'll try not to send you home in too much pain.

:bowing: :bowing: :bowing: :bowing:
Bow down to the Buzzz!

[Big dawg 99]

the roc is like a spartan it bows to none
the west siders dont know what kinda can your opening
you'll return to the hive empty handed
lets make it offical I WILL GARANTEE A WIN FOR ROC bring it i will:shooting:

[TreeLove]

Does a guarantee count if it is misspelled? All those Roc throwers will have a good Buzzz by the end of the event, I predict.

[papatart]

I think the "Roc VS Buzzz" is a very fun idea. I only wish it had been more of a "one disc" competition to truly show that the Buzzz is the disc over the Roc. Roc players would never be able to even compete in the event if each entrant had to come to the event with a brand new Roc or Buzzz of their choice. Why? Because (a) no one really knows what each new Roc will throw like and (b) the players that do throw Rocs usually say that their favorite "tuned" Roc is one that is seasoned, beat in and flies straighter rather than overstable....like a brand new Buzzz out of the box.

Game on...the times have changed....the most popular midrange disc is now the Buzzz....and there is more than one reason for it.

So if you want to slap me down, I'll bring a brand new Z Buzzz and you can grab a brand new Champion Roc at a local shop and we...oh wait...that's right, you can't even get the supposed greatest disc ever in champion plastic unless you want to spend a mint. You know what, just grab a Buzz and let's go have some fun.

Later!!!!!
Papa

[olydiscgolf]

I think the "Roc VS Buzzz" is a very fun idea. I only wish it had been more of a "one disc" competition to truly show that the Buzzz is the disc over the Roc. Roc players would never be able to even compete in the event if each entrant had to come to the event with a brand new Roc or Buzzz of their choice. Why? Because (a) no one really knows what each new Roc will throw like and (b) the players that do throw Rocs usually say that their favorite "tuned" Roc is one that is seasoned, beat in and flies straighter rather than overstable....like a brand new Buzzz out of the box.

Game on...the times have changed....the most popular midrange disc is now the Buzzz....and there is more than one reason for it.

So if you want to slap me down, I'll bring a brand new Z Buzzz and you can grab a brand new Champion Roc at a local shop and we...oh wait...that's right, you can't even get the supposed greatest disc ever in champion plastic unless you want to spend a mint. You know what, just grab a Buzz and let's go have some fun.

Later!!!!!
Papa



The DX Roc is so good, most players dont need champion plastic! The Champion Roc is just the ace in the hole!

[Darr]

I think the "Roc VS Buzzz" is a very fun idea. I only wish it had been more of a "one disc" competition to truly show that the Buzzz is the disc over the Roc. Roc players would never be able to even compete in the event if each entrant had to come to the event with a brand new Roc or Buzzz of their choice. Why? Because (a) no one really knows what each new Roc will throw like and (b) the players that do throw Rocs usually say that their favorite "tuned" Roc is one that is seasoned, beat in and flies straighter rather than overstable....like a brand new Buzzz out of the box.

Game on...the times have changed....the most popular midrange disc is now the Buzzz....and there is more than one reason for it.

So if you want to slap me down, I'll bring a brand new Z Buzzz and you can grab a brand new Champion Roc at a local shop and we...oh wait...that's right, you can't even get the supposed greatest disc ever in champion plastic unless you want to spend a mint. You know what, just grab a Buzz and let's go have some fun.

Later!!!!!
Papa
champion Rocs are available off the shelf now. Everyone knows the wasp and buzz are just re-tooled Rocs how original lol :bricks:

[Flatroc]

The DX Roc is so good, most players dont need champion plastic! The Champion Roc is just the ace in the hole!

Word!

[SPIDER-DAN]

I dont think all champion mold rocs are available right off the shelf. Most of the champion rocs on the shelves are the new plus mold or some other mold other than rancho (which is the most common and what mostly gets tossed by roc throwers). I believe some retooled san marino rocs came out, but it would be hard to get an ontario mold off the shelf.

I wish it was more of a midrange battle rather than just one disc. I am loving my buzzz ss, glow buzzz, wasp, hornet, drone combination..............sorry rocs.............you may never make it back in my bag again.

[mine all mine]

Everyone knows the wasp and buzz are just re-tooled Rocs how original lol :bricks:

Show me the similarities between the Buzzz and the Roc. They are completely different. The Wasp might be a version of the Roc, but who really cares. I would never stop throwing my wasp, but when I need to be sure I always reach for the Buzzz!

[TYVEK]

i have always thought it would be cool to have a tournament along the lines of Roc Vs. Buzzz, but with a twist to it. it would be a 2 round tournament and with the entry fee each person would recieve 2 discs, 1 roc and 1 buzzz. 1 round would be played with one of the discs and the 2nd round would be played with the other disc.

it would give everybody a chance to actually use each disc and see which one performs better for them. and like Scott was saying, all the discs would be new so there wouldnt be any advantages. well execpt discraft players would have an advantage because you can pick up a brand new disc and you will know for sure how it will fly because of discrafts consistant plastic. :D

[General Scales]

What an awesome idea for an event. I may have to look into this for a similar type event in my area. GREAT IDEA!

And you know that Team Buzzz would kick the crap out of Team Roc if you threw it over here. I'll say it again, Buzzz FTW!

[General Scales]

I totally like the idea of two new discs. Unfortunately, you'd have those Innova purists refusing to touch a Buzzz. My guess is because they'd throw the Buzzz and realize what they've been missing out on.

Still, A Buzzz is not a Roc. A Wasp is a Roc. A Mako is more like a Buzzz.

[WestsoundBT]

Interestingly...

The two disc player pack Roc V Buzzz has been done before. In my research leading up to our Westsound version of Roc v Buzzz I found a number of different iterations. The two round, two disc version was one. Some others went one disc, some allowed putters (then had to get all technical on when it could be used)

Interestingly, the two disc player pack offering seemed like they had some trouble getting the discs sourced, since they wanted both the roc and buzzz images worked into a hotstamp, although I believe they got what they wanted.

This really fun, really pride-on-the-line, put up or shut up event is part of a weekend of events we've set aside each year where there's no entry fees, no player packs, no script deals, no ratings, no... well, you get the picture...

but still the world to play for! So keep the smack talk flowing and lets rumble in May!


"On the cinq-o de may-o..
the Buzzzes and Rocs will Fly-o!"

[Big dawg 99]

I think the "Roc VS Buzzz" is a very fun idea. I only wish it had been more of a "one disc" competition to truly show that the Buzzz is the disc over the Roc. Roc players would never be able to even compete in the event if each entrant had to come to the event with a brand new Roc or Buzzz of their choice. Why? Because (a) no one really knows what each new Roc will throw like and (b) the players that do throw Rocs usually say that their favorite "tuned" Roc is one that is seasoned, beat in and flies straighter rather than overstable....like a brand new Buzzz out of the box.

Game on...the times have changed....the most popular midrange disc is now the Buzzz....and there is more than one reason for it.

So if you want to slap me down, I'll bring a brand new Z Buzzz and you can grab a brand new Champion Roc at a local shop and we...oh wait...that's right, you can't even get the supposed greatest disc ever in champion plastic unless you want to spend a mint. You know what, just grab a Buzz and let's go have some fun.

Later!!!!!
Papa

So what i see you are saying is that a buzzz is like a used car off the back lot.
And a roc is like a new car off the show room floor, not off the back lot
Sounds like the roc has great value and the buzzz is not on car facts:bricks:
show me your roc facts.to many titles to list.:bowing::cheers::trophy:

[DMajor]

I throw both Innova and Discraft and don't have any allegiance to either brand. Disccraft putters have always felt better to me and lately I have been carrying a x wasp, flx buzz, and z buzz ss, as my midrange discs (I used to have rocs beat in at different levels in the bag and may at some point go back to them). For drivers I have always preferred the way innova's different molds fly especially in relation to each other and I've thrown plenty of disccraft drivers. Meaning when I throw two different molds the same way I like the suttle flight variations I get with innova.

That being said, I hear the "disccraft discs are better because they fly more predictably new than innova new" argument quite a lot. To me this argument doesn't really make sense nor do I think it's the determining factor in which disc is better. Reason being is even if new discraft flies more predictably than new innova (which may be true), how many of us rely on brand new discs for competitive disc golf? Aside from the occasional odd tournament where you can only use new discs, I'd bet that most skilled disccraft throwers still like to have built some trust in their specific discs before they go into a bag for a round of important golf. I'd also be willing to bet the majority of skilled disccraft throwers break in backup discs so they have that established trust in their backup discs if they need to go in the bag.

Personally, my backups from both brands of discs won't get the opportunity to play in the game if they haven't paid their dues in practice. What then becomes the most important thing to me is how does that disc fly after it's been broken in (the condition it will actually get used). I'd much rather have a disc that flies the way I want it to fly after it's been broken than a disc that flies sort of the way I want it to fly brand new.

Basically, a brand new disc comparison only determines what discs are better brand new and says little about the overall value of the disc. The overall value of the disc to me is how does that disc fly after it's been broken in and trust has been established, not before.

[mine all mine]

So what i see you are saying is that a buzzz is like a used car off the back lot.
And a roc is like a new car off the show room floor, not off the back lot
Sounds like the roc has great value and the buzzz is not on car facts:bricks:
show me your roc facts.to many titles to list.:bowing::cheers::trophy:

What I think he was saying is a Buzzz is like a supercharged Hemi out of the box, where as a Roc needs some serious tuning before it reaches that level of perfection...:trophy:

[dan mc]

;)[QUOTE=SPIDER-DAN;115822]I dont think all champion mold rocs are available right off the shelf. Most of the champion rocs on the shelves are the new plus mold or some other mold other than rancho (which is the most common and what mostly gets tossed by roc throwers). I believe some retooled san marino rocs came out, but it would be hard to get an ontario mold off the shelf.

I wish it was more of a midrange battle rather than just one disc. I am loving my buzzz ss, glow buzzz, wasp, hornet, drone combination..............sorry rocs.............you may never make it back in my bag again
Drinking way too much of that pappa tart kool-aid...hopefully somebody can talk ya down off that DC ledge..... So got any rocs on close out

[SPIDER-DAN]

As you already know dan..........i have plenty of usdgc rocs for sell and i mean plenty. I will see you at white river this weekend and if anyone wants me to bring any rocs of any kind i can. I mostly have usdgc rocs........champion rancho, champion san marino, champion ontario, star rancho, etc. Also have 11x kc pro and some really cool 150 class from japan open........not as understable as you might think.

Prices vary depending on mold and plastic. If no one has a request i will not bring any..........i really dont have much use for the rocs since the discraft line of midranges covers it all.

[Matt B.]

As you already know dan..........i have plenty of usdgc rocs for sell and i mean plenty. I will see you at white river this weekend and if anyone wants me to bring any rocs of any kind i can. I mostly have usdgc rocs........champion rancho, champion san marino, champion ontario, star rancho, etc. Also have 11x kc pro and some really cool 150 class from japan open........not as understable as you might think.

Prices vary depending on mold and plastic. If no one has a request i will not bring any..........i really dont have much use for the rocs since the discraft line of midranges covers it all.

Dan, I'd be happy to take all your max or near max weight 11x KC pro Rocs off your hands, send me a PM. :)

[papatart]

So what i see you are saying is that a buzzz is like a used car off the back lot.
And a roc is like a new car off the show room floor, not off the back lot
Sounds like the roc has great value and the buzzz is not on car facts:bricks:
show me your roc facts.to many titles to list.:bowing::cheers::trophy:

Nope, what I am saying is that NO ONE wants to throw a brand new Roc because it doesn't fly the way they want it to. They have to throw the disc (poorly) so that it hits enough trees to finally start to act like the disc they want it to. Which happens to be how a Buzzz throws right out of the box.

As for the argument from DMajor, he made my point exactly. You don't don't count on a new Roc out of the box because (A) it doesn't fly like your beat in tuned Roc (Buzzz flight) and (B) it is hard to say exactly just how over stable it will be because you just never know from run to run.

You see, it's not that I play with a brand new disc all the time, but it is awesome for a player to buy a disc, know how it is going to throw right out of the box and hold that line of throwing in its lifetime (Thank you Z and ESP plastic). Sure, you can take that DX Roc and beat it into submission so that it now throws properly (like a brand new or used Buzzz) but don't smack another tree with it because then it becomes your turnover Roc and now you have to work on getting another favorite Roc ready for your bag.

So yeah, bring out your 8 different Rocs that all fly differently, I will bring my Buzzz (only one needed) and we can have a little fun. I will say that all kidding aside (which is what this has all been), if you are not a sponsored player, you owe it to yourself to try all discs no matter what brand. Don't be swayed by blind loyalty as you may miss out on a really great disc (I.E. I really think the Northman is an awesome driver that a lot of people would probably love to throw). The last time I went back East, it was amazing how almost everyone's bag was Innova drivers and Discraft mids. So have fun and try 'em all!

See ya' soon!
Scott "Buzzz lover" Papa

[WestsoundBT]

So, if I was to summarize Scott's principal argument:

http://web.mac.com/uwblt/WBDGW/Roc_vs_Buzz_Event_files/RocVBuzzz3.jpg


(I know, I know...I'm a horrible person for this)

[Scott]

Nope, what I am saying is that NO ONE wants to throw a brand new Roc because it doesn't fly the way they want it to. They have to throw the disc (poorly) so that it hits enough trees to finally start to act like the disc they want it to. Which happens to be how a Buzzz throws right out of the box.

As for the argument from DMajor, he made my point exactly. You don't don't count on a new Roc out of the box because (A) it doesn't fly like your beat in tuned Roc (Buzzz flight) and (B) it is hard to say exactly just how over stable it will be because you just never know from run to run.

You see, it's not that I play with a brand new disc all the time, but it is awesome for a player to buy a disc, know how it is going to throw right out of the box and hold that line of throwing in its lifetime (Thank you Z and ESP plastic). Sure, you can take that DX Roc and beat it into submission so that it now throws properly (like a brand new or used Buzzz) but don't smack another tree with it because then it becomes your turnover Roc and now you have to work on getting another favorite Roc ready for your bag.

So yeah, bring out your 8 different Rocs that all fly differently, I will bring my Buzzz (only one needed) and we can have a little fun. I will say that all kidding aside (which is what this has all been), if you are not a sponsored player, you owe it to yourself to try all discs no matter what brand. Don't be swayed by blind loyalty as you may miss out on a really great disc (I.E. I really think the Northman is an awesome driver that a lot of people would probably love to throw). The last time I went back East, it was amazing how almost everyone's bag was Innova drivers and Discraft mids. So have fun and try 'em all!

See ya' soon!
Scott "Buzzz lover" Papa

So what happens to a Buzzz when it gets beat in? If they fly perfect right out of the box don't they get to an unusable state faster? Or are they somehow immune to becoming too flippy? And since when are discs sold in a box? :biggrin2:

I know this post seems suspiciously trollish, but honestly that's not how I intended it. I'm not a frequent Buzzz thrower, but I'm open to the idea. On a side note, I love my Discraft Roc,err, Wasp.

[mine all mine]

So what happens to a Buzzz when it gets beat in? If they fly perfect right out of the box don't they get to an unusable state faster? Or are they somehow immune to becoming too flippy? And since when are discs sold in a box? :biggrin2:

I know this post seems suspiciously trollish, but honestly that's not how I intended it. I'm not a frequent Buzzz thrower, but I'm open to the idea. On a side note, I love my Discraft Roc,err, Wasp.

I have a sparkle cryztal Buzzz that I have been throwing for about four years now. it was in my bag for three solid years, but now only goes in my bag for competition rounds. It flies so close to the same as when it was brand new that I am amazed at how long it has lasted. I used to throw Roc's but I hated when I hit that last object (which happened to be chains on my last Roc) that turned it from the best thing ever to flippy.

[Scott]

I have a sparkle cryztal Buzzz that I have been throwing for about four years now. it was in my bag for three solid years, but now only goes in my bag for competition rounds. It flies so close to the same as when it was brand new that I am amazed at how long it has lasted. I used to throw Roc's but I hated when I hit that last object (which happened to be chains on my last Roc) that turned it from the best thing ever to flippy.

So why would anyone ever need to buy more than one Buzzz? :laughing:

[Big dawg 99]

one roc 12 years still in bag
one roc 8 years still in bag
two rocs 6 years in the bag
one two months in the bag

I still know what I like. to each there own. This will be settled at N.A.D.

A roc will last forever but a buzzz will only last a couple hours.:cheers::drool:

I will also play with just one roc

Roc on :rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::r ockon::rockon:
:rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::r ockon::rockon::rockon:

[discaholic1982]

I think the "Roc VS Buzzz" is a very fun idea. I only wish it had been more of a "one disc" competition to truly show that the Buzzz is the disc over the Roc. Roc players would never be able to even compete in the event if each entrant had to come to the event with a brand new Roc or Buzzz of their choice. Why? Because (a) no one really knows what each new Roc will throw like and (b) the players that do throw Rocs usually say that their favorite "tuned" Roc is one that is seasoned, beat in and flies straighter rather than overstable....like a brand new Buzzz out of the box.

Game on...the times have changed....the most popular midrange disc is now the Buzzz....and there is more than one reason for it.

So if you want to slap me down, I'll bring a brand new Z Buzzz and you can grab a brand new Champion Roc at a local shop and we...oh wait...that's right, you can't even get the supposed greatest disc ever in champion plastic unless you want to spend a mint. You know what, just grab a Buzz and let's go have some fun.

Later!!!!!
Papa
dx or dx glow ontario rocs fly like a seasoned roc right off the shelf!!!!

[Kenny B]

So what happens to a Buzzz when it gets beat in? If they fly perfect right out of the box don't they get to an unusable state faster? Or are they somehow immune to becoming too flippy? And since when are discs sold in a box? :biggrin2:

I know this post seems suspiciously trollish, but honestly that's not how I intended it. I'm not a frequent Buzzz thrower, but I'm open to the idea. On a side note, I love my Discraft Roc,err, Wasp.

My primary Buzzz is Z plastic and has a sweet dye on it. I've been throwing it for both casual rounds and tournament rounds since 2008. I play, almost exclusively, heavily wooded courses (come play NAD for this event, if you want to know what I mean) and it continues to have the same flight as when I bought it and new ones out of the box.


So why would anyone ever need to buy more than one Buzzz? :laughing:

I know it flies the same as new ones out of the box because I continue to acquire new ones when I find ones with sweet stamps or with nice colors. I like to take a nice stack of 4-6 buzzzes out to the field for warm-up or practice.

Oh, and I had a nice pink one I felt inspired to use at the BSF on the East course, hole 9, for my second shot. I sank it for the eagle (yes, during the official round) and had to retire that disc to the wall!! Another good reason to go buy another sweet buzzz.

[Big dawg 99]

Listen here are you still tring to get over that nasty buzzz. Are the side effect leaving you confused and disastrous. If you act now you too can be the proud owner of a new roc. No more feeling tired of lost strokes or unfavorable lies. You to can be that disc golfer that eveybody is talking about. Ack now before you lose all self-esteem. Your just one roc away from a healthy and productive disc golf adventure. Wake up and smell the birdies.
:rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon:

[TYVEK]

the Roc is the Main reason that i left Innova and have a healthy disgust rate with innova and its founder.

[Matt B.]

the Roc is the Main reason that i left Innova and have a healthy disgust rate with innova and its founder.

How did you "leave" Innova, and who is the founder?

[mine all mine]

Listen here are you still tring to get over that nasty buzzz. Are the side effect leaving you confused and disastrous. If you act now you too can be the proud owner of a new roc. No more feeling tired of lost strokes or unfavorable lies. You to can be that disc golfer that eveybody is talking about. Ack now before you lose all self-esteem. Your just one roc away from a healthy and productive disc golf adventure. Wake up and smell the birdies.
:rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon:

Yes, a roc is exactly what I need to get over my Buzzz:rolleyes2: But lets discuss what we all can do with a roc and a Buzzz:

roc:
Paper weight
have too many in my bag while swimming and drown:bricks:
throw off a cliff while Buzzz-ed and laugh:laughing:
skip across water while Buzzz-ed and laugh
Wonder how there are so many rocs to choose from and laugh while Buzzz-ed:headbang:
Figure out that throwing a roc is pointless without a buzzz...:nahnah:

Buzzz:
have fun while playing disc golf
do I need more reasons? :trophy:

[TYVEK]

How did you "leave" Innova, and who is the founder?

i left innova by throwing discraft discs and other companies. and the founder is dave dunipace.

[Big dawg 99]

Yes, a roc is exactly what I need to get over my Buzzz:rolleyes2: But lets discuss what we all can do with a roc and a Buzzz:

roc:
Paper weight
have too many in my bag while swimming and drown:bricks:
throw off a cliff while Buzzz-ed and laugh:laughing:
skip across water while Buzzz-ed and laugh
Wonder how there are so many rocs to choose from and laugh while Buzzz-ed:headbang:
Figure out that throwing a roc is pointless without a buzzz...:nahnah:

Buzzz:
have fun while playing disc golf
do I need more reasons? :trophy:

Sounds like you need an intervention? you could call docter drew,
He seems to help the hard cases. Just tring to help a brother out.
:rockon::rockon::rockon:




:bricks:
Buzzz

[Discgolfingkilmers]

Sounds like you need an intervention? you could call docter drew,
He seems to help the hard cases. Just tring to help a brother out.
:rockon::rockon::rockon:




:bricks:
Buzzz

mike you need spell check

[DMajor]

mike you need spell check

What about capitilization and punctuation?

[SPIDER-DAN]

What about capitilization and punctuation?

what About IT....!

[hyphenboy]

Chalk me up for team roc. Bring it!!!

[WestsoundBT]

Update: Word on the street is that Kenny B's got a sweet spreadsheet all worked up so we can get the scoring results after the round fast fast fast!

I'm thinking its also getting nearer to time to start shout out roll calls for team commitments. Sounds like a few already are ready to lock it in.

***And hey, if you're thinking of really performing well, the best practice would be to bring your favorite rocs or buzzzes, and use 'em to play the Discin' at the Depot at NAD this Saturday. What's better practice than that?

Plus, this saturday at NAD there will be some West Sound star ontario rocs for sale, and maybe there's still a 2011 West Sound glo buzzz or two in the box as well. (not to mention all the blizzard stuff too)

[Kenny B]

Update: Word on the street is that Kenny B's got a sweet spreadsheet all worked up so we can get the scoring results after the round fast fast fast!

The word on the street is right!

And it's fast with killer ninja speed.

[WestsoundBT]

http://web.mac.com/uwblt/WBDGW/Roc_vs_Buzz_Event_files/Rocs%20and%20Buzzzes.jpg

Somebody help me, I can't decide!

It might be a game time decision.

In the oft repeated words of the Jerry Springer show circa 1999...

"I can't decide..I love 'em both!"
http://blog.seattlepi.com/viewfromthebleachers/files/library/TV_-_Jerry_Springer_show_fight.jpg

see you saturday at NAD at 2 pm. Come early to smack talk and check in!

Which side are you playing on?

[TREX]

whenever i see a "roc vs buzzz" conversation i always cringe slightly. only because technicaly the Wasp is a closer comparison to a Roc as far as disc charicteristics go. i understand the Buzzz is more popular than the Wasp and that is the only reason it gets pitted against the Roc.

I have a Elite Z BUZZ super straight modified wasp on my wall. Would that work? :jumpspin:

[TYVEK]

I have a Elite Z BUZZ super straight modified wasp on my wall. Would that work? :jumpspin:

i think this--->:jumpspin:<----- sums it all up. :biggrin2:

[Kenny B]

I have a Elite Z BUZZ super straight modified wasp on my wall. Would that work? :jumpspin:

Yup, that is a buzzz (super straight modified wasp). The funny part is that it makes a buzzz-ss a super straight modified wasp super straight! Maybe a super duper straight modified wasp would've been a good alternate name for the buzzz-ss.

[Yardbird]

. . . .Go Team Buzzz :nahnah: :shooting:


:cheerleader: West Sound Style (baskets with grass skirts!!!). :cheerleader:


This Saturday, May 5th.


http://web.mac.com/uwblt/WBDGW/Roc_vs_Buzz_Event_files/Roc%20Verus%20Buzzz%2012x18%20teaser.jpg

[EnigmaSquad]

All right Roll Call! now that the event is a day away, who will be there and what team are you playing on?

Team Buzz here...

[Kenny B]

All right Roll Call! now that the event is a day away, who will be there and what team are you playing on?

Team Buzz here...

Here for Team Buzzz as well.

That's 2-0 (Buzzz-Roc), we're winning already!

[jeffmonty]

I'll be there with Rocs in hand! :chug:

[hyphenboy]

Rocs in hand. or in bag...

[Yardbird]

As the dust settles.................


Team Buzzz is the champion. :trophy:


Team Roc will have to wait until next year for a rematch. :nahnah:

[Kenny B]

Official Score Board:

http://www.wsdga.org/Images/Photos/2012_Roc_vs_Buzzz.jpg

:trophy:Team Buzzz won all 5 categories.:trophy:

[mine all mine]

Wish I could have made it out for this, but it seems team BUZZZ needed no more help to wrap up the win!!!!! I would call that an a@$ whoopin

[TREX]

Look at the amount of players per team...... err

[EnigmaSquad]

And whose fault is that? :blush:
We tried to make the scoring categories as fair as we could and not dependent on sample size.(but you can only do so much) We have some great takeaways and great ideas for next year already!

[mine all mine]

Look at the amount of players per team...... err

That is exactly why it is an a@$ whoopin, almost double the amount of BUZZZ throwers and the averages are still better. Looks like team BUZZZ showed up to play and team roc, well...didn't quite show

[papatart]

A truly fun event. Thanks to Brian and WSDGA for putting on such a unique gig. I knew the winner was the Buzzz from the moment that more people were throwing it than the Roc. It reminds me of my early snowboarding days when we dreamt of the day that there would be more boarders than skiers on the hill. Who ever thought that the Roc would be replaced as the most popular midrange........

Past that, congrats to Brian for throwing the hot Roc round with a 45 and Ron for killing it with a 44 with the Buzzz. If I could have only putted I woulda been a contenda....maybe next year.

Until then, keep the Big D flying and I hope to wee you at a course sometime soon!

Later,
Scott Papa

[WestsoundBT]

Well you know what they say... the first one sets the stage. The second one really gets things going well. And then by third you're adding ewoks and other stuff that starts to spoil the... oh wait - We're still talking Roc v Buzzz.

Most importantly, it was interesting to see many of our local players who played the Roc v Buzzz and found that they threw their Best ever rounds at NAD for this layout. In fact, one of the 46's was by really far a personal best for one of our members.

I quipped after the round that many players likely shot better using one mold (either one) than they would have with their whole bag. I think some might rethink their disc selections for this Saturday's HyzerFarm Open at Dalaiwood (8:45 check in - see Hyzerfarm event thread)

Well, I think we're committed to having a "Revenge of the Roc v Buzzz" sometime next year. It way or may not be part of the Worlds Biggest Weekend, but maybe it will start to be our tradition. (maybe I'll even play Buzzz next year, who knows)

Brian Thornton
West Sound Disc Golf Association

[WestsoundBT]

And I want to thank Enigma Squad, KennyB, and Yardbird for their huge amount of help in bringing Roc V Buzzz to life. EnigmaSquad for being The Voice, and KennyB's super ninja fast spreadsheet worked super ninja effective in quick data entry and results.

We went with a different approach for forming foursomes, and it went so super fast, and got people out on the course soo smoothly, that it'd be tough to beat any other way. I was going to take Roc and Buzzz team photos, but the groups formed and got out so fast I couldn't keep up!

[matt]

ok, so when is the next one?
i have been thinking about doing an informal one of these at shelton springs

[Yardbird]

Nothing official, but most likely May 4th, 2013. (worlds biggest weekend)

[WestsoundBT]

Yes,

"Revenge of Roc vs Buzzz" is expected to take place in the Saturday afternoon time slot
May 4th as part of West Sound Disc Golf's version Of Worlds Biggest Disc Golf Weekend. I'll be assembling the structure for the weekend's activities and I intend to have it included there.

I'll start a new Roc V Buzzz event thread about it when the season draws closer.

[matt]

I hope I can make it