Master and Grandmaster divisions for the Oregon State DG Championships,

[Flatroc]

Hey Jeff,
Any chance (besides trying to play better than a lot of pro players half our age :whistler:) that you are going to make this possible for some of us old diehards?
I know this has been brought up before but speaking for myself and prolly a bunch of others, I don't think it's fair to not let (except by way of qualifications) some of the older folks have a chance to play. Just because they got old and can't keep up with all of today's young pros, IMO, shouldn't mean they don't get to compete for a State Championship. :(
A lot of these ol'timers have discovered, built and nurtured this cool sport and feel left out. :waaah:
FWIW, I did research and have yet to find any other State Championships who didn't honor their old fellers.
You know that I know and respect all the great things you've done and continue to do for the sport we both love. :cheers:
Thanks Jeff,
Yoseman
4438

[Bullseye]

Hey Jeff,
Any chance (besides trying to play better than a lot of pro players half our age :whistler:) that you are going to make this possible for some of us old diehards?
I know this has been brought up before but speaking for myself and prolly a bunch of others, I don't think it's fair to not let (except by way of qualifications) some of the older folks have a chance to play. Just because they got old and can't keep up with all of today's young pros, IMO, shouldn't mean they don't get to compete for a State Championship. :(
A lot of these ol'timers have discovered, built and nurtured this cool sport and feel left out. :waaah:
FWIW, I did research and have yet to find any other State Championships who didn't honor their old fellers.
You know that I know and respect all the great things you've done and continue to do for the sport we both love. :cheers:
Thanks Jeff,
Yoseman
4438

You're killing me Yose. Here is my dilemma. As it stands right now I have 72 slots for players.

4 Pro Women
4 Adv Women
32 Pro Men
32 Adv Men

If I start adding divisions it takes away from the existing divisions. Then where do I draw the line? If I add Pro Masters, do I add Pro Grandmasters as well? Do I also add Adv Masters? Then what about Adv Grandmasters? You see where that leads me?

I could end up with something like this:
24 Pro Men
4 Pro Women
4 Pro Masters
4 Pro Grandmasters
24 Adv Men
4 Adv Women
4 Adv. Masters
4 Adv. Grandmasters

Sadly, aside from allowing more people to play, (which admittedly is not a bad thing) I don't think it improves the event much, if at all. My original concept for this event was to put on an event where the required level of play rivaled even the USDGC; an event where every shot is a knee-knocker. The USDGC is one single division, and I felt that was a little too harsh for this area, so I allowed women's divisions and Ams. I give you a little and you always want MORE! ;)

I will say this much, if I do tweak the event to include any additional divisions this year, it would probably be to simply allow Pro and Adv. Masters Divisions. Perhaps if it all worked out I could visit the possibility of GMs next year.

Its really just matter of my original vision for the event, and overall capacity.

[Sam]

I like the idea of adding a Pro Masters and an Advanced Masters division to this...

[Bullseye]

I like the idea of adding a Pro Masters and an Advanced Masters division to this...

Official Rating cap for Adv Masters = SamsCurrentRating-1

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Official Rating cap for Adv Masters = SamsCurrentRating-1+1 ;)

[Flatroc]

You're killing me Yose. Here is my dilemma. As it stands right now I have 72 slots for players.

4 Pro Women
4 Adv Women
32 Pro Men
32 Adv Men

If I start adding divisions it takes away from the existing divisions. Then where do I draw the line? If I add Pro Masters, do I add Pro Grandmasters as well? Do I also add Adv Masters? Then what about Adv Grandmasters? You see where that leads me?

I could end up with something like this:
24 Pro Men
4 Pro Women
4 Pro Masters
4 Pro Grandmasters
24 Adv Men
4 Adv Women
4 Adv. Masters
4 Adv. Grandmasters

Sadly, aside from allowing more people to play, (which admittedly is not a bad thing) I don't think it improves the event much, if at all. My original concept for this event was to put on an event where the required level of play rivaled even the USDGC; an event where every shot is a knee-knocker. The USDGC is one single division, and I felt that was a little too harsh for this area, so I allowed women's divisions and Ams. I give you a little and you always want MORE! ;)

I will say this much, if I do tweak the event to include any additional divisions this year, it would probably be to simply allow Pro and Adv. Masters Divisions. Perhaps if it all worked out I could visit the possibility of GMs next year.

Its really just matter of my original vision for the event, and overall capacity.

Well,
IF there were 2 courses being used, you could have at least 144.
I think every division that the PDGA recognizes should be honored at a State Championship and that said event should be open to the whole state.

[Wes Hansen]

Yose makes lots of sense. It would be a great thing if there was an ADV GM division!

[Bullseye]

Guys, with all due respect, I feel like you are completely ignoring my original concept for this tournament. I'm sorry if we don't see eye to eye on this, but my intent was to provide a very challenging course and have it played by the best Pro and Am players in the state. I wanted players who qualified to experience something like the USDGC here in Oregon.

I feel like I have accomplished that and I would like to continue to improve the event, but I'm not so sure adding more people is the answer. Today, I sat here trying to justify adding the two Masters divisions only to see that even that isn't enough to appease you guys.

As for adding another course, that is not going to happen... the event IS that course.

I hope you all understand.

[Wes Hansen]

I was only jumping on Yose's bandwagon because I keep getting older.
I'm also fairly sure I'll never get to play the event and that kind of sucks...
not because of how you set it up, but because I'm not really Championship material.
Besides, you know that and I figured you knew I was just ribbing you....
unless you go with 144 players... then I want in....somehow.

[Flatroc]

Guys, with all due respect, I feel like you are completely ignoring my original concept for this tournament. I'm sorry if we don't see eye to eye on this, but my intent was to provide a very challenging course and have it played by the best Pro and Am players in the state. I wanted players who qualified to experience something like the USDGC here in Oregon.

I feel like I have accomplished that and I would like to continue to improve the event, but I'm not so sure adding more people is the answer. Today, I sat here trying to justify adding the two Masters divisions only to see that even that isn't enough to appease you guys.

As for adding another course, that is not going to happen... the event IS that course.

I hope you all understand.

Jeff,
I do understand. It's rather simple.
It's your concept and you're the TD. :biggrin2:
I really have never ignored anything you have to say as I respect you and your goals.
BUT, I do disagree with parts of your concept.
As far as getting the best in the state, you'll get most, but there are a lot of very good dger's that won't/can't attend these qualifiers. Also, I'd figure there would be some that made the events but didn't qualify.
I think the only way to find the best in the state is to have an open shootout!
Why are you so opposed to having two or more courses?
Most of us have never been or prolly never will experience the USDGC, so IMO that point is moot.
You have several challenging courses in your area that would require a champion to play his best if he wants the gold.
It seems to me if you make this gig like the USDGC stuff, you're narrowing it down to who is the smartest dger in the state.
Also, I never much cared to be the appease-ee. ;)
I make part of my living being an appease-er. :rolleyes2:
Yose

[Matt B.]

Guys, with all due respect, I feel like you are completely ignoring my original concept for this tournament. I'm sorry if we don't see eye to eye on this, but my intent was to provide a very challenging course and have it played by the best Pro and Am players in the state. I wanted players who qualified to experience something like the USDGC here in Oregon.

I feel like I have accomplished that and I would like to continue to improve the event, but I'm not so sure adding more people is the answer. Today, I sat here trying to justify adding the two Masters divisions only to see that even that isn't enough to appease you guys.

As for adding another course, that is not going to happen... the event IS that course.

I hope you all understand.

You're good Jeff, you don't need to ask for understanding. It's a cool event and people appreciate it, but people always want more. The reality is that not every event can be every thing to all people. Add more courses, add more divisions, make it available to everyone who doesn't have the time or money or determination to make it to a qualifier....blah, blah, blah.

It's a cool concept and a cool event and you do it for love of the game and it takes a ton of your time and you're the goddamn TD and you can do what you want, and call it what you want, and run it how you want.

Hey- add another course, no big deal, right? BAH!

Now about that MPM division....Just kidding (not really). I'm going to try and qualify this year to get my butt kicked by the players and the course.

[bryan_luoma]

The Trojan event that takes place in September is an awesome concept, albeit a bit unconventional for a "State Championships".

I think this is good dialogue to have for disc golf in the state of Oregon. In no way should this discussion take away from the effort, dedication, and pure awesomeness of this event.

From my perspective, it sounds like the only quandary with ORDGC is the name of the event? Bueller?

PMs and PGs want a shot at the "state title" too, understandably. What about PSs and PLs? You can see where this is going (PE, A2, J1, F*)

The concept of state championships, regional championships, national championships, and world championships for the sport of disc golf is different than other sports. Does the PDGA care about standardizing these events? Do golfers care, maybe?

Ultimately, power to the TD, IMO.

[Matt B.]

The Trojan event that takes place in September is an awesome concept, albeit a bit unconventional for a "State Championships".

I think this is good dialogue to have for disc golf in the state of Oregon. In no way should this discussion take away from the effort, dedication, and pure awesomeness of this event.

From my perspective, it sounds like the only quandary with ORDGC is the name of the event? Bueller?

PMs and PGs want a shot at the "state title" too, understandably. What about PSs and PLs? You can see where this is going (PE, A2, J1, F*)

The concept of state championships, regional championships, national championships, and world championships for the sport of disc golf is different than other sports. Does the PDGA care about standardizing these events? Do golfers care, maybe?

Ultimately, power to the TD, IMO.

This event is modeled after the USDGC, not other state championships, so maybe it is just a semantics thing with the name. There are no age based divisions at the USDGC, nor is everyone going to be able to have a chance to qualify.

If someone wants to set up an Oregon "State Championship" they could do it I suppose, can't see why not. Ultimately, the event and the concept are the property of the TD and the people who work to put it on. There is no larger sanctioning body in the state saying what you could call it or who gets to play. Jeff has pretty clearly laid out the concept, the target demographic of players, and the goals. Anyone can try to qualify at several events over several months. Try being the operative word. It's an open competition.

[emmarose]

This event is modeled after the USDGC, not other state championships, so maybe it is just a semantics thing with the name. There are no age based divisions at the USDGC, nor is everyone going to be able to have a chance to qualify.

If someone wants to set up an Oregon "State Championship" they could do it I suppose, can't see why not. Ultimately, the event and the concept are the property of the TD and the people who work to put it on. There is no larger sanctioning body in the state saying what you could call it or who gets to play. Jeff has pretty clearly laid out the concept, the target demographic of players, and the goals. Anyone can try to qualify at several events over several months. Try being the operative word. It's an open competition.

amen sing it on the mountain brother matt.

[bryan_luoma]

This event is modeled after the USDGC, not other state championships, so maybe it is just a semantics thing with the name. There are no age based divisions at the USDGC, nor is everyone going to be able to have a chance to qualify.

If someone wants to set up an Oregon "State Championship" they could do it I suppose, can't see why not. Ultimately, the event and the concept are the property of the TD and the people who work to put it on. There is no larger sanctioning body in the state saying what you could call it or who gets to play. Jeff has pretty clearly laid out the concept, the target demographic of players, and the goals. Anyone can try to qualify at several events over several months. Try being the operative word. It's an open competition.

Thanks Matt, very well articulated. Makes perfect sense.

I am surprised that Oregon does not have a "state championships". I guess it's just another event anyhow. Carry on.

BTW, I'll be looking for a caddy for ORDGC3.

[dooley]

Guys, with all due respect, I feel like you are completely ignoring my original concept for this tournament. I'm sorry if we don't see eye to eye on this, but my intent was to provide a very challenging course and have it played by the best Pro and Am players in the state. I wanted players who qualified to experience something like the USDGC here in Oregon.

I feel like I have accomplished that and I would like to continue to improve the event, but I'm not so sure adding more people is the answer. Today, I sat here trying to justify adding the two Masters divisions only to see that even that isn't enough to appease you guys.

As for adding another course, that is not going to happen... the event IS that course.

I hope you all understand.

i am also one of those who was disapointed that the osdgc did not include a masters division at all and therefore did not attempt to qualify...and would have if i participated. But i would have to stand behind jeff on this as it is his vision and effort.We had a non pdga state masters tourney 2 years ago that was awesome.Last year the worlds kinda quashed it but i considered the naac championships to be the state am championships.My point is if we want a state masters and above championship..someone else should step up and throw one....i too wish us 40s and 50s could play this event against each other...but i would not wish to disrupt jeffs vision for this event with illusions of my own...... I understand jeff......by the way when are you 40?........:laughing:;)

[Flatroc]

Jeff,
My bad, I was under the impression that most if not all of the peeps in the state (and on these boards) considered the winner's of this gig would indeed hold the title as "State Champions".
I personally do/did view it in that respect and that is the only reason I spoke up (again) for us geezers.
So, my apologies hombre. :)
adi-Yose

[Scott]

You know what would be cool? If somebody would step up and run an Oregon Masters Championship held on the same course and the same qualification standards on the following weekend. That would be very cool.

A few years ago we did have a "state championship" tournament. It was usually held at Timber (if I recall correctly) and was announced a week or two beforehand. It was available to anyone. The person who happened to know about the tournament, and was available, who happened to shoot the best that particular day was crowned the state champion. I think what Jeff has come up with is a far superior method of finding the best golfer in the state.

This talk about running another disc golf championship in the state? No thanks, we already have one.

[Flatroc]

A few years ago we did have a "state championship" tournament. It was usually held at Timber (if I recall correctly) and was announced a week or two beforehand. It was available to anyone. The person who happened to know about the tournament, and was available, who happened to shoot the best that particular day was crowned the state champion.

Yeh I was there, found out about it the night before. :rolleyes2:
Poking fun at Scott aside........ :cheers:
Our old buddy Barton Snell used to make sure ALL interested golfers (especially us rebels down south) were made aware of this (at one time) prestigious event.
This trip down memory lane makes me think of Roland Van Bibber.

[emmarose]

woah, woah, woah... hold the phone!!!

am i to understand that, according to you people, i cannot call myself "the 2011 Oregon State Women's Champion"?!?

lame sauce.


what the heck am i supposed to call myself, then?

you people and your damn semantics.

[Flatroc]

woah, woah, woah... hold the phone!!!

am i to understand that, according to you people, i cannot call myself "the 2011 Oregon State Women's Champion"?!?

lame sauce.


what the heck am i supposed to call myself, then?

you people and your damn semantics.

Emma,
Like I stated, I viewed this gig as the top one and still consider you, Nate and the other winners "State Champs". :trophy:
Odds are we're not the only ones eh? :chinscratch:
Tinnyrate, my apologies for any hurt feelings I may have caused. :cheers:
Yose

[Jeff Hemmerling]

We had a non pdga state masters tourney 2 years ago that was awesome.If Keith and I can get off our butts, we'll do it again this year!

[emmarose]

Emma,
Like I stated, I viewed this gig as the top one and still consider you, Nate and the other winners "State Champs". :trophy:
Odds are we're not the only ones eh? :chinscratch:
Tinnyrate, my apologies for any hurt feelings I may have caused. :cheers:
Yose

;)

... hurt feelings, pishposh. i just don't want to sound like an asshole when introducing myself... i'd hate to have to find another title for myself... that one just roles so nicely off the tongue...

[E Smith]

If Keith and I can get off our butts, we'll do it again this year!

Yes Jeff, I wish you and Keith would get off your lazzy good for nothing asses and run another Masters Cup :yay:


Pleeeeeease :bowing:

E :cheers:

[LegoRules]

If Keith and I can get off our butts, we'll do it again this year!

Yay that was fun, and I bet I could get more ladies out this time. I am down to help again.

Cindy :)

[pdxdiscer]

If Keith and I can get off our butts, we'll do it again this year!

that event two years ago was good times and a gathering of great players, masters all. This is the way to go to crown state champions of the ol' folks contingent.:trophy: Please don't institute a minimum body mass limit tho:shocked:

I remember complaints from those Timber state champ events:
"How can you call it a state championship if the best players aren't here?"
"there needs to be a qualifier"
there will always be a [perceived] reason why an event does not "have the best in the state" represented : "my kid was sick" that weekend, "conflicts with the 12th annual Big Mouth Open"...
Jeff's OSDGC event gives us a known format, with time to plan attendence, and whip our games into champion shape.
My age aside, if I laid off the beer, putted 50x every day, weight trained and utilized 20 years experience of disc selection/shot selection/risk analysis AND played my lucky best, I'd have the chance to attend Trojan, look at the young, sharp players around me and think "I'm gonna beat these guys"
But likely i'll be lucky to volunteer
thanks to all the TDs who've run these tourneys over the years

[Flatroc]

I do remember playing in an Or. "State" DG Championships event at Dabney.
Shupp ran that one and AA dyed 10x KC TBs, Vlks and Eagles with the American flag for players packs. I'm not sure what year that was. :chinscratch:
Pop? You were there weren't you. Any memories?

[oddjob]

I do remember playing in an Or. "State" DG Championships event at Dabney.
Shupp ran that one and AA dyed 10x KC TBs, Vlks and Eagles with the American flag for players packs. I'm not sure what year that was. :chinscratch:
Pop? You were there weren't you. Any memories?

2002

[Flatroc]

Jeff,
My bad, I was under the impression that most if not all of the peeps in the state (and on these boards) considered the winner's of this gig would indeed hold the title as "State Champions".
I personally do/did view it in that respect and that is the only reason I spoke up (again) for us geezers.
So, my apologies hombre. :)
adi-Yose

Jeff,
If this is indeed "just another event", I apologize again for "killing you" with my requests. :biggrin2:
I reckon the only question I still have is, was it in your original concept/intentions to crown the winners of this gig State Champs?
Sorry hombre but I feel there are a few of us who could use come clarity.
Thanks again for all you do for this awesome sport. :cheers:
Steve

[Bullseye]

Yose,

Once again... my intent for this event was to put together an extremely challenging course where I would crown the very best pro & am players in the state, regardless of age.

I feel like I have accomplished that and I would like to continue doing so. I have even mentioned a few times now that I am considering adding masters divisions.

However... to be quite honest, this passive aggressive pressure you are laying down here is starting to grate on me. You seem to have a desire to turn this event into something other than what I originally intended, and while even I will admit that the event may change over time, I can safely say that I do not respond well to this particular tactic of yours.

I totally understand why many people might be interested in playing this event, but I do not want to turn it into a "catch-all" tourney where anyone can simply sign up. I want people to feel like they have accomplished something by simply getting into the event... BECAUSE THEY HAVE!

Once again, my biggest issue with adding divisions is capacity. I simply cannot fit more people into the event without either adding Friday, or dropping it to a 2 round event. At this point in time, I am not willing to do either. I am sorry if you feel like I am excluding you, but I am also "excluding" all Intermediate players, all Senior GMs, All Legends, and the list goes on and on and on... I just can't fit everyone!

Hopefully you'll understand that I have tried to be as respectful as possible here,

Jeff

[Scott]

Yose,

Once again... my intent for this event was to put together an extremely challenging course where I would crown the very best pro & am players in the state, regardless of age.

I feel like I have accomplished that and I would like to continue doing so. I have even mentioned a few times now that I am considering adding masters divisions.

However... to be quite honest, this passive aggressive pressure you are laying down here is starting to grate on me. You seem to have a desire to turn this event into something other than what I originally intended, and while even I will admit that the event may change over time, I can safely say that I do not respond well to this particular tactic of yours.

I totally understand why many people might be interested in playing this event, but I do not want to turn it into a "catch-all" tourney where anyone can simply sign up. I want people to feel like they have accomplished something by simply getting into the event... BECAUSE THEY HAVE!

Once again, my biggest issue with adding divisions is capacity. I simply cannot fit more people into the event without either adding Friday, or dropping it to a 2 round event. At this point in time, I am not willing to do either. I am sorry if you feel like I am excluding you, but I am also "excluding" all Intermediate players, all Senior GMs, All Legends, and the list goes on and on and on... I just can't fit everyone!

Hopefully you'll understand that I have tried to be as respectful as possible here,

Jeff

+1 to Jeff

Once again, I have visions of a pretty simple solution to this problem. Take the template for the ORDGC - qualification standards, course, etc.. - and run an event for Masters, GM, etc. Have the Oregon Masters Championship (ORMDGC?) on the weekend following or preceding the ORDGC. Two great weekends, nearly every division gets represented.

I wish I had the available resources (time, mostly) to make this happen. Perhaps in a few years when the boy is older. Until then, I'll have to hope that someone picks up this baton and runs with it. Maybe the people who are complaining the loudest that the current system is broken? :chinscratch:

[Bullseye]

+1 to Jeff

Once again, I have visions of a pretty simple solution to this problem. Take the template for the ORDGC - qualification standards, course, etc.. - and run an event for Masters, GM, etc. Have the Oregon Masters Championship (ORMDGC?) on the weekend following or preceding the ORDGC. Two great weekends, nearly every division gets represented.

I wish I had the available resources (time, mostly) to make this happen. Perhaps in a few years when the boy is older. Until then, I'll have to hope that someone picks up this baton and runs with it. Maybe the people who are complaining the loudest that the current system is broken? :chinscratch:

Except for one thing... I would rather it NOT be on the course I have laid out for the ORDGC. Part of the allure of the ORDGC is the course itself.

[Flatroc]

However... to be quite honest, this passive aggressive pressure you are laying down here is starting to grate on me. You seem to have a desire to turn this event into something other than what I originally intended, and while even I will admit that the event may change over time, I can safely say that I do not respond well to this particular tactic of yours. Jeff
Jeff,
I am very sorry you feel like I'm trying to pressure you as I know a feller in your position has enough of that already. :wink2:
As said, I assumed this was considered Oregon's "STATE" Championships and that is why I spoke up.
My sole intentions were to request a division for the geezers IF this event is/was our "STATE" championships.
Believe me hermano I have no desire to mess with your gig or you, although I was hoping for an answer to my my question.
I guess I'm just too old school and miss the old OSDGC's
Sorry man.
Yoser

[Bullseye]

Fair enough Yose.

Hard Feelings = None.

Cheers Amigo,

Jeff

[Scott]

Except for one thing... I would rather it NOT be on the course I have laid out for the ORDGC. Part of the allure of the ORDGC is the course itself.

The allure would still be there, and it would still be just as tough to get into either event.

I suppose there are a handful of people that could qualify for both, but not many.

[NWDiscer]

Except for one thing... I would rather it NOT be on the course I have laid out for the ORDGC. Part of the allure of the ORDGC is the course itself.



i just dont know what to think of this response.....the emoticons to use.

why would it be so BAD to use the course that you laid out?

[pdxdiscer]

i just dont know what to think of this response.....the emoticons to use.

why would it be so BAD to use the course that you laid out?

Why would it be so BAD to use a DIFFERENT layout?

[Scott]

Why would it be so BAD to use a DIFFERENT layout?

Because it sends a message that you're not good enough to play this layout just because you are > 40.

My idea of using the same course is to extend the opportunity to have the USDGC-like experince that Jeff envisioned to a wider audience of disc golfers without diminishing the existing event.

[NWDiscer]

Because it sends a message that you're not good enough to play this layout just because you are > 40.




the point is you can be good enough even if you are over 40,50,60.....you might not WIN but.....at least you got in to try

i was being a selfish old fart in my earlier post....... ;) :cheers:

[Scott]

the point is you can be good enough even if you are over 40,50,60.....you might not WIN but.....at least you got in to try

i was being a selfish old fart in my earlier post....... ;) :cheers:

I'm not really in love with what I wrote there - I had a hard time of expressing what I was really trying to say. The second part of my post more accuratly depicts what I was thinking.

[dooley]

Except for one thing... I would rather it NOT be on the course I have laid out for the ORDGC. Part of the allure of the ORDGC is the course itself.

I understand and respect your vision and effort in running the ORDGC...but not wanting us over 40s to play that layout even if someone else was running a masters event it....sounds a little exclusionary.Granted it is your layout and your event.....but alot of the people you are denying a real chance to compete and enjoy your vision.....are the same ones who built many of the courses in this area.I am NOT poking you and previously posted my support for you and still do...just not on this part of your vision.:cheers:

[Sausage Fingers]

Except for one thing... I would rather it NOT be on the course I have laid out for the ORDGC. Part of the allure of the ORDGC is the course itself.

Pretty sure this is where I have to say: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

:pirate:

[Captain Save-A-Ho]

If Keith and I can get off our butts, we'll do it again this year!

Well?

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Well?Not happening this year :(
If someone else wants to take the reins, be my guest.

[Magilla]

All I can say is WOW!
Come on people...get real.

Jeff dreamed of, planned and made this event a reality.
This dream was to have our own USDGC type event in Oregon.

Any of you are more than welcome to attempt to start your own event and run it anyway you see fit. Limit the divisions to all or as few as you wish.

Why should Jeff, a Masters player himself, change a format that works because some of you think you are being "left out"?

I played this event last year....with an at large invitation...got my ass kicked by an awesome layout....and enjoyed every minute of it.

Just like MOST of the people who desire to go to Winthrop and play in the USDGC have NO chance in cashing (under the old format, of course) they still line up in droves in an attempt to qualify or gain access thru a state spot.

I believe that Jeff wished to create an event similar to this but in our own backyard...and I feel he has done just that.

All I can say to Jeff is .... Stick to your guns...toughen that skin and do it YOUR way. It is the way YOU envisioned it.

Peace from a fellow Masters aged player...who's just hoping to have the opportunity to get my revenge on that BEAST of a course you have created.

:cheers:

[TreeLove]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullseye
Except for one thing... I would rather it NOT be on the course I have laid out for the ORDGC. Part of the allure of the ORDGC is the course itself.
----------------------------
Pretty sure this is where I have to say: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

:pirate:

On the one hand, it's a free country, and anyone can throw from wherever they want, to whatever target the want, or even throw en event if they want, on any layout they want (all within reason, obviously). If you build it, they will come. Or will they?

On the other hand, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and Hagerty's is one I tend to respect more than most. For others that might try: you can bring what looks like a great product, but still rub enough folks the wrong way as for the venture to backfire, as we have seen in both OR and WA.

On a separate but not totally unrelated topic, I am one master you won't hear griping about the ORDGC qualification format, as I think its criteria are tough, yet fair, and do give masters a shot at competing, just not a protected shot. I am still as proud of qualifying as I am ashamed of my finishes (DNF, NFL).`

Oh, and well said in the above post by Magilla, well said indeed.

[Bullseye]

I would hope DMZ was simply referring to another one of Shupp & Hemmerling's Masters Tourney at Hornings, rather than dragging this horse around the yard for another flogging.

With that said, thank you both for the support. You understand what I was trying to accomplish with the ORDGC.

[Captain Save-A-Ho]

I would hope DMZ was simply referring to another one of Shupp & Hemmerling's Masters Tourney at Hornings, rather than dragging this horse around the yard for another flogging.

I was Jeff. I enjoyed the masters championships at Hornings a couple of years ago, I am bummed it is not happening, and am considering "stepping up" as Hemmerling put it.

That being said, I agree with the last couple of posts completely. I think the ORDGC is perfect the way it is. Do not change a thing. I played the ORDGC last year and finished DFL. I still had a great time, and enjoyed preventing some of my favorite players (Gawain, Murray, and Joe) from being DFL. I plan on trying to qualify again this year and hopefully improving on my abysmal finish. The course is the hardest I have ever played and that alone makes this event something that I want to play no matter the division or how bad I am, because I am only playing against myself out there. I know where my skill level is, and I know where I want it to be, so how better to measure my improvement as a player, then to take my game to the most difficult challenge available, get beat down, and still walk away as a winner because I was able to finish all my rounds with most of my plastic still in my bag. This event is the quintessential Oregon disc golf event run by the best TD in the state. Thank you Jeff for everything you do for disc golf here in Oregon.