Week 7 Milo BSF East

[Sausage Fingers]

UPDATE! We will play from the AM pads to save time. The scorecards have the AM notation of the correct holes along with hole distance for all holes. On the back of the scorecard you will find the new map of the BSF East layout to which the hole distances correspond. We will be playing with 8 RPs/stroke.

Saturday 1/14/12
Chain Damage at Ace Holes
DGOD - Ace or Die at Dancing Cows
Chain Smokers at ABDG Misfits
Oregon Disc & Wildlife at Go F*ck Yourself
Disc Golf or Die at Eastside Crushers

Sunday 1/15/12
Team Skinny at GripLok
Darkhorse at Big Winds
Putt This! at Vapor Trails
Green Bowl Packers at Old, Evil & Sassy
Rockwood Roughnecks at Discrupters

We don't usually play this hard of a course during the season but it looks like this is what we will have at Milo. This means we will use the ssa from the finals and go with 8 Ratings Points/stroke. We are still on early start times so please Captains Set Lineups at 8am so we can tee off at 8:30am! This will take longer to play this 18 than it took us to play 19 last weekend.

The weather has been incredible so far, let's hope our good roll continues!:trophy:

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[Pizzel]

How about playing from the AM pads to shorten the rounds?

[Bruce]

Everything was in the shorts last weekend also, so that will help some!

[HarrisonH]

How about playing from the AM pads to shorten the rounds?

How about not!

[Sausage Fingers]

How about playing from the AM pads to shorten the rounds?

Thanks for the suggestion. I did think about this some, but 4 of the front nine and 6 of the back nine do not have shorter pads. That means fully 10 of the 18 are in their full on game-testing arm-wrenching soul-crushing glory that is the BSF layout. Even with playing from all 8 of the AM pads the ssa may not get out of the 8 RP/stroke territory.

I'd be willing to listen to cases pro and con.

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[Sausage Fingers]

Last year's Conference Championships on Saturday 2/26/11 the Saturday League played the BSF East layout in the afternoon to an SSA of 62.91 while the Sunday League played it in the morning to an SSA of 62.53.

Do we think that playing 8 holes from the AM pads will lower the SSA to below 58?

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[rob smith]

Last year's Conference Championships on Saturday 2/26/11 the Saturday League played the BSF East layout in the afternoon to an SSA of 62.91 while the Sunday League played it in the morning to an SSA of 62.53.

Do we think that playing 8 holes from the AM pads will lower the SSA to below 58?

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it could the big par 5 gets 1 to 2 strokes easier

[NWDiscer]

it could the big par 5 gets 1 to 2 strokes easier


also the uphill hole from the shorts instead of back by the bathrooms would be another stroke.

[Stephen.Sines]

How about not!

I second!

[Stephen.Sines]

why dont we just stick with the 8p's.
I just wanna crush zimms team at milo... nontheless on the bsf layout!

[George A.]

Eating all the gluten I can get my hands on so I can kick some Pinkal/Coalman A$$

[Sausage Fingers]

I am thinking, all of the Pro pads except for the long hole #2 and sticking with the 8RP/Stroke handicap.

But there is still time to try and convince me...:whistler:

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[Bullseye]

I am thinking, all of the Pro pads except for the long hole #2 and sticking with the 8RP/Stroke handicap.

But there is still time to try and convince me...:whistler:

:pirate:

I think that's a fair compromise. Help the speed of play a bit, but not completely dumbing-down Milo.

Jeff

[Stephen.Sines]

I dont mind playing the shorter mega hole at milo. :drool:
as long as I get the 8 points per
:dancing:

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Do we think that playing 8 holes from the AM pads will lower the SSA to below 58? I do.

[Sausage Fingers]

I do.

I do not.

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[Bullseye]

I do not.

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For what its worth... I played a round from the short pads and a round from the long pads the other day. The scoring differential between the two rounds was 4 strokes. I felt like I scored well and played at pretty much the same level for each of the two rounds.

Jeff

[Sausage Fingers]

For what its worth... I played a round from the short pads and a round from the long pads the other day. The scoring differential between the two rounds was 4 strokes. I felt like I scored well and played at pretty much the same level for each of the two rounds.

Jeff

I'd love to see those cards to check where the extra strokes were made up. Was it due to better tee shots on the holes with only 1 tee pad or did you make up 4 strokes on the 8 holes with AM pads...:chinscratch:

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[Susie Sunshine]

I don't think playing from the am pads that are available would lower the SSA... that being said, I think Pinkal's suggestion of the am pads wasn't meant for that purpose; it was to help speed of play? I could be totally wrong; just the way I read it. And my wimpy little arm will play from any pad you tell me to, though I must say I prefer the am pads. ;)

[Bullseye]

I'd love to see those cards to check where the extra strokes were made up. Was it due to better tee shots on the holes with only 1 tee pad or did you make up 4 strokes on the 8 holes with AM pads...:chinscratch:

:pirate:

I know I picked up 2 strokes on the Monster and 1 on the combined hole. The other stroke I'm not sure of, but I do know that I played the spiral exactly the same both rounds.

[Pizzel]

I don't think playing from the am pads that are available would lower the SSA... that being said, I think Pinkal's suggestion of the am pads wasn't meant for that purpose; it was to help speed of play? I could be totally wrong; just the way I read it. And my wimpy little arm will play from any pad you tell me to, though I must say I prefer the am pads. ;)Shawn, that was exactly the issue I was attempting to address by suggesting AM pads. I think round times could be a huge issue at Milo considering there are only 18 holes in the ground and we don't have the course reserved. Playing from the AM pads should reduce our round times by at least 20 mins.

I don't think SSA necessarily correlates with round time. Especially, when looking at events that have participates spanning a huge ratings range(like TDG).

[Flash]

Jordan I have no horse in this race but from my experience with this course here is my estimates. The East Side tournament layout playing hole 1 from bathrooms near BSF tournament central. Also all baskets are in the short so some holes will be easier for some levels of play already.

Hole 1. Easier from the am pad by .5 stroke in the short.
Hole 2. Same.
Hole 3. Same
Hole 4. Easier by .5( that short basket is a joke with the mack truck lane created by the tree removal helpers)
Hole 5. Same.
Hole 6. Easier by .15, catering to the arms that can get outside on the drive
hole 7. Easier by 1 stroke. No threat off the tee
Hole 8. Same.
Hole 9. Same.
hole 10. Easier by .3, tight tunnel but no trees blocking the basket
Hole 11. Same.
Hole 12. Easier by .5, short basket with no OB risk
hole 13. Easier by .5
Hole 14. Easier by 1, could be more but safe to say for most players
Hole 15. Easier by .35, reachable by most with driver or mid range
Hole 16. Easier by .25, shortens the hole after the drive.
Hole 17. Same.
Hole 18. Same.

My estimate is easier by 5.05.

[Carie CPink]

Eating all the gluten I can get my hands on so I can kick some Pinkal/Coalman A$$

Bring your gluten-eatin' azz to Milo, Georginia so I can kick it. Kick it real good. And JoJo's too!

[Wes Hansen]

All I hear is 8 RP/S.
And I like what it does to The Discrupters chances!
955 and under play AM pads, 956+ play pro. (kiddin'- team ratings based joke).

Bad news is The Discrupters fell back under the 6000 team rating mark.
Good news is 8RP/S and the RR's high ratings and things are looking up.
If VT can beat them....

[Sausage Fingers]

Jordan I have no horse in this race but from my experience with this course here is my estimates. The East Side tournament layout playing hole 1 from bathrooms near BSF tournament central. Also all baskets are in the short so some holes will be easier for some levels of play already.

Hole 1. Easier from the am pad by .5 stroke in the short.
Hole 2. Same.
Hole 3. Same
Hole 4. Easier by .5( that short basket is a joke with the mack truck lane created by the tree removal helpers)
Hole 5. Same.
Hole 6. Easier by .15, catering to the arms that can get outside on the drive
hole 7. Easier by 1 stroke. No threat off the tee
Hole 8. Same.
Hole 9. Same.
hole 10. Easier by .3, tight tunnel but no trees blocking the basket
Hole 11. Same.
Hole 12. Easier by .5, short basket with no OB risk
hole 13. Easier by .5
Hole 14. Easier by 1, could be more but safe to say for most players
Hole 15. Easier by .35, reachable by most with driver or mid range
Hole 16. Easier by .25, shortens the hole after the drive.
Hole 17. Same.
Hole 18. Same.

My estimate is easier by 5.05.

What were the BSF East round's average SSA from which you gleaned this data? When you subtract 5.05 from this average does it lower the SSA below 58?

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[softwinterwhispers]

And i am ready to show those roughnecks how we do it. I am ready to rough you up!

All I hear is 8 RP/S. :shooting:
And I like what it does to The Discrupters chances!
955 and under play AM pads, 956+ play pro. (kiddin'- team ratings based joke).

Bad news is The Discrupters fell back under the 6000 team rating mark.
Good news is 8RP/S and the RR's high ratings and things are looking up.
If VT can beat them....

[XandorF]

yeah im with harrison, the original "how bout not" guy. i just dont like change in general ;)

[XandorF]

And i am ready to show those roughnecks how we do it. I am ready to rough you up!

would you please do that...

[HarrisonH]

At the very least just don't mess with the genius hole. Missed it at Hab/Rec for playing Int, and still haven't had a shot at it.

[NWDiscer]

At the very least just don't mess with the genius hole. Missed it at Hab/Rec for playing Int, and still haven't had a shot at it.

only 1 pad on the Genius, some day we may get a 2nd pad there....:angel:

[LegoRules]

only 1 pad on the Genius, some day we may get a 2nd pad there....:angel:

At Hab Rec if I remember correctly one of the pools teed off from down below from a natural pad. I think this is what harrission means by missing it at Hab Rec.

Hey btw while I am here on this thread the Chick Flick will be at Milo on Sunday with our fundraiser lunch. $5 for a main dish, desert & soda plus entry into a drawing for a bunch of cool stuff Next Adventure is donating. You can also purchase extra tickets for the drawing for a $1. We will draw the winners at the final. :yay:

Cindy :)

[softwinterwhispers]

Yum I do love the chick flick grub, last time the pulled pork was most excellent!

Looking forward to Milo's menu.

At Hab Rec if I remember correctly one of the pools teed off from down below from a natural pad. I think this is what harrission means by missing it at Hab Rec.

Hey btw while I am here on this thread the Chick Flick will be at Milo on Sunday with our fundraiser lunch. $5 for a main dish, desert & soda plus entry into a drawing for a bunch of cool stuff Next Adventure is donating. You can also purchase extra tickets for the drawing for a $1. We will draw the winners at the final. :yay:

Cindy :)

[George A.]

Bring your gluten-eatin' azz to Milo, Georginia so I can kick it. Kick it real good. And JoJo's too!

Wow... Joe isn't that what Coalman's mom said last night ... Mother like doughter :waaah:

[Flash]

What were the BSF East round's average SSA from which you gleaned this data? When you subtract 5.05 from this average does it lower the SSA below 58?

:pirate:
Jordan, that SSA was 59 for the east side in the longs and Pro pads last year. This was also in decent weather the year before it was 59.27 with a little worse weather but all long baskets. This is also predicated by the fact that the PRO field an average had a player rating of 1000. As much as we want to believe that the rating system does not depend on the propagators, it does.

My best guess with these changes the course play would lower the SSA by 5 strokes but the points per stroke probably would not leave the 8-8.5 per stroke range. So if you want to make it tougher to win for better players leave it at 8 if you want to make it easier for the better players make it 9. Looks like last year TDG played it closer to 62.5 SSA with the weather and extra clothing I am sure. I bet 8 is still a pretty safe bet as long as you are not stalking the course with a bunch of 1000 rated players :laughing:

[Sausage Fingers]

Jordan, that SSA was 59 for the east side in the longs and Pro pads last year. This was also in decent weather the year before it was 59.27 with a little worse weather but all long baskets. This is also predicated by the fact that the PRO field an average had a player rating of 1000. As much as we want to believe that the rating system does not depend on the propagators, it does.

My best guess with these changes the course play would lower the SSA by 5 strokes but the points per stroke probably would not leave the 8-8.5 per stroke range. So if you want to make it tougher to win for better players leave it at 8 if you want to make it easier for the better players make it 9. Looks like last year TDG played it closer to 62.5 SSA with the weather and extra clothing I am sure. I bet 8 is still a pretty safe bet as long as you are not stalking the course with a bunch of 1000 rated players :laughing:

Well I wouldn't call it a bunch and certainly NOT the average rating for the field...but we have some very good golfers in TDG. I've seen some pretty amazing scorecards turned in.

Yeah the weather will probably have a measurable effect and also lesson the hole by hole improvement you list above. We really won't know for sure until the rounds are played.

That also reminds me of a possible change to the way we handicap this league next year. What if each round's ssa isn't set before the match and we use whatever ssa is actually shot during the round? It may put some uncertainty in the match if you do not know exactly what you have to shoot to beat your opponent.:chinscratch:

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[Darr]

Don't forget about east 12 (winter 18) not being on the island.

[jevon]

That also reminds me of a possible change to the way we handicap this league next year. What if each round's ssa isn't set before the match and we use whatever ssa is actually shot during the round? It may put some uncertainty in the match if you do not know exactly what you have to shoot to beat your opponent.:chinscratch:

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[Lund]

That also reminds me of a possible change to the way we handicap this league next year. What if each round's ssa isn't set before the match and we use whatever ssa is actually shot during the round? It may put some uncertainty in the match if you do not know exactly what you have to shoot to beat your opponent.:chinscratch:

:pirate:

If I had a vote I would vote against this change. I rather like knowing the score before and during my match as opposed to the next day when SSA is calculated. That is what competition is all about in my book.

And in my mere 1/2 season experience with ORTDG the handicaps are working out amazingly. Just last weekend all 3 of the matches I played in or watched (1 doubles, 2 singles) were decided on the last hole.

[Zach Murphy]

So are we set on playing some short pads? I would hope and like to play milo to the full effect, as would the rest of my team...i know debs not scared of the long pads.

[XandorF]

only 1 pad on the Genius, some day we may get a 2nd pad there....:angel:

the genius pad... and the savant pad.

[Bullseye]

Occupy the long pads!!!!!

[Kevin Madrid]

If I had a vote I would vote against this change. I rather like knowing the score before and during my match as opposed to the next day when SSA is calculated. That is what competition is all about in my book.

And in my mere 1/2 season experience with ORTDG the handicaps are working out amazingly. Just last weekend all 3 of the matches I played in or watched (1 doubles, 2 singles) were decided on the last hole.

I second this.

If we don't have the SSA till the next day why worry about player ratings! Just heads up every match!!!!!!! and then we go random draw (team vs team) to see who plays who in singles and doubles.


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[AChivers]

LONG PADS!!! It Is Milo.Chain Damage!

[jevon]

The past ssa's are known for all seasons of ORTDG since Jordan took over. It is easy for anyone to figure out the guesstimated handicaps. I doubt it would change more than one rps if anything at all. Only difference is having to wait to get the official outcome.

[dooley]

i like the way it is .....and of course LONG TEES at Milo:cheers:

[George A.]

Can't way to can't make a putt to save my life eat shit ... To much fun .., come get some you bitches

[jdinteg]

Going a little far there George?

Jordan,

I'm for 8rp, Long Pads, and knowing SSA before we start. Team golf is about Strategy too, and that handicap can really mess with many opponents heads while they are playing.

DGOD - Ace or Die

[George A.]

No it not the finals yet .... Woooot woooot....., lover some team golf
"George Adams"

[Celeste]

Hey btw while I am here on this thread the Chick Flick will be at Milo on Sunday with our fundraiser lunch. $5 for a main dish, desert & soda plus entry into a drawing for a bunch of cool stuff Next Adventure is donating. You can also purchase extra tickets for the drawing for a $1. We will draw the winners at the final. :yay:

Cindy :)

Chick Flick food announcement:
On the menu for Sunday at Milo is a pasta bar.
We will have a few different pastas: regular pasta, whole wheat, gluten free corn pasta
And a few different sauces: marinara, meaty marinara or meatballs we're not sure yet, and an alfredo
We'll also have garlic bread
a soda and dessert is also included. Oh, and a raffle ticket!
See you all Sunday:seeya:

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Chick Flick food announcement:
On the menu for Sunday at Milo is a pasta bar.
We will have a few different pastas: regular pasta, whole wheat, gluten free corn pasta
And a few different sauces: marinara, meaty marinara or meatballs we're not sure yet, and an alfredo
We'll also have garlic bread
a soda and dessert is also included. Oh, and a raffle ticket!
See you all Sunday:seeya:

Yummmmmmmy! :cheers:

Bob

[Sam]

Can't way to can't make a putt to save my life eat shit ... To much fun .., come get some you bitches

ESL much, George?

[Sausage Fingers]

Going a little far there George?

Jordan,

I'm for 8rp, Long Pads, and knowing SSA before we start. Team golf is about Strategy too, and that handicap can really mess with many opponents heads while they are playing.

DGOD - Ace or Die

This is just a discussion about possible changes NEXT year with the variable SSA idea. Just floatin it out there.

But I'm pretty set on the 8 RPs/Stroke from all Pro pads except for the longest hole. I think that we can get the rounds finished in daylight if we stick to the schedule. I haven't made out the scorecards yet, so if someone has a convincing argument to do it different I could still make a change, but I haven't heard it yet.

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[Bruce]

The weekend is supposed to be moderately nice, and if the last couple decent weekends are any indication...Your round are going to take a long time. The park has been busy, and with 18 holes even regular groups of four have been waiting on a lot of hole. Let alone adding another 70+ people from team golf. Just a fair warning! We had a fast moving 5 some last weekend, and with wait times no lunch break, 2 rounds still took us 6 hours to play (one from pro pads, on from am pads)

["Over the Hill" Bob]

The weekend is supposed to be moderately nice, and if the last couple decent weekends are any indication...Your round are going to take a long time. The park has been busy, and with 18 holes even regular groups of four have been waiting on a lot of hole. Let alone adding another 70+ people from team golf. Just a fair warning! We had a fast moving 5 some last weekend, and with wait times no lunch break, 2 rounds still took us 6 hours to play (one from pro pads, on from am pads)

Looks like a good reason to play some short pads. :shocked:

Bob:D

[Bruce]

Now if only I would proof read things before posting...Wow, that's ugly to read.

[Wes Hansen]

First round all Pro- second round all AM.
You're welcome.
8 rps, then 9rps if applicable

[Bullseye]

Looks like a good reason to play some short pads. :shocked:

Bob:D

Large groups playing in a herd are the biggest problem Bob, not necessarily the length of the hole. Nice try though. You just chill the hell out with your 18 stroke cushion. :p

[Stephen.Sines]

No it not the finals yet .... Woooot woooot....., lover some team golf
"George Adams"

I like that george likes the sauce.
So.... alcohol is the key to bagging eh?

[George A.]

Who's bagging??? And what this sauce you speak of???

[NWDiscer]

so are we supposed to use BSF's TC as the TC for TDG?:shocked:

Jordan which hole numbering system will you be using on the cards?

[Sausage Fingers]

so are we supposed to use BSF's TC as the TC for TDG?:shocked:

Jordan which hole numbering system will you be using on the cards?

What Keith does is up to Keith, but I plan on using BSF TC for the Sunday crew. Where else would be better? It may be the first time that Saturday gets better weather than Sunday. But as always, poor weather means faster rounds for us since there will be less casual players on the course. Do you think that having everybody park in the A lot will deter more casual golfers from playing?:chinscratch:

Does the hole numbering REALLY matter? It is my understanding that there are only 18 baskets out there in the ground, so we will play those baskets. I will try to get that course map graphic printed on the back of the scorecards this week to help with the hole numbering confusion.

Let's get ready for another great weekend of Team Disc Golf!:yay:

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[NWDiscer]

Aye Aye

Much FUN :cool:

[Hippy007]

Do you think that having everybody park in the A lot will deter more casual golfers from playing?:chinscratch:


I do after watching other weeks at other places. If you drive in and see a full lot you might think twice about playing but if it looks empty and some people are around then you think you can play.

Hippy007
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[sassalicious]

Hey... throwing in my experienced TD 2 cents. I think we should play the short tees for a couple reasons.

#1 (and the biggest factor) - time. We still have short days right now, and playing the short tees will significantly increase our chances of finishing before dark. If I recall, we have to be out of the park by sun down. While some of us can make it through the course in a reasonably quick time, a good many of us cannot. We need to make decisions gated, I believe, on our slower player's speed of play... not our fast players.

#2 - We will be at this course again for the finals (when the days will be happily longer), and we should save the mac-daddy hard lay-out for that judgement day! :pirate:

[Sausage Fingers]

I do after watching other weeks at other places. If you drive in and see a full lot you might think twice about playing but if it looks empty and some people are around then you think you can play.

Hippy007
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I have a couple thoughts about this.

#1 If I drove all the way out to Milo to play dg, unless they closed the entire course for cross country or civil war playacting I am playing that course regardless of the congestion. But I am unsure how the casual player will see it. Maybe if they know about Timber then they will head to the course that is less busy.

#2 It will probably be inclement weather by the time I show up on Sunday, so unless I have another option for dry cover for a makeshift TC I will drive my car over to the BSF TC and use that shelter unless it is in use. But as I see us as not only the majority of the park users that day, we will also probably be at the gate waiting for the thing to open...

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[sassalicious]

Oh man... I haven't played, except a round in Copenhagen, since last team golf!! I don't know about you, but I'll be warming my game back up at OLE this Saturday at Dabney, mwahahahaha :chug:

Get ready for some old, evil & sassy domination on Sunday! :pirate:

[Sausage Fingers]

Hey... throwing in my experienced TD 2 cents. I think we should play the short tees for a couple reasons.

#1 (and the biggest factor) - time. We still have short days right now, and playing the short tees will significantly increase our chances of finishing before dark. If I recall, we have to be out of the park by sun down. While some of us can make it through the course in a reasonably quick time, a good many of us cannot. We need to make decisions gated, I believe, on our slower player's speed of play... not our fast players.

#2 - We will be at this course again for the finals (when the days will be happily longer), and we should save the mac-daddy hard lay-out for that judgement day! :pirate:

This is probably the best case put forward so far for the short tees. But even if we play all 8 short tee pads, I still think that the SSA will turn out to be above 58, keeping the 8RPs/Stroke. I just think we will be much closer to the 58 SSA than the 62 SSA for 7RPs/Stroke.

I am waffling harder here than with the uncertain weather at North Bonne...:headbang:

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[sassalicious]

BSF TC shelter... we will be needing it!

[Susie Sunshine]

Hey... throwing in my experienced TD 2 cents. I think we should play the short tees for a couple reasons.

#1 (and the biggest factor) - time. We still have short days right now, and playing the short tees will significantly increase our chances of finishing before dark. If I recall, we have to be out of the park by sun down. While some of us can make it through the course in a reasonably quick time, a good many of us cannot. We need to make decisions gated, I believe, on our slower player's speed of play... not our fast players.

#2 - We will be at this course again for the finals (when the days will be happily longer), and we should save the mac-daddy hard lay-out for that judgement day! :pirate:

Yeah... what she said! :rockon:

[Hippy007]

#1 If I drove all the way out to Milo to play dg, unless they closed the entire course for cross country or civil war playacting I am playing that course regardless of the congestion. But I am unsure how the casual player will see it. Maybe if they know about Timber then they will head to the course that is less busy.

True. but most of the big big groups of noobs are all locals.

I could care less just pointing a point

Hippy007
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[Jeff Hemmerling]

I agree with sassalicious:
1. Short tees this weekend (addressing daylight and course crowding concerns);
2. Longs tees for championship weekend.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

I agree with sassalicious:
1. Short tees this weekend (addressing daylight and course crowding concerns);
2. Longs tees for championship weekend.

Don't cha just hate it when someone throws logic into the mix. I guess if I have to reign in my big arm for a day, I can. Look out for the finals though, it's being brought! :biggrin2:

Starting the stop watch, and timing how long it takes for Haggy to pipe in with why we should use the long pads. :whistler:

Bob:yay:

[Wes Hansen]

Short/short
or
long/short

Either helps, and helps.

[Sam]

I say we form a committee... maybe a couple of working groups... and really discuss the hell out of this topic. We can have every voice represented and reach some sort of working consensus even though we will probably all end up hating each other.

Oh wait. This isn't Occupy Portland. Never mind. :whistler:

[Jeff Hemmerling]

I say we form a committee... maybe a couple of working groups... and really discuss the hell out of this topic. We can have every voice represented and reach some sort of working consensus even though we will probably all end up hating each other.

Oh wait. This isn't Occupy Portland. Never mind. :whistler:Beautiful... ;)

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Anybody with All Wheel/4Wheel drive want to pick me up in Milwaukie?

Bob

[George A.]

Ass cash or grass ... No one rides for free BoB

[Scott]

Ass cash or grass ... No one rides for free BoB

You hear that, Bob? George wants your ass! :shocked:

[XandorF]

Short/short
or
long/short

Either helps, and helps.

i just want to play the same arrangement, as to be able to improve upon my second round. long or shorts, i prefer shorts actually. save us some time and arm. and to give the discrupters a chance at actually beating the roughnecks... :laughing::laughing::laughing:

[dooley]

I agree with sassalicious:
1. Short tees this weekend (addressing daylight and course crowding concerns);
2. Longs tees for championship weekend.

after further consideration of time constraints i concur with this hypothesis.

[jevon]

I will beat Hemmerling from whatever tees I am told to play from.

[PDX_Stu]

It will be cold enough to make even the lamest can of PBR taste drinkable.

:cheers::cheers:

[jevon]

It will be cold enough to make even the lamest can of PBR taste drinkable.

:cheers::cheers:

I'll bring some extras for you!

[Sam]

Um... do we have a decision, cappy? Shorts or longs? :)

[chris7graham]

Just talked to Jordan and he told me" Short tees" due to time in the day. End of story.

[XandorF]

Just talked to Jordan and he told me" Short tees" due to time in the day. End of story.

short bus for short pads!
:bricks:

["Over the Hill" Bob]

short bus for short pads!
:bricks:

Old high school memories? :nahnah:

Bob

[George A.]

Short T's = advantage VAPOR TRAILS!!!!!

[Wes Hansen]

It's Saturday, so I'm guessing the decision was made for either short or longs.
Was Graham's post the official answer.... cause I heard the Discrupters play from the short and the Roughnecks play 20' behind the longs.

[Sausage Fingers]

It's Saturday, so I'm guessing the decision was made for either short or longs.
Was Graham's post the official answer.... cause I heard the Discrupters play from the short and the Roughnecks play 20' behind the longs.

Actually I added this to the first post in this thread:

UPDATE! We will play from the AM pads to save time. The scorecards have the AM notation of the correct holes along with hole distance for all holes. On the back of the scorecard you will find the new map of the BSF East layout to which the hole distances correspond. We will be playing with 8 RPs/stroke.

:pirate:

[Wes Hansen]

Thank you sir.
Since the RRs don't know how to use computers.....
The Discrupters are gonna kick their collective buttocks.

[Wes Hansen]

It will be cold enough to make even the lamest can of PBR taste drinkable.

:cheers::cheers:

I didn't know it EVER got that cold!

[Bullseye]

Yes, Team Golf at Milo in light snow flurries was awesome!

More than anything else though I wanted to thank Celeste and Kirsten for cooking up warm food for lunch. The pasta definitely hit the spot on such a cold day. You ladies rock! Thank You!

PS: Jordan, thanks for putting out a donation box to raise money for the Lunchtime Basket Fund, and thank you to anyone who helped out by tossing a buck or two in.

[Carie CPink]

More than anything else though I wanted to thank Celeste and Kirsten for cooking up warm food for lunch. The pasta definitely hit the spot on such a cold day. You ladies rock! Thank You!

Word.

Seriously...you two (and Cindy) provide us a hot meal in the middle of nowhere for $5...and I get gluten-free meals? You make lunch time that much longer and warmer during TDG. Thank you!

And thank you to the 50-some people who purchased lunch Sunday. The Chick Flick Fundraising is in full force. Can't WAIT to see what is going to be in the player's packs this year! Thank you for supporting women disc golf :cheers:

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullseye
More than anything else though I wanted to thank Celeste and Kirsten for cooking up warm food for lunch. The pasta definitely hit the spot on such a cold day. You ladies rock! Thank You! Word.

Seriously...you two (and Cindy) provide us a hot meal in the middle of nowhere for $5...and I get gluten-free meals? You make lunch time that much longer and warmer during TDG. Thank you!

And thank you to the 50-some people who purchased lunch Sunday. The Chick Flick Fundraising is in full force. Can't WAIT to see what is going to be in the player's packs this year! Thank you for supporting women disc golf

Word and Word!

Bob

[Susie Sunshine]

Word.

Seriously...you two (and Cindy) provide us a hot meal in the middle of nowhere for $5...and I get gluten-free meals? You make lunch time that much longer and warmer during TDG. Thank you!

And thank you to the 50-some people who purchased lunch Sunday. The Chick Flick Fundraising is in full force. Can't WAIT to see what is going to be in the player's packs this year! Thank you for supporting women disc golf :cheers:

Chiming in to add my appreciation for the hot, tasty lunch!! I'm convinced that it improved my game and shaved strokes off of my score the second round! Not to mention, it's always good to see you ladies!!

Good times out there yesterday!! :cheers:

[Wes Hansen]

Discrupters WIN!

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Discrupters WIN!:shocked:

:yay::rockon::yay::rockon::yay::rockon::yay:

Bob

[HarrisonH]

Discrupters WIN!

Holy smokin' shit balls!!!!!! WAY TO GO TEAM!!!!! :shooting::shooting::shooting:

[Bullseye]

Holy smokin' shit balls!!!!!! WAY TO GO TEAM!!!!! :shooting::shooting::shooting:

Discrupters beat the Roughnecks?

I sure hope Rockwood even shows up next time. I mean, seriously, that's an awful lot of shame to live with. :shocked::nahnah::shocked:

[Wes Hansen]

Discrupters beat the Roughnecks?

I sure hope Rockwood even shows up next time. I mean, seriously, that's an awful lot of shame to live with. :shocked::nahnah::shocked:

I guess you'll be moving to Guam after we kick your ass next!
Any more smack talk from you and I'll let the Giant Slayer give you a little whats what.

[Bullseye]

I guess you'll be moving to Guam after we kick your ass next!
Any more smack talk from you and I'll let the Giant Slayer give you a little whats what.

Wes,

After looking out the window, I think I'd be fine with Guam right about now. Thank you for the pep talk. I'll do my best :)

Actually, I felt like we were very fortunate to win our match yesterday as well. Not that I think it was wrong to change the pads, but I do think that change in teepads really hurt teams with higher rated players.

Jeff

[Wes Hansen]

I agree the AM pads helped.
Happy belated Birthday to Zach, who turned 22 Sunday.
I liked playing with the tired, drunkish Zach.
He was definitely entertaining.

[Sausage Fingers]

I do think that change in teepads really hurt teams with higher rated players.

Jeff

Actually, I was very cognizant of this fact. And the SSAs that we actually shot on Sunday would have put us in the 9 Ratings Points/Stroke range. (Saturday's SSAs were in the 8 Ratings Points/Stroke range BTW) So after I entered each match I switched the RP/S around to see if it made a difference. The only match that had any significant change was the Rockwood-Discrupters match. With 8 RP/S the underdog wins, but with 9 RP/S the Roughnecks would win the match.

This is why I've been thinking about changing the rule for next year...:chinscratch:

:pirate:

[Wes Hansen]

This is why I've been thinking about changing the rule for next year...:chinscratch:

:pirate:

Change the rules just so The Discrupters don't win?!
It only affected one of 10 matches. I think you got it right!

I really wish I could have been a fly on the wall when the RRs found out they had lost!

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Change the rules just so The Discrupters don't win?!
It only affected one of 10 matches. I think you got it right!
I really wish I could have been a fly on the wall when the RRs found out they had lost!


I have to agree with this comment!

Bob

[HarrisonH]

I agree the AM pads helped.
Happy belated Birthday to Zach, who turned 22 Sunday.
I liked playing with the tired, drunkish Zach.
He was definitely entertaining.

DrunkISH?! Dude was slammered... Great entertainment, between all the whining, at least :whistler:

[TreeLove]

Actually, I was very cognizant of this fact. And the SSAs that we actually shot on Sunday would have put us in the 9 Ratings Points/Stroke range. (Saturday's SSAs were in the 8 Ratings Points/Stroke range BTW) So after I entered each match I switched the RP/S around to see if it made a difference. The only match that had any significant change was the Rockwood-Discrupters match. With 8 RP/S the underdog wins, but with 9 RP/S the Roughnecks would win the match.

This is why I've been thinking about changing the rule for next year...:chinscratch:

:pirate:

what rule?

[jdinteg]

Actually, I was very cognizant of this fact. And the SSAs that we actually shot on Sunday would have put us in the 9 Ratings Points/Stroke range. (Saturday's SSAs were in the 8 Ratings Points/Stroke range BTW) So after I entered each match I switched the RP/S around to see if it made a difference. The only match that had any significant change was the Rockwood-Discrupters match. With 8 RP/S the underdog wins, but with 9 RP/S the Roughnecks would win the match.

This is why I've been thinking about changing the rule for next year...:chinscratch:

:pirate:

:confused: So would you leave the SSA undetermined until later to help the underdog or to help the favored team? I like the idea of having all the cards on the table to determine the winner before you leave. The only grey area now lands with ties and counting total strokes for the victor. I can deal with that since it is so rare::whistler: Like twice in one season for us so far:headbang:

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Winners in bold

Saturday 1/14/12
Chain Damage 8.5 at Ace Holes 3.5
DGOD - Ace or Die 5 at Dancing Cows 6
Chain Smokers 8 at ABDG Misfits 3
Oregon Disc & Wildlife 10 at GFY 1
Disc Golf or Die 9.5 at Eastside Crushers 2.5

Sunday 1/15/12
Team Skinny 10.5 at GripLok 4.5
Darkhorse 4.5 at Big Winds 7.5
Putt This! 8.5 at Vapor Trails 6.5
Green Bowl Packers 4.5 at Old, Evil & Sassy 7.5
Rockwood Roughnecks 6.5 at Discrupters 7.5

[Sam]

:D
GBP was so concerned about one card in the afternoon that they forgot about winning the other two cards. Great day and good win for OE&S.

[rob smith]

big winds vs dark horse thought it finished 5.5 to 6.5. we lost 2 in morning and 1 lost and 1 tie in afternoon

[softwinterwhispers]

I guess you'll be moving to Guam after we kick your ass next!
Any more smack talk from you and I'll let the Giant Slayer give you a little whats what.


Hahahaha I would love to put Hagerty in his place...hehehehe. Bring it!! :):):)

That and a few snowballs at Jordan during our walk tomorrow!!

As I see it a win is a win and we did it! Go Discrupters!!:trophy:

[softwinterwhispers]

Actually, I was very cognizant of this fact. And the SSAs that we actually shot on Sunday would have put us in the 9 Ratings Points/Stroke range. (Saturday's SSAs were in the 8 Ratings Points/Stroke range BTW) So after I entered each match I switched the RP/S around to see if it made a difference. The only match that had any significant change was the Rockwood-Discrupters match. With 8 RP/S the underdog wins, but with 9 RP/S the Roughnecks would win the match.

This is why I've been thinking about changing the rule for next year...:chinscratch:

:pirate:

So does that mean Saturday would have a different RP/S than Sundays teams???

[Sausage Fingers]

big winds vs dark horse thought it finished 5.5 to 6.5. we lost 2 in morning and 1 lost and 1 tie in afternoon

I double checked this match and the only error was a mistype by yours truly on the Big Winds afternoon dubs back nine. They shot a 30 and I had entered a 20 with my damn sausage fingers. Your match was 63-66 and your ratings were exactly 24 points apart for the 3 stroke handicap. But this resulted in a tie in match strokes. Darkhorse won the total strokes tiebreaker 617-621, while Big Winds played all 7 players for the overall tie for the match.

There was a double screw up on the Ace or Die Vs Dancing Cows match sheet. First, my crack team of stat demons swapped the two team's scores for just the afternoon dubs. And then because that wasn't enough of a screw up, I read the score from the S9 singles match and gave the AoD dubs team a 63 for the round. But after the DC were given the 57 they really shot and the AoD team the 59 they shot the match results didn't change. This match was also tied on match points and the Cows won the total strokes tiebreaker 621-626 for the 6-5 victory.

The third match that was tied on match points was Rockwood Vs Discrupters. The Rupters won the total strokes tiebreaker 798-812 and both teams got the 7 player point for a 7.5-6.5 victory.

Updated standings

EAST DIVISION
Team W L T MPs
1st RR 5 2 0 61.5
2nd BW 4 2 1 43.0
3rd GL 4 3 0 55.0
4th GBP 4 3 0 41.5
5th DH 3 2 2 49.5

WEST DIVISION
Team W L T MPs
1st PT! 3 3 1 42.5
2nd TS 3 4 0 49.0
3rd OE&S 2 4 1 43.0
4th DR 2 4 1 40.5
5th VT 2 5 0 38.5

NORTH DIVISION
Team W L T MPs
1st DGoD 6 1 0 60.0
2nd AoD 4 2 1 54.0
3rd DC 3 3 1 40.0
4th OD&W 2 4 1 41.0
5th AH 2 4 1 34.0

SOUTH DIVISION
Team W L T MPs
1st CD 6 1 0 52.0
2nd EC 5 2 0 47.5
3rd CS 2 5 0 30.0
4th GFY 2 5 0 28.0
5th ABDG 1 6 0 32.5

:pirate:

[Sausage Fingers]

So does that mean Saturday would have a different RP/S than Sundays teams???

Potentially, it means that each of the 4 rounds could have different RP/S depending on the final SSA of each round played. Say, if the morning or afternoon had significantly better or worse weather, it could make the SSA go into a different RP/S range than in previous rounds shot at that course.

Personally, picking the SSA for the rounds we are going to play tends to be one of the more stressful parts of running OTDG. One of the reasons I'd like to implement this change next year is to relieve me of this burden for each event. Then it could blow like crazy at a particular event and I'd know that the handicap we were playing would reflect the difficulty of the course and conditions.

In this last week's event only the Sunday RP/S would have gone up to 9 while the Saturday RP/S would stay at 8. And of the 5 Sunday matches only the one would actually swap the winners.

:pirate:

[Sausage Fingers]

I double checked this match and the only error was a mistype by yours truly on the Big Winds afternoon dubs back nine.

This is not entirely the case. This is gonna get confusing so I'll do my best to explain what really happened and how I screwed DH out of their victory this week.

You might remember that we played at Timber the last event. And there were some slight scoring irregularities...Due to another mistype even though I used the awesome new 10-key provided to me:yay:, I somehow still made a stupid keying error in Jevon's match.:bricks:
Well giving Jevon a score that was 10 strokes better than he really shot also had an effect on the SSA for the Sunday PM round. But after fixing the scores in the spreadsheet, I neglected to re-upload the corrected files.

Let me restate that for effect: :bricks:I neglected to re-upload the corrected files.:bricks:

Now you may ask yourself, what could that possibly matter to anybody? When Captain extraordinaire Kel Carver went to get his team ratings for Week 7, the Master Ratings file showed Rob Smith with a rating of 946.371229. Well, after the Sunday PM round ratings changed with Jevon's real score, it changed Rob's rating that round from 959 to 961. That changed his week 7 rating to 946.571229 and with the rounding moved his rating that crucial 1 point upwards. So when Kel matched Rob (947) up against John (923) he thought that Rob only needed to give John 2 strokes in that match. But that extra .2 in the rounded rating was all that was needed to force the win into a tie.

And not only did it put the singles match into a tie, it ultimately resulted in the entire match being a tie. Shattering the hopes and dreams of a Darkhorse repeat.:headbang:

I am rapidly approaching my self imposed internet ban so I will leave you with this post to rant and rave about and I'll be back sometime on Thursday to read your opinions.

:pirate:

[jdinteg]

Yeah I got a rant for you Jordan. Your doing a great job, no one is perfect. Humans made the spread sheet then plugged the numbers into it. There is bound to be errors, I just wish they'd work in our favor for Pete sakes! Better get a dialing wand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DtbPOXFk00

[all2common]

Had I been there it wouldn't not be an issue. Thanks Jordan for your hard work.

[kel]

You can't take the heat for this one Hiatt.

Based on the information provided in advance of the match we WON! There's no doubt that Big Winds felt we came back and beat them during the second round on Sunday. So in my book we can still add one to the win column.

This experience coincidentally mirrors what a post-round strokes/rating scenario (as previously suggested for next season) would look like. From my experience, the idea of not knowing the actual gap until after the match . . . sucks ass.

[Lund]

And not only did it put the singles match into a tie, it ultimately resulted in the entire match being a tie. Shattering the hopes and dreams of a Darkhorse repeat.:headbang:

I am rapidly approaching my self imposed internet ban so I will leave you with this post to rant and rave about and I'll be back sometime on Thursday to read your opinions.

:pirate:

I kind of liken this to the GPS coordinates being off on one of those smart bombs by like .0005 degrees - sorry innocent family next to that suspicious warehouse!

Kidding (sort of).

While it always hurts to have hopes and dreams shattered I think it more points to how much work you put in Jordan not to mention how dang accurate/tight the handicapping system is.

[Bullseye]

From my experience, the idea of not knowing the actual gap until after the match . . . sucks ass.

Most definitely agree.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Quote:
Originally Posted by kel
From my experience, the idea of not knowing the actual gap until after the match . . . sucks ass.

Most definitely agree.

I have to also agree!

Bob

[Wes Hansen]

I understand where Jordan is coming from.

He is VERY intent on getting things right when he runs TDG and obviously takes pride in doing the best job possible. His idea of creating the rating/stroke spread after the fact is his idea for making things even more accurate.

However, TDG is FUN and that, I feel, is the number one priority. I don't think this rule change is needed or wanted by most players. I think it would take some of the fun out of it- as we'd never be 100% sure where we stood at the end of the day.

I appreciate the extra effort Jordan is willing to take on, but I hope he changes his mind. He doesn't need the extra work and things seem to work pretty darn well most of the time.

The RRs may not have liked the result last week, but those guys are all good players and we beat them because of the AM pads, not the RPS that was set. I think they'll make it to the Championship just fine and the embarrassment of their loss will fade- in time.