Stumptown Slosh #3 - Dabney State Park - Sunday, Jan 22nd

[Bullseye]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!! After nearly a month of phone calls and emails we finally got our confirmation for Slosh #3 at Dabney State Park. So we are good to go!


Stumptown Slosh #3: Register Here (http://bit.ly/waShuI)


Jeff

[Bullseye]

FYI: When we first proposed using the Slosh events to raise money for new Lunchtime Baskets I knew people would step up to the plate. I always knew NW disc golfers were awesome people, but I do appreciate being reminded of exactly how awesome.

Well... I just updated the registration list and you reminded me yet again. We have 64 players signed up for the event, but we have ALREADY raised a bunch for the baskets through the reg fees and donations on this event alone.

$360: From reg fees (5*72)
$170: Donations
$530: Total Awesomeness

To all of you who threw down a few (or more) of your hard earned bucks. Thank you. You make it all worthwhile. Cheers.

[Flash]

Also for those of you who are not current with the PDGA we are renewing Stumptown's affiliate club membership so if you renew your Stumptown membership you can save $5.00 on your PDGA membership effectively reducing your total cost of the Stumptown membership to $5.00 plus if you add in the 15% discount at Next adventure throughout the year you practically get to support the local club for free which continues to support local courses and events.

[Bullseye]

Nearly half-full already!!!!

[Flash]

Nearly half-full already!!!!

Looks like over half full now. Its been awhile since Dabney has had a PDGA event can't wait to see the new layout in tournament play.

[Bullseye]

19 Spots Left!!!!

No time to waste!!!!

[Flash]

Hey Does anyone remember When Andrew Rich did this to Dabney one shot from an 1100 rated round!
http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/13025/Open

I wonder who will do it this time!

[Bullseye]

Eight spots left!!!!

[E-ROC]

Eight spots left!!!!

I noticed on the pro side there are two slots for special guest one and special guest two. Hmmm, do tell what thats all about.

[Bullseye]

Well, if I told you, it wouldn't be special now would it?



SIX SPOTS LEFT!

[Bullseye]

Just a friendly reminder to EVERYONE! You MUST renew your PDGA membership by the time of this event, or you will have to pay the $10 non-member fee during check-in.

This is not optional. If we let you play without being current with the PDGA, we are on the hook for that $10. So PLEASE avoid putting us in an ackward position, and just renew your memberships ahead of time!!!

[emmarose]

darn those ackward positions.

[emmarose]

Well, if I told you, it wouldn't be special now would it?



SIX SPOTS LEFT!

wellllll... they would still be special they just wouldn't be a secret... :p

[Bullseye]

wellllll... they would still be special they just wouldn't be a secret... :p

They're secretly special too!

[DGOD! Disc Golf]

2 for the wait list please! :bricks:

[TreeLove]

I heard a rumor that this event conflicts with Team Golf. I checked the calendar (http://www.nwdiscgolf.info). It does not conflict. Not with OREGON Team Golf, anyway.

[branjwraith]

can you please add Bryant Johnson(MA2) to the wait list. phone #360-513-3042. Thank you

[nayr]

$320: From reg fees (5*53)
$160: Donations
$480: Total Awesomeness

Can we get another "Total Awesomeness" report, Mr. President? Maybe one for Slosh 3, and then another for the series total thus far?

[Bullseye]

Can we get another "Total Awesomeness" report, Mr. President? Maybe one for Slosh 3, and then another for the series total thus far?

that report is for Slosh #3 only.

We've been averaging about $500 in reg/donation per event. I'm looking in to placing the basket order SOON.

[nayr]

What has been decided for the basket model?

[Bullseye]

What has been decided for the basket model?

PDGA Approved ;)

[snap7times]

ohh i know who it is, i know... oh man, the Deaf guy knows... ;) 15 in open, yeah! I'm looking forward to this one...

[Flash]

They're secretly special too!

They can be super secrete or super exposed as long as they are PDGA current or paid the $10 non-member fee!

I second that 15 person Pro field way to go guys!

[Pizzel]

Any idea what layout we will be playing?

[Bullseye]

Pretty much how it lies now...

[Sam]

Heh. Can I be added to the waitlist for Adv. Masters please?

[emmarose]

Heh. Can I be added to the waitlist for Adv. Masters please?

only if you post in the proper thread.

[Sam]

:nahnah:
Apparently... I don't have to. :)

[JMan]

Sam...you're back! Thought you had taken up residence downtown...
Hope to see you on the links soon,
'J'

[emmarose]

:nahnah:
Apparently... I don't have to. :)

special treatment just 'cause you own the site.

[XandorF]

what mando's will we be playing?

[JMan]

what mandos wouldn't you be playing...

[GrummyBear]

what mando's will we be playing?

Last years slosh at dabney had no mandos.

[emmarose]

Last years slosh at dabney had no mandos.

yes it did. ;)

i'm not super sure on the hole numbering anymore, but there is a tree on, i think it is now #16 that is mando left to avoid killing people on the tee of #17...

... and really this should always be played as a mando. safety first, people...

[Sam]

15-16 but Emma is right.

[GrummyBear]

Check last years thread, I asked about it and NO MANDOS WERE IN EFFECT.

Sorry to yell, but I brought it up because I think there should be a mando flight left of that tree...

Tell em Hagerty!

[Bullseye]

Due to safety concerns we WILL be using the mando on "old" 15 to protect people on 16s fairway.

[Bullseye]

Hey Everyone!!!! PLEASE READ THIS!!!! I really don't want to hear people who signed up for this event saying they were current complaining about having to pay an additional $10 on the day of the event, because they did not renew their membership with the PDGA.

Remember, this is a PDGA rule, not a Stumptown rule, and the club will be held liable for the money if we allow you to play without being current.

Thanks and see you all out there.



Just a friendly reminder to EVERYONE! You MUST renew your PDGA membership by the time of this event, or you will have to pay the $10 non-member fee during check-in.

This is not optional. If we let you play without being current with the PDGA, we are on the hook for that $10. So PLEASE avoid putting us in an ackward position, and just renew your memberships ahead of time!!!

[emmarose]

Check last years thread, I asked about it and NO MANDOS WERE IN EFFECT.

Sorry to yell, but I brought it up because I think there should be a mando flight left of that tree...

Tell em Hagerty!

i played last year's slosh... which i remember altho i do not remember last year's thread... and i remember pretty dang distinctly that that tree was a mando... just sayin'. don't yell at me again, grummert.

[Scott]

It wouldn't be the first time that different groups played a hole in different ways.

[Flash]

It wouldn't be the first time that different groups played a hole in different ways.

Oh yeah here comes the conspiracy theorist! What proof do you have Scott, really like anyone ever misplays a course! I want to see a YouTube video choreographed with non-copy right violated music ( would hate to violate the SOPA requirements).

[Scott]

Oh yeah here comes the conspiracy theorist! What proof do you have Scott, really like anyone ever misplays a course! I want to see a YouTube video choreographed with non-copy right violated music ( would hate to violate the SOPA requirements).

So it's a consipiracy theory until it appears on youtube? I thought it was the other way around.

[emmarose]

oh, bother, you two. :p

if people would just come to the darned player's meetings then these conspiracies wouldn't even be theories... or something...

[Flash]

So it's a consipiracy theory until it appears on youtube? I thought it was the other way around.

No no no... Youtube is the justification of proof..come on...800 million users can't be wrong.

YouTube Traffic



48 hours of video are uploaded every minute, resulting in nearly 8 years of content uploaded every day
Over 3 billion videos are viewed a day
Users upload the equivalent of 240,000 full-length films every week
More video is uploaded to YouTube in one month than the 3 major US networks created in 60 years
70% of YouTube traffic comes from outside the US
YouTube is localized in 25 countries across 43 languages
YouTube's demographic is broad: 18-54 years old
YouTube reached over 700 billion playbacks in 2010
800M unique users visit YouTube each month


I digress, back to the topic at hand....

The pleading to have everyone current with the PDGA is working, we are down to 32 players who are not current and the majority comes from the Open Men Division.

[Lund]

I digress, back to the topic at hand....

The pleading to have everyone current with the PDGA is working, we are down to 32 players who are not current and the majority comes from the Open Men Division.

Ok Ok your pleading worked. minus 2 non-current members.

Oh and I've posted a youtube video of me navigating through the pdga site here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcHr46XGIlc).

[GrummyBear]

Ok Ok your pleading worked. minus 2 non-current members.

Oh and I've posted a youtube video of me navigating through the pdga site here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcHr46XGIlc).

That video is awesome Lund!

That's how I felt reading Scott's and Flash's posts...

Luckily, I can thole reading that crap.

[XandorF]

Xander Waibel - 41673
PDGA Membership - Order Received #201201-47049
Order Date/Time: 01/10/2012 02:10:03

dont know whats taking the site so long to give me the 'green check'... but just wanted to let you know.

i can print off the email and bring it in on the morning of ;)

[LegoRules]

Xander Waibel - 41673
PDGA Membership - Order Received #201201-47049
Order Date/Time: 01/10/2012 02:10:03

dont know whats taking the site so long to give me the 'green check'... but just wanted to let you know.

i can print off the email and bring it in on the morning of ;)


It took about 4 or 5 days for my green check to show up. You should have yours before the event.

That is a good point though if you are renewing at the last minute it is probably not a bad idea to bring a receipt to the event, so you have proof that you renewed.

Cindy :)

[Flash]

Xander Waibel - 41673
PDGA Membership - Order Received #201201-47049
Order Date/Time: 01/10/2012 02:10:03

dont know whats taking the site so long to give me the 'green check'... but just wanted to let you know.

i can print off the email and bring it in on the morning of ;)

PDGA updates memberships every Wednesday, they only do it once a week. If you do not see a green check mark by Wednesday evening plan on bringing proof in the form of your Order Processed email from the PDGA Store.

[Flash]

That video is awesome Lund!

That's how I felt reading Scott's and Flash's posts...

Luckily, I can thole reading that crap.

Man if that is how you feel just reading something you should be medicated, imagine if you were given a tedious task! Wait let me guess :shooting:

[XandorF]

It took about 4 or 5 days for my green check to show up. You should have yours before the event.

That is a good point though if you are renewing at the last minute it is probably not a bad idea to bring a receipt to the event, so you have proof that you renewed.

Cindy :)

snark=progress
:whistler:

[Bullseye]

In the event you missed this, I wanted to remind EVERYONE to renew their PDGA memberships immediately if you wish to avoid paying the required $10 fee non-member fee.

The big question is: How many people who said they were current with the PDGA when they registered for this event are going to complain when we call them out on the fact the they are NOT current.

Please don't put us into the position where we have to be the bad guys here.

Thanks,

Jeff

PS: If you have renewed recently and still show a red check mark, they are supposed to be updating that today. In the event they do not, they also email me a current list on the Friday before the event.




Hey Everyone!!!! PLEASE READ THIS!!!! I really don't want to hear people who signed up for this event saying they were current complaining about having to pay an additional $10 on the day of the event, because they did not renew their membership with the PDGA.

Remember, this is a PDGA rule, not a Stumptown rule, and the club will be held liable for the money if we allow you to play without being current.

Thanks and see you all out there.

[snap7times]

Having never played Dabney in the wet season and have heard that Dabney is not good in the winter... looks like a ton of rain coming down this week, is Dabney pose any issues in the rain or is that just sissy talk?

[Bullseye]

I think the best way to describe Dabney in heavy rain is... Sloshy!

[Flash]

I think the best way to describe Dabney in heavy rain is... Sloshy!

How Perfect! It is the Slosh Series, finally a course to live up to the moniker!

[Scott]

Having never played Dabney in the wet season and have heard that Dabney is not good in the winter... looks like a ton of rain coming down this week, is Dabney pose any issues in the rain or is that just sissy talk?

I don't get out to Dabney often, but I don't see why it wouldn't play well in the winter. Seems to me it plays better. Of course all bets are off this week. It will be sloshy indeed.

[Kevin Madrid]

I don't get out to Dabney often, but I don't see why it wouldn't play well in the winter. Seems to me it plays better. Of course all bets are off this week. It will be sloshy indeed.

Dabney in the winter is going to be NASTY :evilgrin: !!! High winds, horizontal rain (that will begin at the beginning of each round and stop exactly when the rounds are over), SLOSH! That is saying it lightly you will be slipping and sliding down 4's teepad, 5's hill, up to 6, and the walk to 7 will be a swamp! You will need to bring about 10 towels, 4 pairs of socks, 3 shoes, 2 sets of rain gear outfits, and 1 big case of the why am I here when i can be enjoying the inside warmth. j/k or am I :shocked:!!

Enjoy Dabney!

Kevin :cool2:

[Pizzel]

Dabney in the winter is going to be NASTY :evilgrin: !!! High winds, horizontal rain (that will begin at the beginning of each round and stop exactly when the rounds are over), SLOSH! That is saying it lightly you will be slipping and sliding down 4's teepad, 5's hill, up to 6, and the walk to 7 will be a swamp! You will need to bring about 10 towels, 4 pairs of socks, 3 shoes, 2 sets of rain gear outfits, and 1 big case of the why am I here when i can be enjoying the inside warmth. j/k or am I :shocked:!!

Enjoy Dabney!

Kevin :cool2:TRUTH!

[E-ROC]

Dabney in the winter is going to be NASTY :evilgrin: !!! High winds, horizontal rain (that will begin at the beginning of each round and stop exactly when the rounds are over), SLOSH! That is saying it lightly you will be slipping and sliding down 4's teepad, 5's hill, up to 6, and the walk to 7 will be a swamp! You will need to bring about 10 towels, 4 pairs of socks, 3 shoes, 2 sets of rain gear outfits, and 1 big case of the why am I here when i can be enjoying the inside warmth. j/k or am I :shocked:!!

Enjoy Dabney!

Kevin :cool2:

I think with that being said, hole 2 should be be moved to the right position instead of on top of the knoll. The hole will still be challenging in the wind being that there is OB directly behind it.

If you don't decide to move it maybe you can bring a tarp for a little slip and slid action out the back of the hill.

[Flash]

I think with that being said, hole 2 should be be moved to the right position instead of on top of the knoll. The hole will still be challenging in the wind being that there is OB directly behind it.

If you don't decide to move it maybe you can bring a tarp for a little slip and slid action out the back of the hill.

Isn't there also a left placement that brings the creek into play?

[E-ROC]

Isn't there also a left placement that brings the creek into play?


Yes, there is an alt left placement, but being a lefty I just thought I would offer that suggestion first:whistler:

Of course no matter what placement the basket is in.....it is still a lefty hole all the way.:biggrin2:

[Kevin Madrid]

Yes, there is an alt left placement, but being a lefty I just thought I would offer that suggestion first:whistler:

Of course no matter what placement the basket is in.....it is still a lefty hole all the way.:biggrin2:


Wherever Jeff would like... I will move it!

Kevin :cool2:

[chris7graham]

Just played there yesterday...wow it is a mess. Played in the snow we brought snow shovel to clear tees but the fairs ways on a lot of holes are mud bogs.:waaah:

[XandorF]

I think with that being said, hole 2 should be be moved to the right position instead of on top of the knoll. The hole will still be challenging in the wind being that there is OB directly behind it.

If you don't decide to move it maybe you can bring a tarp for a little slip and slid action out the back of the hill.

i think that if anything, during the wetness and nasty weather, it should remain on top of the hill. Whats the first thing we learn about when it floods? that we need to get to HIGH GROUND!! :puke:

and forget the towels and extra socks... just bring your BEAST MODE!

[ned.blaze]

So who's the 2 special guests joining us?

[GrummyBear]

So who's the 2 special guests joining us?

Quit being a slacker Nedro!

Look back on previous posts...

Wilko Shucastro is what I've heard.....

[Bullseye]

Quit being a slacker Nedro!

Look back on previous posts...

Wilko Shucastro is what I've heard.....


Grummy was probably one of those who yahoos who screw up someone's surprise birthday party too.

[GrummyBear]

Grummy was probably one of those who yahoos who screw up someone's surprise birthday party too.

I've orchestrated many surprise birthday parties, and all the recipients have been pleasantly shocked.

Sounds to me that the cat has been out of the bag long before my post, hence my knowledge of such "special" guests.

Keep secrets to yourselves people, Americans love gossip more than baseball.

[Bullseye]

Sounds to me that the cat has been out of the bag long before my post, hence my knowledge of such "special" guests.

Yes, a lot of people have known for a while, and... not a single one of them posted it online.

Just sayin...

[Matt B.]

Yes, a lot of people have known for a while, and... not a single one of them posted it online.

Just sayin...

Yeah, probably should have had STR8MAXWEIGHT post that one!

[GrummyBear]

So.. Now a lot.. MORE.. People know.. Maybe that will encourage MORE people to come along to witness such great golfers getting their slosh on.

[LegoRules]

Quit being a slacker Nedro!

Look back on previous posts...

Wilko Shucastro is what I've heard.....

Lamesause dude. :nono: Why spoil the surprise I was looking forward to being the surprise at the event. :mad:

Cindy :(

[Sam]

First world problems.... :rolleyes2:

[Flash]

Jeff H,

Have you thought about what will be considered casual water and what will be OB water? I am sure all established water ways are OB but most are probably outside their banks as well.

For instance behind the basket on hole 5 (maybe old 5) there is an area that collects standing water and it has grown, will this be considered standing water or will it be Dabney Pond #2?

Hole 6 also has that flow down the right side of the fairway, will it be casual and if so where will relief be given?

On the lower holes coming back toward the parking lot how will the embankment be played? Will it be played as in bounds? If so will the creek be the only OB or will creek and over be OB?

[Bullseye]

Jeff H,

Have you thought about what will be considered casual water and what will be OB water? I am sure all established water ways are OB but most are probably outside their banks as well.

For instance behind the basket on hole 5 (maybe old 5) there is an area that collects standing water and it has grown, will this be considered standing water or will it be Dabney Pond #2?

Hole 6 also has that flow down the right side of the fairway, will it be casual and if so where will relief be given?

On the lower holes coming back toward the parking lot how will the embankment be played? Will it be played as in bounds? If so will the creek be the only OB or will creek and over be OB?


I have all OBs and mandos listed on the back of each scorecard. As a general rule I left all creeks and the pond on 2 as OB. I listed the creek and over on the lower holes as ob. Other than that all standing water will be casual.

[Bullseye]

First world problems.... :rolleyes2:

What the hell Sam? Do you EVER have anything positive to add, or are you just turning into a full-time troll? Seriously? What did this add to the conversation?

[Sam]

Uh... I responded to the negativity with a joke, Jeff. I mean, really... is it the end of the world that the secret guests who may or may not show up at the event on Sunday have been revealed? I know I won't be able to sleep now that the secret is out and this bothers me a hell of a lot more than people starving in Africa...

Yeah. Pretty much full-time troll. :)

[Scott]

Uh... I responded to the negativity with a joke, Jeff. I mean, really... is it the end of the world that the secret guests who may or may not show up at the event on Sunday have been revealed? I know I won't be able to sleep now that the secret is out and this bothers me a hell of a lot more than people starving in Africa...

Yeah. Pretty much full-time troll. :)

Isn't this site just the place for such trivial matters? Should we only discuss how to end starvation in Africa from this point forward?

[Bullseye]

Can we just keep all the pointless negative garbage out of here.

I like disc golf. I'm going to play a lot of disc golf on Sunday... probably in the rain. I am OK with that. Why? Because I really do like disc golf. Its fun.

[Bullseye]

Well it is a moot point now. I just talked to Dave and he and our guests can't make it back to Oregon in time.

I'll be contacting people on the wait list to fill those spots.

Jeff

[Sam]

Sorry... I see people complaining about trivial crap... I feel compelled to point it out. Sue me. :)

[snap7times]

I've orchestrated many surprise birthday parties, and all the recipients have been pleasantly shocked.

Sounds to me that the cat has been out of the bag long before my post, hence my knowledge of such "special" guests.

Keep secrets to yourselves people, Americans love gossip more than baseball.

hmmm... you know how to keep a secret but had to post it online? We love disc golf more than gossip...

[snap7times]

Well it is a moot point now. I just talked to Dave and he and our guests can't make it back to Oregon in time.

I'll be contacting people on the wait list to fill those spots.

Jeff


DAMMMMM ITTTT. I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO PLAYING WITH THEM! Maybe they heard the secret was out and felt not so special anymore... you ruined ittttt... :waaah:
See y'all Sunday..

[Sean Phillips]

Uh... I responded to the negativity with a joke, Jeff.

Your jokes have been pretty contentious lately. :whistler:

[LegoRules]

We will have the 2012 Stumptown bag tags for sale Sunday morning at the Slosh. You must me a member to purchase the bag tags. A Stumptown membership is $10 & the bag tags are also $10. We will also be taking renewals & new memberships Sunday morning. They are pretty sweet this year metal with leather straps. #1 - #10 are gold & #11 - #100 are silver. We will be making a list of those who have purchased tags in the morning, and the lowest score for the two rounds will get tag #1.

1287

[Pizzel]

We will have the 2012 Stumptown bag tags for sale Sunday morning at the Slosh. You must me a member to purchase the bag tags. A Stumptown membership is $10 & the bag tags are also $10. We will also be taking renewals & new memberships Sunday morning. They are pretty sweet this year metal with leather straps. #1 - #10 are gold & #11 - #100 are silver. We will be making a list of those who have purchased tags in the morning, and the lowest score for the two rounds will get tag #1.

1287Is there a way to renew memberships online?

[LegoRules]

Is there a way to renew memberships online?

Yes right here:

http://www.4discgolf.com/index.php?route=product/product&manufacturer_id=16&product_id=54

Cindy :)

[Kevin Madrid]

Walked the course today and it looks good. There are some areas that are wet, but in all very playable.

Original Hole #'ing
Hole 1 - Right position
Hole 2 - Hill
Hole 3- Righit on hill
Hole 4 - Right (Jeff, should bring temp. basket for far left position)
Hole 5 - Deep ( Jeff, I would make the "new pond" OB... just need to mark with stakes/paint line. Left of pond play as casuall water and make drop "putt" zone)
Hole 6 - Right (sorry left side taken out by lawn mower)
Hole 7 - Right (straight shot)
Hole 8 - Left in the bowl area
Hole 9 - Left on hill
Hole 10 - Field
Hole 11 - (Deep...forgot WD-40 :slapface: can move for 2nd round)
Hole 12 - Regular
Hole 13 - Hill
Hole 14 - Deep right
Hole 15 - Regular (Don't forget the first tree mando :cop:).
Hole 16 - Deep
Hole 17 - Left next to slope
"New" Hole 18 ( by practice basket) - Regular.

Good luck...Have fun...and enjoy "THE SLOSH @ DABNEY' !!!

Kevin :cool2:

[E-ROC]

Is there a way to renew memberships online?

Pizzel, I just saw your renewal come in on the link. You and Coleman are paid up and on the 2012 member list.

Thanks for your support!!:rockon: STUMPTOWN

[snap7times]

ahhh nice and warm at home watching sf vs giants... what a wet day... only thing that kept me warm was pinkal's game the 2nd round. A good day indeed

[Bullseye]

RESULTS ARE UP! (http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/79034)

[Sam]

What was the par 4? 13?

[Bullseye]

What was the par 4? 13?

16

[Wes Hansen]

Nice shooting Dan Brown Jr!
Looks like Advanced will be getting a new member soon.
I'm glad I'm old enough where he only gets to beat me one day a week during LL!
Go DBJ!

[Sam]

16

Oh good! So it was a birdie and only a triple bogey... :rolleyes2:

Thank you for a great tournament. I enjoyed myself even down to the nap I took in the car rather than finish the last 7 holes.

[XandorF]

Oh good! So it was a birdie and only a triple bogey... :rolleyes2:

Thank you for a great tournament. I enjoyed myself even down to the nap I took in the car rather than finish the last 7 holes.
i made a point of bothering him as much as possible during that nap.

[Sam]

Truth. First person I have had to throw out of my car in a long time...

[PhilStomp]

Great Job! Well ran! Bunch of great people to play with.
Thank you to the sponsers.
Big Thank you to the TD and Staff.

Very wiped out and tired today. It took a lot of warm blankets to get rid of the chill.

Garry, it was a pleasure to get to play both rounds with you.

Thanks again, Phillip Kurtz

[PhilStomp]

There was a lot of talk about one players miss play.
He was cool with however it was ruled (and that is very cool) but he wanted to understand just how the official rules would handle the miss play.

I was just sitting to the side and could not gather exactly what happen but I too am interested.

Could someone, please, detail the miss play event?
I believe I heard Jeff say that he was going to look into it.
Jeff, would you, please, pass on your findings.

I was glad to see how it was all handled.
All parties that I was listening to, seem to be most interested in getting it right. Level headed, no yelling and no blaming.

To the gentleman who miss played the hole.
Sorry about that but I felt that you handled it very well.

[Sam]

Heh... you have to finish all of the holes in proper order. If you do not finish a hole and proceed to play on, it should be ruled as follows:

Count the total number of strokes for the hole that should have been finished and add two strokes. If he threw 2 (he did) and then played on, his score on the unfinished hole would be a 4p. Subsequently, every throw he took before finishing the unfinished hole would be treated as a practice throw resulting in a one stroke penalty per throw. There is then the question of adding a 2 stroke penalty to this hole, as well, but that is where I get confused about stacking penalties. If stacked and he threw a drive and 2 upshots before holing out, he would go back to the previous hole and finish it (which I think would actually give him a 5p on the unfinished hole) and would be teeing off again on the subsequent hole as his 5th shot.

I think.

[XandorF]

There was a lot of talk about one players miss play.
He was cool with however it was ruled (and that is very cool) but he wanted to understand just how the official rules would handle the miss play.

I was just sitting to the side and could not gather exactly what happen but I too am interested.

Could someone, please, detail the miss play event?
I believe I heard Jeff say that he was going to look into it.
Jeff, would you, please, pass on your findings.

I was glad to see how it was all handled.
All parties that I was listening to, seem to be most interested in getting it right. Level headed, no yelling and no blaming.

To the gentleman who miss played the hole.
Sorry about that but I felt that you handled it very well.

i appriciate that. it was me. unfortunately.

but here is how it was actually played (leaving out rules)

shot one: up to hole 12 about 25-30' long
shot two: hits front basket and drops directly below basket
--- a small argument about courtesy between myself and another player on the card---
we collect scores, i forgot at this point who was collecting the scores, i think it might have been me. i was recorded for a '3'
all tee off hole 13-
shot three: tee off hole 13, attempted roller that hits early tree.
shot four: eagle upshot that his the big fir tree 100' short of the basket up the hill
shot six: putter upshot to the basket.
then, i realized i had just thrown one of my two putters... and the other was missing. i turned back to see it lying below the basket.
i then turned back to my group, informing them of my folly, as to not aquire anymore penalty than needed. briefly discussed what i should do as to remedy the situation. we agreed that i did not play out the hole, and needed to do so. and i would be assessed a practice stroke penalty for every shot that i took before finishing out the hole previous.
then i re-teed
shot seven: roller that actually worked this time!
shot eight: putter upshot under the basket
shot nine: in the bucket.

so recap.

1,2 shots on hole 12
1,2,3 shots on hole 13 before realizing i didnt hole out, (i did not hole out hole 13 the first time through lol)
1 shot go back and finish off hole 12
then 1, 2, 3 shots to finish out hole 13.

So you tell me, whats to do with the score?

i have my honest opinion. , but id like to hear what some more qualified and seasoned players would rule this as. and any advice from anyone would be greatly appreciated as to avoid this whole situation in the future. but as brody miller pointed out to me "guess you wont do that ever again"

i want to sincerely thank Ashley Petersen and Jeff Hagerty for putting on an amazing event and for dealing with this whole situation. i know it must have caused more work but i really do appreciate your willingness to talk with me and help me better understand this crazy game we love to play.

-Xander Waibel #41673

[bryan_luoma]

Bummer, I hate to see this happen. This IS a tricky ruling.
After reading 803.01 b and 803.13 it is still unclear to me how to score this.

http://www.pdga.com/rules/80301-general
http://www.pdga.com/rules/80313-holing-out

During sanctioned play, I cannot see someone running back to hole out and replay holes (not to mention, the disc would prolly be picked up already if it was under the basket), I dunno?

My best guess is that your result should be 4p on 12 (2 throws + 2 penalty throws)? Unfortunately, this particular situation is complicated because it sounds like hole 13 was abandoned in order to go back and hole out on 12?

I'm guessing it would've been better to finish 13 cleanly, then discuss hole 12 and take the 2 throw penalty for not holing out on 12?

What if the player did not realize he/she inadvertently failed to hole out until many holes later?

numActualThrows (on said hole only) + 2, done?
999 at TDs discretion?
Other?

[XandorF]

Bummer, I hate to see this happen. This IS a tricky ruling.
After reading 803.01 b and 803.13 it is still unclear to me how to score this.

http://www.pdga.com/rules/80313-holing-out

What if the player did not realize he/she inadvertently failed to hole out until many holes later?

numActualThrows (on said hole only) + 2, done?
999 at TDs discretion?
Other?

well you quoted the holing out rules. if you figured out that you didnt hole out. as long it was inadvertent, the hole is considered complete. So that being said, hole 12 was completed the second i tee'd off on hole 13. and then i played hole 13 horribly wrong. throwing 3 times, which would have counted, and yes i should have just holed out at that point... but i didnt because i feared being completely disqualified. I misplayed hole 13, and i completed the hole using 7 strokes, which were out of order which is why it was a misplayed hole. this is where im getting the 7 strokes and +2p for misplaying the hole. I completed hole 12 according to the rules under 803.13 A. (2). and despite how i misplayed the next hole (13), i still completed it in seven strokes, though they were not in order, which led to my penalty under rule 801.04 D. (closest thing i could find to what happened) which is a +2 stroke penalty for misplaying the hole... haa.
The only thing that i was concerned about at that point was completing both holes, so a 999's was avoided. i dont see, in any of these circumstances, and reason for a complete disqualification for what i did.

[runnaman]

It sounds to me like hole 12 could be scored as

Drive
missed putt
"Practice throw (hole 13) - warning"
"practice throw (hole 13) - stroke"
"practice throw (hole 13) - stroke"
Hole out - hole 12

Total - 5 strokes

Hole 13

Drive
Upshot
Putt

Total - 3 Strokes

How does that sound?

[JMan]

Wow...Let's go back to the line where there was mention of a courtesy violation discussion about throwing out of turn...was that a result of you taking your putt before another player, whose disc was out? If so, all that other politically written rule stuff could have been avoided if only you were more courteous to the members of your group. Cutting in front of another throw is as much a rhythm breaker as cutting in front of folks approaching Tee 7 at Pier.

Manners...obviously...they 'count'

[XandorF]

Wow...Let's go back to the line where there was mention of a courtesy violation discussion about throwing out of turn...was that a result of you taking your putt before another player, whose disc was out? If so, all that other politically written rule stuff could have been avoided if only you were more courteous to the members of your group. Cutting in front of another throw is as much a rhythm breaker as cutting in front of folks approaching Tee 7 at Pier.

Manners...obviously...they 'count'

i was the away player. and when i set my bag down, picked out my putter and turned around to walk to my lie another player, that was clearly closer to the pin than me, was already at his lie in his putting rhythm. after he made his putt i went and attempted mine, and missed. after which i did not call him for a courtesy violation; rather, just informed the player that i was displeased with his order and manner of play. i received a "its not that big a deal," and "get over it and quit wining," type response from a couple of the other players in the group as we proceeded to play on to hole 13.
I AM NOT BLAMING ANYONE BUT MYSELF for what happened to ME. for i should know the rules for myself and not rely on others to tell me what to do. i am just giving more information as to the matter of the circumstance. Later in the round i offered my apologies to the other players in the group as my intentions were not to offend them. i have never been one to hold my tongue when i feel like i am being treated unfairly.
though, through all of this, my rhythm was severely severed and lead to me forgetting my putter below the basket. and after that two hole fiasco (not talking about pinkal's mom) i could not shake the cloud of discontent that followed me for the rest of the round.
round 1 will go down as one of the worst rated rounds i have recorded (so far and hopefully forever); however, i did manage to have a great lunch and multiple pep talks later i was able to recuperate and come back during round 2 to shoot one of my best rated rounds ever (1022). in the end, i had a great day in the rain and muck.

[Wes Hansen]

I think it's a 7 on 12 and a 7 on 13 from what I've heard.
I bet Jeff is making damn sure he does his best to reflect the rules correctly.
I'll be interested in the TDs final say on this.
And which rules (violations) were used to determine the proper score.

I thought the PDGA addressed speed of play in relation to putting and, in my limited experience, first to disc from tee very often putts before long and wrong.

.... and though putting out of order MAY be a courtesy violation, I have great difficulty believing "when" the putt is attempted (with some exceptions) has anything to do with whether the putt goes in. That's all on the puttee.

[XandorF]

I think it's a 7 on 12 and a 7 on 13 from what I've heard.
I bet Jeff is making damn sure he does his best to reflect the rules correctly.
I'll be interested in the TDs final say on this.
And which rules (violations) were used to determine the proper score.

I thought the PDGA addressed speed of play in relation to putting and, in my limited experience, first to disc from tee very often putts before long and wrong.

.... and though putting out of order MAY be a courtesy violation, I have great difficulty believing "when" the putt is attempted (with some exceptions) has anything to do with whether the putt goes in. That's all on the puttee.

801.02 Order of Play
C. After all the players in the group have teed off, the player farthest from the hole (the away player) throws first. To facilitate flow of play, a player who is not farthest away may play next if the away player consents.

As the away player, i did not consent to the player that went out of turn; therefor, a courtesy violation could have been imposed.

E. Throwing out of turn shall be considered a courtesy violation. See 801.01F.
F. A player violating a courtesy rule may be warned by any affected player,...


the actions taken by "player B", regardless of how insignificant, were against the rules and AFFECTED my ability to play.

i chose to not give a courtesy violation in favor of just talking to the player. i guess i will just issue warnings over talking it out from now on.

[Wes Hansen]

You are a good player and come across as intelligent, though youthfully arrogant.

In my experience, you have no problem having your say during play. Regardless of whether you are clear on the rules or not. The response you received seems appropriate.

It seems if you were bothered at the time, it would have been appropriate to stop the player in question with a simple, "I'M OUT!" and then the whole rest of the discussion would be unnecessary.

And I don't mean for this post to seem the personal attack it has a hint of. But I've heard you refer to your version of the rules several times in an all-knowing manner (not in this thread- in person) and hope you iron that out as you rise up to and into the pro ranks.

[XandorF]

You are a good player and come across as intelligent, though youthfully arrogant.

In my experience, you have no problem having your say during play. Regardless of whether you are clear on the rules or not. The response you received seems appropriate.

It seems if you were bothered at the time, it would have been appropriate to stop the player in question with a simple, "I'M OUT!" and then the whole rest of the discussion would be unnecessary.

And I don't mean for this post to seem the personal attack it has a hint of. But I've heard you refer to your version of the rules several times in an all-knowing manner and hope you iron that out as you rise up to and into the pro ranks.

Like i said before, i have never been one to hold my tongue. but i would consider myself to be someone that is very aware of my surroundings and do my best as to not disrupt other players during their game and throws. I would never disrupt a player once he has started his rhythm (on purpose), just out of courtesy to them.
i also have only been playing disc golf for 4 years now. i consider myself a relatively new player. i have read the rule book through a couple of times, but i still do not completely understand everything that i need to. Part of me being vocal and open with other players about the rulings is so that i can confirm them to be true. There have been many many many times where i believed that one rule i was playing by was true, only to be pointed out then or later that i was wrong. if i am wrong i do not argue, i accept and apologize for the fault on my part. in these situations is when i can learn the most, and do my best as to not repeat my mistakes. i always follow the rules to the best of my ability and knowledge, and will continue to encourage others to do so.

but i want to thank you for your flattery. i do not take any offense to you or your comments Wes. true, i am intelligent and arrogant. but youre wrong about me being a good player. im a great player, and im not going anywhere. :nahnah:

[snap7times]

Sorry to see this happen, impt learn and grow from it. I have seen this happen often during competition and usually we just putt when we putt, communicate who's turn it is etc. When someone goes before the right person, hopefully the players are good enough to focus only on themselves and not let it get to their head. Sean Philips actually threw his 125 foot upshot on hole 13 right before I threw my 175 foot upshot and it did affect me as his disc was half way to the basket when I was going through my motion and I shorted the basket big time. He came up and said sorry and I said no biggie, it happens, I should have stopped my motion or stayed confident, so I went up for the 50+ foot putt over the huge log and nailed it; only yourself control your game.
So, the player who was obviously closer, was already in his motion, he was just going for the speed of play; let him putt, give yourself more time to focus and motivation to nail the putt.
Great 1022 round

[Sean Phillips]

So just to out myself so there isn't secrecy, I was the person that putted before Xander. I felt that the two discs were close in distance and my lie was quicker to address. Mine was short of the basket, Xander's was long. So without consulting the group, I addressed my lie and putted. Xander was nice enough to let me putt without disruption.

As stated before, Xander approached me with his complaint. My response was pretty much what Xander described. The point I was trying to get across was that a golfer shouldn't let relatively small things like this get to him/her. We continued our round, shook hands, and I feel all is well. No hurt feelings.

Now the evidence of my speed of play habits showed it's ugly head during the second round with Snap. I identified that situation as a definite foul on my part and immediately apologized.

[Bullseye]

I think I have this mess figured out, and I am sending in my final TD report. At the tourney I had initially scored these two holes as (12) 3+2=5 and (13) 3+3=6, however, after hearing the whole story in greater detail AND consulting some rules gurus I am going submit this scored as follows:

AT: Actual throws that counted
P: Penalty for misplaying hole
PT: Practice Throw

Hole #12: 2AT + 2P + 1PT = 5
Hole #13: 3AT + 2P + 3 PT = 8

The key lesson here is this: if you EVER have a rules question during a sanctioned round, regardless of what your group says, always declare your provisional throws. This is how this SHOULD have worked out for Xander. He should have simply finished out Hole 13 for his 4, then taken his 2 stroke penalty for unintentionally not finishing Hole 12.

Hole #12: 2AT + 2P = 4
Hole #13: 4AT = 4

That would have been a much better result than the 14 he took due to the confusion.

Thanks,

Jeff

[emmarose]

;)

enough about xander already (kidding 'cause this was actually interesting to hear about)...

i would like to congratulate:

pinkal and his mom for some great shooting and a nice win in open...

andrea keller for killing it in advanced and shooting well above her rating... if that girl gave up everything else she does that is super cool and just played golf... what a force to be reckoned with she would be...

ned blaisdell... not just a nice guy, but a great player... congrats on 1st in advanced...

and jeff hagerty and his one footed putting to take the win in masters...

and phillip kurtz (advanced grandmasters)... you're lucky you said all those nice things about him or else i'd be pissed that you beat my dad...

dan brown, jr destroys the intermediate division ... it's been a pleasure to watch you grow (and i don't just mean passing the 6 foot mark)... my favorite thing about you besides your skill has always been your demeanor and sportsmanship... impressive for such a young man.

lynn (not theodora!!!) for another win in intermediate women and for on her own deciding it was time to move up ( i actually still think she should finish out the series in intermediate... winning is just so much fun)

and crist garcia (i finally remembered... hey, did anyone ever check that dude's id?) for the win in advanced masters...

... and me? i wore my trophy hat to work all day yesterday and the blazer game last night... with the tag still on... damn right, i did. :p




... oh, and props to sean phillips for being a good sport, consummate professional and all around stand up guy... and it sounds like you, as well, xander... rules are important and so is knowing them (i hope that you are reading your rulebook right now! and this is a good lesson in that speed of play is important indeed but so is taking the proper amount of time... i find that nothing good ever comes from rushing rushing rushing...)


yeah, slosh!!!

p.s. super good idea on the hats, miss ashley peterson!!! and thank you to everyone who always makes these things happen...

[ned.blaze]

Thank you Emma for your kind words and beautiful spirit, always a pleaaure seeing you out there.

[Jason Philips]

dan brown, jr... it's been a pleasure to watch you grow (and i don't just mean passing the 6 foot mark)... my favorite thing about you besides your skill has always been your demeanor and sportsmanship... impressive for such a young man.

Very true. He is going to make one hell of a pro and a great ambassador for the sport.

[blu666z]

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ycn-10872201

[Flatroc]

So.. Now a lot.. MORE.. People know.. Maybe that will encourage MORE people to come along to witness such great golfers getting their slosh on.

As a Stumptown DGC member and someone who could care less about secrets, I think this is a gudt point.
Moot yep, but I did get excited for all of you folks up there for a bit.