2012 Member Initiative #1

[Wobbly Bob]

A group of current SDGA members has put together a member initiative and asked me to disperse it to our membership.

This initiative addresses the growth of disc golf in Spokane and an idea that has been around for a couple of years.

[LJ Jubner]

It's a good idea whos time has been a long time in coming

[Dadio!]

So who would be in charge of this new organization? How would design process go forward? Looks like changing horses in mid stream, is that the best plan?

Constant wrangling gets tough to listen to and it is hard to know who to trust.

Let me be clear, I hardly know anyone here and am not on anyone's side. I would like to see the Sekani property well used, I really like Disc golfing and am excited to see this project going forward.

[Gordy #21004]

The initiative is a statement of goodwill. It's objective is to give Jeremy and Jeff what they want. If the Parks Dept. will accept them as the point men for a new DG Service Club, the SDGA will transfer to them it's right to undertake this project presuming our membership will give the initiative their stamp of approval at the next meeting. In the meantime Jeff, Jeremy, and myself have spoken to Parks officials about our common recognition of the need for an additional service club. In the meantime our Board is working on a letter or statement to the Parks Dept. to formally express this need and all the other benefits that come with having more involvement in our area. All of the conversations that have taken place between the involved parties has been 100% in mutual agreement. This is THE Win-Win proposition of the New Year. Hope you agree, Gordy

[Parks]

It's objective is to give Jeremy and Jeff what they want.

That's half true. As you point out later, it gives the controlling interests of the SDGA what they want as well: Jeff and Jeremy out of their hair. The agreement reads to me like a question of how much the SDGA is willing to pay to get rid of Jeff and Jeremy, and the answer is not much.

This is THE Win-Win proposition of the New Year.

Sure, its Win-Win for the parties involved in the agreement because it suits the political needs of both sides. The only people that might lose out are the Spokane golfers hoping to get a quality course in the ground soon.

[Dadio!]

That sounds good, Gordy, but is not explicit in what is in initiative. Agreements like this are only as good as they are written and that one leaves lots of questions I would like to see answered in it before signing off.

I agree that the area is big enough for another group to flourish but how it is layed out in the beginning is important.

[Wobbly Bob]

That sounds good, Gordy, but is not explicit in what is in initiative. Agreements like this are only as good as they are written and that one leaves lots of questions I would like to see answered in it before signing off.

I agree that the area is big enough for another group to flourish but how it is layed out in the beginning is important.

Dadio, the Member Initiative is very explicit about what the SDGA is proposing. If SDGA members, the SDGA Board and the Parks Dept. agree to recognize a new disc golf service organization, management, design and installation of a new course(s) for disc golf at Camp Sekani will be turned over to the new organization. Once that organization has a club checking account the SDGA will transfer all Camp Sekani benefit funds we are holding to the new organization and the SDGA will pay for the first and last baskets on the course(s). If your questions are concerning what will happen after the proposed transfer you will have to direct those questions to the new club.

If you or anyone has questions about the initiative or the new club please post them here.

This initiative will likely be presented to the membership for a vote on Jan. 10, 2012 at the Candidates Forum.

We are trying to schedule a meeting with the Parks Dept for next week.

[General Scales]

I am torn on the idea. There are good and negatives to both sides of this and all I really care about is just getting a damn good course in the ground at Sekani. I don't really give two shiites about who does it. Just get it done.

[Dadio!]

Actually, who will this new club be? Does it come with people in Charge or will they be elected? When and How? I realize what it says, I get that part. It just seems to me there is alot unsaid. It will be hard for people to recognize something that doesn't exist yet.

[Wobbly Bob]

Actually, who will this new club be? Does it come with people in Charge or will they be elected? When and How? I realize what it says, I get that part. It just seems to me there is alot unsaid. It will be hard for people to recognize something that doesn't exist yet.

At present, I believe that Jeff Crum and Jeremy Thornton would be the organizing people. As to club leadership selection methods, structure, when and how can not and should not be speculated upon by the SDGA. These are items that the new group will have to work out amongst themselves.

Once the initiative is approved, it would seem wise for them to establish the new service organization and start promoting it ASAP. The SDGA is working on a better way to facilitate getting a course in the ground at Camp Sekani than what is written in the initiative..

[LJ Jubner]

Bob becasue I am a mail in ballot and the election will be on the same night Can I note my preference on my ballot a my opinion be considered for this issue also?

[Wobbly Bob]

The authors of the SDGA Membership Initiative have rewritten Article C to further facilitate having baskets in the ground at Camp Sekani this year.

Gordy Crafts met with Jeremy Thornton, Jeff Crum, Monica Milstead, JD Peterson and Tyler Cadle yesterday to discuss expediting the installation of baskets at Camp Sekani. In an attempt to make this happen Article C in the Membership Initiative has been rewritten.

FROM; :nono:

Article C. The SDGA will support the NDGSO by sponsoring the baskets on Hole #1 andHole #18 on each course. Upon notification from the NDGSO that basket installation will commence on a given date, the SDGA will issue a check not to exceed $450.00 to the NDGSO for the basket and anchor on Hole #1. Once the SDGA is notified that the first nine disc golf holes are completed the SDGA will issue a check not to exceed $450.00 for the basket and anchor on Hole #18. Once the second nine holes are completed this procedure will be repeated for the second course.

TO; :rockon:

Article C. The SDGA will lend the NDGSO up to 18 baskets and anchors for a period of up to 16 months. The 16 months will begin as soon as the SDGA provides these items. Beyond the 16 month lending period the NDGSO may continue to use the baskets and anchors at a stipend of $20 per month at the SDGA's option. The SDGA will supply it's own locks to secure these items during the lending period and/or during the option period. Upon return of these items it is agreed that they will be reasonably in their original condition. Finally, if the NDGSO elects to keep the anchors on loan, The SDGA will provide them at a cost of $10 apiece.

The revised document is attached here.

[tomw]

Bob becasue I am a mail in ballot and the election will be on the same night, Can I also note my preference on my ballot and my opinion be considered for this issue ?
Q#1-Will the ndgco vote take place on ELECTION NIGHT??

[Wobbly Bob]

Bob becasue I am a mail in ballot and the election will be on the same night, Can I also note my preference on my ballot and my opinion be considered for this issue ?
Q#1-Will the ndgco vote take place on ELECTION NIGHT??

Tom, I believe that the Member Initiative will be addressed at the Candidates Forum on January 10, 2012. The election procedures and our Charter do not address write-in candidates or measures. If the Initiative is voted on election night you will need to be present to vote.

[General Scales]

Where will the SDGA procure 18 baskets on lend>

[LJ Jubner]

Lets see
Give a cash donation to buy baskets
or
Buy new baskets for Downriver and loan the current ones from there.

[LJ Jubner]

Personally I think the rental agreement is ok.

I remember when holes were built one at a time. It's interesting that the new Club (who should have a name by now) wants it all done for them financially.

I remember several times clearly hearing the new clubs founder had corporate sponsorship. Is that still the case or was it just smoke?

[General Scales]

I think that there should be new baskets at both locations. Those Cool Shoes should be retired. They are wonderful but archaic

[LJ Jubner]

there will be another day no need to spend the all treasurey at once. 16 months is great and very attainable goal.

[Gordy #21004]

[QUOTE=LJ Jubner;112466

It's interesting that the new Club (who should have a name by now) wants it all done for them financially.

Jubbie,No one is trying to have everything taken care financially. There have been two very reasonable propositions under Article C which make clear the measure's intent to support the new Club. The measure intends to make the scope of this support clear now so there is no confusion or misunderstanding in the future.
Jeff and Jeremy are hard at it to get a lot of details relating to their new Club concept and their plans to get a course in the ground worked out in a surprisingly short time. I think they understand the importance of having a reasonable presentation for the Club at tomorrow night's meeting so that we have a fair idea of what and who we are approving.
The SDGA is also prepared to move ahead on this project and will if that's how it goes. Personally I think this is a unique and rare opportunity to let something we've spoken of for years finally happen. Gordy

[Yoduh]

I am very excited to help build two exciting disc golf courses, and a new Disc Golf Uprising to grow disc golf out in the Valley. The name of our proposed new club is, Disc Golf Uprising. There are two groups that this new group needs approval from, to get our feet underneath us. The SDGA club members will be asked to approve our handling Camp Sekani. After that, we have a meeting pending with the Parks department, to seek their approval. If both of these entity's approve our need to exist than we will be submitting grant application's and approaching local business owners about funding our disc golf courses. There will be business sponsorship forms available at the meeting tomorrow for anyone interested in helping raise money for Camp Sekani. There will also be a form if you are interested in joining to help build Camp Sekani. Thank you for your support,
Jeremy Thornton

[General Scales]

I am very excited to help build two exciting disc golf courses, and a new Disc Golf Uprising to grow disc golf out in the Valley. The name of our proposed new club is, Disc Golf Uprising. There are two groups that this new group needs approval from, to get our feet underneath us. The SDGA club members will be asked to approve our handling Camp Sekani. After that, we have a meeting pending with the Parks department, to seek their approval. If both of these entity's approve our need to exist than we will be submitting grant application's and approaching local business owners about funding our disc golf courses. There will be business sponsorship forms available at the meeting tomorrow for anyone interested in helping raise money for Camp Sekani. There will also be a form if you are interested in joining to help build Camp Sekani. Thank you for your support,
Jeremy Thornton

I'll lend my support to a valley club.

[Dadio!]

Please either start a thread here or somewhere to keep those of us out of town in the loop about the (proposed) new club. I am glad to see this is am amiable joint effort. :-)

PS Please stick with some sort of high visibility basket. The yellow Chastity belts may be a pain sometimes but are great to be able to spot.

[Yoduh]

It passed unanimously!:yay: I believe that there were 28 votes (don't quote me). The SDGA will be offering $1,800 in seed money up front to build disc golf at camp Sekani!! :rockon: If, the Parks association approves the change... :merlin:

[General Scales]

It passed unanimously!:yay: I believe that there were 28 votes (don't quote me). The SDGA will be offering $1,800 in seed money up front to build disc golf at camp Sekani!! :rockon: If, the Parks association approves the change... :merlin:

Hell yeah! When can we have member sign ups and board position appointments?

[Wobbly Bob]

The 2012 Member Initiative passed unanimously last night after the Candidates Forum was finished. The Member Initiative was rewritten at the meeting and I'm presenting the version that was passed by the membership last night. Once the Spokane Parks Dept. recognizes the new organization, Disc Golf Uprising will be on it's way as the new disc golf service organization.

The Initiative is attached below.

[Dadio!]

Thanks Bob! Anything else interesting happen for those of us on the wrong 1/2 of the state?

[Wobbly Bob]

Representatives from the SDGA, Gordy Crafts, Bob Perrewe, Joe Barnett and representatives of Disc Golf Uprising, Jeff Crum and Jeremy Thornton met this evening with Spokane Parks Dept. agents Taylor Bressler and Mike Aho. The purpose of this meeting was to seek SP&RD acknowledgement of the new disc golf club Disc Golf Uprising. The new organization has been recognized by the Parks Dept. and has been given the exclusive right to develop disc golf in Camp Sekani.

Congratulations and Good Luck to the new disc golf service organization Disc Golf Uprising.

[LJ Jubner]

Yes, Congratulations are in order for both clubs and the greater Disc Golfing Community at large.

[Sky Pilot]

Thanks to all that supported our efforts to get this going. We really appreciate it!

Romans 8:28

Sky Pilot
:biggrin2:

[Gordy #21004]

There have been two very reasonable propositions under Article C which make clear the measure's intent to support the new Club. The measure intends to make the scope of this support clear now so there is no confusion or misunderstanding in the future.
Jeff and Jeremy are hard at it to get a lot of details relating to their new Club concept and their plans to get a course in the ground worked out in a surprisingly short time. I think they understand the importance of having a reasonable presentation for the Club at tomorrow night's meeting so that we have a fair idea of what and who we are approving.
The SDGA is also prepared to move ahead on this project and will if that's how it goes. Personally I think this is a unique and rare opportunity to let something we've spoken of for years finally happen.
The first element of the SDGA's commitment to foster the development of Jeff and Jeremy's project at Camp Sekani took place on the day the SDGA Membership passed the initiative. The money raised at the various fundraisers for Sekani was turned over to the DGU from the SDGA account.
Now the second leg of support will be carried out. The eligible SDGA members who elected to have their 2012 SDGA Membership dues returned in order to support the new Disc Golf Service Organization will begin receiving their refunds as soon as this coming weekend. The DGU will be supplied with a list of these individuals so that they may work with them directly to receive their support.

[Yoduh]

There have been two very reasonable propositions under Article C which make clear the measure's intent to support the new Club. The measure intends to make the scope of this support clear now so there is no confusion or misunderstanding in the future.
Jeff and Jeremy are hard at it to get a lot of details relating to their new Club concept and their plans to get a course in the ground worked out in a surprisingly short time. I think they understand the importance of having a reasonable presentation for the Club at tomorrow night's meeting so that we have a fair idea of what and who we are approving.
The SDGA is also prepared to move ahead on this project and will if that's how it goes. Personally I think this is a unique and rare opportunity to let something we've spoken of for years finally happen.
The first element of the SDGA's commitment to foster the development of Jeff and Jeremy's project at Camp Sekani took place on the day the SDGA Membership passed the initiative. The money raised at the various fundraisers for Sekani was turned over to the DGU from the SDGA account.
Now the second leg of support will be carried out. The eligible SDGA members who elected to have their 2012 SDGA Membership dues returned in order to support the new Disc Golf Service Organization will begin receiving their refunds as soon as this coming weekend. The DGU will be supplied with a list of these individuals so that they may work with them directly to receive their support.

So what was originally agreed was too simple that the SDGA would pass on the membership fee's to the new club... This more complicated angle is an interesting way to make it harder to figure out if people who intended to have their memberships forwarded to the new club. Instead of one check being written for say $220 so the new club knows that 9 people got refunded, the SDGA treasurer has chosen to come up with his own method of disguising payments due to Disc Golf Uprising. Thanks a ton from a small group of people who already have a bunch out their plate. I'm sure that your amended decision to pay DGU has been done through a unanimous club vote as the original agreement was voted on... Simple obstinance at it's finest!:rolleyes2:

[Yoduh]

There have been two very reasonable propositions under Article C which make clear the measure's intent to support the new Club. The measure intends to make the scope of this support clear now so there is no confusion or misunderstanding in the future.
Jeff and Jeremy are hard at it to get a lot of details relating to their new Club concept and their plans to get a course in the ground worked out in a surprisingly short time. I think they understand the importance of having a reasonable presentation for the Club at tomorrow night's meeting so that we have a fair idea of what and who we are approving.
The SDGA is also prepared to move ahead on this project and will if that's how it goes. Personally I think this is a unique and rare opportunity to let something we've spoken of for years finally happen.
The first element of the SDGA's commitment to foster the development of Jeff and Jeremy's project at Camp Sekani took place on the day the SDGA Membership passed the initiative. The money raised at the various fundraisers for Sekani was turned over to the DGU from the SDGA account.
Now the second leg of support will be carried out. The eligible SDGA members who elected to have their 2012 SDGA Membership dues returned in order to support the new Disc Golf Service Organization will begin receiving their refunds as soon as this coming weekend. The DGU will be supplied with a list of these individuals so that they may work with them directly to receive their support.

Neither Jeff nor I were told about this meeting or presentation. I just found it on this site today, 9 days later, so by saying you think that we understand the importance of this, you actually mean to say that by posting this post the day before this meeting you hope that we haven't been notified and don't show up. Well happy to oblige and I hope we can do it again someday. We look forward to getting the next check from the SDGA:laughing: Your professionalism should be modeled throughout the country Gordy.:slapface:

[Yoduh]

If an actual list had been presented at some point in the last 7 months then this post might have some merit. Our club is building a course and membership if you need a clearer picture of who and what our club is than think of some other flowery words to describe a club that does that and put them here...

[Yoduh]

As you can tell the SDGA obviously goes right "by the book" as Leslie stated previously..

[Gordy #21004]

There were 5 eligible SDGA Members for the refund. 4 got theirs last weekend. The 5th is a member of Jeff's family so I will give it to Jeff when I give him the list. Gordy #21004

[Rapid Fire Jack]

Jeremy, I've been following this discourse silently from the sidelines with interest, but would like to toss out a few comments as food for thought. I thought it was very clear that I needed to decide BEFORE voting in the SDGA election if I wanted my 2012 membership payment to go to the new valley club instead. Seems that most people chose to vote and keep their SDGA membership at least for the time being. That does not preclude them from supporting the new DGU as well. There are several SDGA members who have also supported the North Idaho Disc Golf Club by purchasing a membership, for which I thank them. I am a NIDGC member who chose to support the SDGA as well. Sekani has many people excited, and I would think many would opt to support your efforts there - either with membership in your new club, or even more importantly by rolling up their sleeves and lending a hand with the extensive work that is needed to install a new course. Yes there were only a handful of people who opted to jump on board with your fledgling club with their 2012 membership fees, put try to put it into perspective: the SDGA committed to contribute $1800 toward baskets for your new course. That is equivalent to the funds from 90 annual memberships! In my book that is pretty generous. It won't be that long and it will be time for 2013 memberships, and everyone can choose where they want to place their support. I think that the course at Sekani is an exciting development, but the acrimony, sarcasm and antagonistic verbage that I read from the Disc Golf Uprising gives me pause about getting involved with your club. A more conciliatory approach might generate a more favorable response for you. Something to think about if you truly want to grow your base of support for the betterment of the DGU and the development of Sekani.

[General Scales]

Jeremy, I've been following this discourse silently from the sidelines with interest, but would like to toss out a few comments as food for thought. I thought it was very clear that I needed to decide BEFORE voting in the SDGA election if I wanted my 2012 membership payment to go to the new valley club instead. Seems that most people chose to vote and keep their SDGA membership at least for the time being. That does not preclude them from supporting the new DGU as well. There are several SDGA members who have also supported the North Idaho Disc Golf Club by purchasing a membership, for which I thank them. I am a NIDGC member who chose to support the SDGA as well. Sekani has many people excited, and I would think many would opt to support your efforts there - either with membership in your new club, or even more importantly by rolling up their sleeves and lending a hand with the extensive work that is needed to install a new course. Yes there were only a handful of people who opted to jump on board with your fledgling club with their 2012 membership fees, put try to put it into perspective: the SDGA committed to contribute $1800 toward baskets for your new course. That is equivalent to the funds from 90 annual memberships! In my book that is pretty generous. It won't be that long and it will be time for 2013 memberships, and everyone can choose where they want to place their support. I think that the course at Sekani is an exciting development, but the acrimony, sarcasm and antagonistic verbage that I read from the Disc Golf Uprising gives me pause about getting involved with your club. A more conciliatory approach might generate a more favorable response for you. Something to think about if you truly want to grow your base of support for the betterment of the DGU and the development of Sekani.

:yay: Spoken like a true gentlemen. Good post Jack. Well thought out and worded.

[Yoduh]

Jeremy, I've been following this discourse silently from the sidelines with interest, but would like to toss out a few comments as food for thought. I thought it was very clear that I needed to decide BEFORE voting in the SDGA election if I wanted my 2012 membership payment to go to the new valley club instead. Seems that most people chose to vote and keep their SDGA membership at least for the time being. That does not preclude them from supporting the new DGU as well. There are several SDGA members who have also supported the North Idaho Disc Golf Club by purchasing a membership, for which I thank them. I am a NIDGC member who chose to support the SDGA as well. Sekani has many people excited, and I would think many would opt to support your efforts there - either with membership in your new club, or even more importantly by rolling up their sleeves and lending a hand with the extensive work that is needed to install a new course. Yes there were only a handful of people who opted to jump on board with your fledgling club with their 2012 membership fees, put try to put it into perspective: the SDGA committed to contribute $1800 toward baskets for your new course. That is equivalent to the funds from 90 annual memberships! In my book that is pretty generous. It won't be that long and it will be time for 2013 memberships, and everyone can choose where they want to place their support. I think that the course at Sekani is an exciting development, but the acrimony, sarcasm and antagonistic verbage that I read from the Disc Golf Uprising gives me pause about getting involved with your club. A more conciliatory approach might generate a more favorable response for you. Something to think about if you truly want to grow your base of support for the betterment of the DGU and the development of Sekani.

With the way the money has been rolling in from the SDGA so far that $1,800 that is due to be paid to DGU seems far from likely. Saying your club will be cut a check in March and then in August deciding that each individual will start getting individual checks builds zero confidence. I don't want to deal with any of this crap. I want to build a new course and begin pursuing the next one. I am not even a DGU spokesperson. I am an interested party of the disc golf community that wants to get a new course in the ground as soon as possible. The sarcasm is from a long line of crap being streamed from the other side..Don't like it. Maybe you can intervene. Their "by the book mentality" seems to be written and twisted like lawyers. It takes forever, nothing seems to follow what it was supposed to be, and is quite unproductive. That's why we are approaching the next membership year thinking we may finally receive some money for the previous year. Of course we aren't going to get what was promised but we'll just tow the line anyway. keep our heads down and not say a word, your humble course builders :explode:

[Yoduh]

Bottom line, The SDGA is un-willing to write a $200ish check for membership money due to DGU and somehow DGU is supposed to count on and be thankful for $1,800 that is supposed to be given to them after everything is paid for and put in the ground? Insert smart a$$ comment here.. :yay:

[psychodwarf]

Bottom line, The SDGA is un-willing to write a $200ish check for membership money due to DGU and somehow DGU is supposed to count on and be thankful for $1,800 that is supposed to be given to them after everything is paid for and put in the ground? Insert smart a$$ comment here.. :yay:

again Mr Thorton read the member int a few posts up... if you have not already seen it then it goes like this...
"3. Once the DGU has an organization specific bank account the monies raised prior to this agreement
for Camp Sekani, held by the SDGA, will be transferred to the DGU.
4. Any 2012 SDGA members who wish to get their membership fee returned in order to support the
DGU may do so prior to exercising their SDGA voting rights.
Article C. The SDGA will support DGU by sponsoring four (4) baskets on the first course they install.
Upon notification from DGU that basket installation will commence on a given date, the SDGA will issue
a check not to exceed $450 toDGU for the cost of each of the four (4) sponsored baskets.
With the adoption of the motion above by the SDGA’s Membership and its approval by the SDGA Board...

ALL membership monies was to GO back to the members who wanted to join the DGU no where in here does it say DGU WILL get the money .. again read bob`s post with the members int...

B.T.W
NOONE from either club signed the member int .....????? so PLEASE think ...

[Yoduh]

Thanks for clearing that up Joe. I have talked to several who were at that meeting and the agreement was supposed to be that those who wanted their money forwarded to DGU could do so. There was an awful big spout on the reason that this hadn't happened was because the DGU didn't have an account. Why is it almost 7 months later and people are finally starting to get refunds? It's time to start collecting for next year so I guess the club misses out a bit. Oh well. SO by this agreement if we set a date to have the baskets installed by then the SDGA will issue a check to DGU? Seems simple to me. My fingers are crossed. Concrete pads will be poured on August 20th. All day. Any who have that Monday morning or evening or all day to come help will be welcome to show up and much appreciated!