Global throwdown

[LJ Jubner]

I thought this ah it's own thread. Well it does now.
As someone who was privy to the conversation about Global Throw down.

It was my understanding
That Justin was going to run this event for the SDGA? There was no financial risk to be taken Justin that the club would underwrite the event. To that end

the SDGA was going to make it easier by providing start up capitol of $1000 to be used in support for said event.

At the conclusion of the event Justin would remit any Players Pack items, receipts and cash back to the club.

Seems pretty simple to me

[jshrack]

I thought this ah it's own thread. Well it does now.
As someone who was privy to the conversation about Global Throw down.

It was my understanding
That Justin was going to run this event for the SDGA? There was no financial risk to be taken Justin that the club would underwrite the event. To that end

the SDGA was going to make it easier by providing start up capitol of $1000 to be used in support for said event.

At the conclusion of the event Justin would remit any Players Pack items, receipts and cash back to the club.

Seems pretty simple to me

Yes it does seem simple. :cheers:

Gordy asked me for my financials this evening and I told him I would be happy to provide them to the board.

He also asked for any extra cash and discs from the tournament. Again, not the slightest bit of an issue.

In return, I did ask for a copy of the terms of the agreement.
I am being held financially accountable for the tourney funds, no qualms there.
All I ask is that the terms are written out so that I am not held accountable for anything beyond what was agreed to.

This alleviates any future misunderstandings and keeps both parties fully accountable.

[Gordy #21004]

I submitted a set of terms to the Board this week to help the SDGA and Justin finish up their business with the Global Tournament. Justin, the terms are identical to what you offered when we spoke at the last meeting we had. Its also consistent with what you have offered here. My feeling is that The SDGA comes out as well as it could have expected and I urge the Board to approve the agreement and forward it to you. I can go over it with you in person if you want to get a jump on it . I believe that it reflects what you have said you want to do and it will help put the SDGA store back in business. Thanks, Gordy.

[jshrack]

I'm sorry for any mis-understanding.
I am NOT asking for terms to be written up.

I made the mistake of getting frustrated after making my original proposal.
My proposal was changed and I expressed my dissatisfaction with the process.
I made a point of leaving the meeting and not agreeing to the terms Gordy and Jaymie were trying to dictate.
Then, at SCC, Gordy announced that the money was a donation from the SDGA upon presenting me the check.

I AM asking for a copy of the terms that were already written up.
Both the club and I deserve to keep any terms that were previously agreed to... it seems like this is the only ethical option.

[Gordy #21004]

You asked for terms. We're giving you terms. The terms we offer are the terms you offer yourself......At the Club meeting when you applied for over $4200 to conduct the Global the Club balked but agreed to support the event to the tune of $1025 plus the $125 for the PDGA sanction and insurance. There was no agreement except for the Members voting to support the event to that extent. We know that there is nothing you signed to receive that support except for the check itself. All that the Club asks for in return is exactly what you propose yourself; the balance of the cash($400) and the leftover discs (60 discs). The only unethical conclusion is that you keep all this for yourself. Bottom line this is just another example of those who are willing to take the generosity of the Club and stick it back in their face. Thanks for the expensive lesson in who not to recognize as a man.

[Parks]

Shit just got real.

[jshrack]

Hmm...
The check was presented to me as a donation from the SDGA.
I don't think this was the intent but it was announced and presented in this manner.

Either way, I would prefer to reference the original documentation that was compiled at the meeting.
I hope this information will help clear up an misunderstandings that have resulted from private conversations or the individual Board Member's perspectives.

I would also ask for the personal attacks to cease... they are really getting old.

[Stimpi]

Hmm...


Either way, I would prefer to reference the original documentation that was compiled at the meeting.


Lyle, being the secretary, should have that information in the minutes of that meeting. How about it, Lyle?

[General Scales]

Shit just got real.

I had to put my boots on. That's how real shit just got.

[coryreu]

Just a few questions for you Justin.
Were you thinking that the board would take over and totally re-write your proposal after you left the meeting upset? Doesn't that seem a little selfish?
Is this the type of document from the original meeting you need to see in order to settle up?
Even if there was this type of an original document, it wouldn't have been the same as your proposal. You got mad about changes then, so why would it be believable that it would meet your satisfaction now?
Are you looking for a piece of paper that is signed and dated by the board to prove the check wasn't a donation? If there was one, you would have had it before you received a check. I'm pretty sure it was intended to be given to you in good faith to pay it back. You can claim that there was a misunderstanding. But, and I'm not saying this to demean you in any way, but I think you made a poor judgement call in simply taking the money with no questions asked. Why would the club give a thousand dollar donation for a tournament? Tournaments are used as a way to raise some money for the club, not give it away.
If you don't want to give back any of the money, you may want to think about showing some generosity by giving some discs to the club.

[jshrack]

I would prefer to see the documentation so that I can give the discs and funds to the club in an appropriate and documented manner.

If this was a donation, as stated, I would prefer to make a donation in return.

If it was just a start-up loan, I will be happy to work within the prescribed guidelines to repay it.

[Stimpi]

I would prefer to see the documentation so that I can give the discs and funds to the club in an appropriate and documented manner.

If this was a donation, as stated, I would prefer to make a donation in return.

If it was just a start-up loan, I will be happy to work within the prescribed guidelines to repay it.

Pretty cheezy is all I can say.
Justin. I have very little respect for the way you do things.

[psychodwarf]

I would prefer to see the documentation so that I can give the discs and funds to the club in an appropriate and documented manner.

If this was a donation, as stated, I would prefer to make a donation in return.

If it was just a start-up loan, I will be happy to work within the prescribed guidelines to repay it.

so what you are saying then justin all the disc`s i bought from you was NOT going to help the club ? I was at that meeting when you asked for the club to give you the money for the throwdown now you are saying YOU ARE NOT going to give the club back what they gave you ? nice way of cheating the club....

[coryreu]

What are you going to do if there is no documentation?

[coryreu]

If it was just a start-up loan, I will be happy to work within the prescribed guidelines to repay it.

What prescribed guidelines? Wouldn't the terms that Gordy wrote up be considered guidelines?

[coryreu]

Put your money where your mouth is.

[tomw]

Gordy #21004You asked for terms. We're giving you terms

Stimpi=Pretty cheezy is all I can say.
Justin. I have very little respect for the way you do things

psychodwarf=nice way of cheating the club.

coryreu=Put your money where your mouth is

LJ Jubner=As someone who was privy to the conversation about Global Throw down,SDGA was going to make it easier
Parks = Shit just got real.

TERMS= requirements as to conditions, to persuade (someone)to enter into an agreement, to define.
jshrack="I prefer to reference the original documentation that was compiled"
at the meeting
Show all some terms of agreement. I think that they are out there somewhere?? Lots of members very concerned about this, some terms may actually help this problem be resolved. My 2cents worth, TW

[BakederThinU]

you would think in a loan situation of any type something would be documented and signed by both parties?
at least I would I mean business is business and with out documentation what do you have?
I'm not defending or picking sides I'm just saying

[Yoduh]

Very well put. There should be concrete terms written out and signed so that both partys know what the terms are. Our club has provided a disc golf loan for golfers to go to the USDGC. They had enough forsight to write the loan out on a piece of paper to have all party's sign it. Business wise this is OPTIMAL!

[Stimpi]

Very well put. There should be concrete terms written out and signed so that both partys know what the terms are. Our club has provided a disc golf loan for golfers to go to the USDGC. They had enough forsight to write the loan out on a piece of paper to have all party's sign it. Business wise this is OPTIMAL!

We've been running tournaments for years, with different directors, and none have needed a written agreement until now.
Plus, until now, ALL the events that the club has sponsored have been repaid and more money added to the club.
I guess this is why Justin's response is so shocking. We've never given money to someone lacking so much integrity that we have to resort to belittling tactics to get him to step up and even be accountable.
I suspect there will be ironclad written terms from now on, at least to the directors that we haven't tested yet.

[Simmeltron]

Well I don't fully understand it... but from the way I see it I guess nobody is fully in the clear as far as the way this went down.

While it may never have needed to be the case in the past to have written and signed terms before payment, it apparently should be the case to avoid ugly situations like this.

SDGA, bad judgement call entrusting such a significant amount of money to a person who is either: a: too immature or irresponsible to handle money wisely, or b: too shady to be honest and do the right thing with it. or c: what is it Justin??? I want to give you the benefit of the doubt but I cannot understand why you seem to be skirting around the issue and don't repay the loan or give back the remaining money/merch.

Justin, what the heck man? It is more than obvious the club never simply GAVE the money away for the tournament with ZERO expectation of getting anything in return. That is ludacris. If I accepted a check for one THOUSAND dollars, I would have been damn sure what the club expected in return, whether there was a written agreement or not. What they DID expect in return is unfortunately up for debate, as this thread has apparently indicated.

But how about you man up and at least give the discs and remaining money (and receipts?) back to the club as any person deserving respect should, we document what you returned, and we go from there. Or do you not even have any money/discs left?? I just don't understand what series of events could have lead to this. :headbang:

[Simmeltron]

Further, the very first two posts should have put this whole issue to rest.

At the conclusion of the event Justin would remit any Players Pack items, receipts and cash back to the club.

Seems pretty simple to me
YES IT DOES.

Gordy asked me for my financials this evening and I told him I would be happy to provide them to the board.

He also asked for any extra cash and discs from the tournament. Again, not the slightest bit of an issue.
So, are you going to follow through with this so this ugly situation can begin to be put to rest???????

[jshrack]

I am asking to see the prescribed agreement made between the Global TD and the SDGA.

Since I was not part of this agreement but was presented with the funds, upon taking over the tourney, I would like a copy of the terms.

This alleviates any future misunderstandings and keeps both parties fully accountable.

[coryreu]

I would prefer to see the documentation so that I can give the discs and funds to the club in an appropriate and documented manner.

If this was a donation, as stated, I would prefer to make a donation in return.

If it was just a start-up loan, I will be happy to work within the prescribed guidelines to repay it.

You're asking to see the document. Ok. We get it. There isn't one. You would have already gotten it.
Now without one, I'd be curious to see if you are willing to do what you prefer to do and give a donation. I'd also be curious to see how generous a donation you would prefer to give in comparison to the one you received.

[Yoduh]

We've been running tournaments for years, with different directors, and none have needed a written agreement until now.
Plus, until now, ALL the events that the club has sponsored have been repaid and more money added to the club.
I guess this is why Justin's response is so shocking. We've never given money to someone lacking so much integrity that we have to resort to belittling tactics to get him to step up and even be accountable.
I suspect there will be ironclad written terms from now on, at least to the directors that we haven't tested yet.

I completely understand. I was told by several people that at the country cup, Gordy handed him a check and said it was a donation. I heard it was kind of a big presentation. I don't know for sure cause I couldn't quite make that one. Now I'm sure that if he did say this, that he mistakenly said it, but I don't know how Justin would know this. He obviously didn't mean to say it.. I am hoping that Justin will repay whatever he can. The club needs the resources as we move forward.
Written terms should be given whenever money is lent. This is in case legal action needs to be sought. A written agreement is between two party's, the SDGA and one other person. The agreement that was written to lend money to the USDGC reps would not hold water in court. Lucky for us, we lent money to good people who will pay us back!

[jshrack]

The Treasurer of the SDGA made a drunken speech and donated $1000 of the club's money to a 'B' tier tourney.

Months later he decides to run smear campaigns against those who would see his 'power death-grip' removed.

Thankfully, I am more than happy to take on Gordy's wrath. He can get up in my face again, call me more names, and continue to insult my character.... all part of his script.
I am not the first he has attempted to bully out of this club.
Hell, he can even continue to put words in my mouth but until he is willing to own up to his own comments I am not concerned.


According to my financials and me:
I retained ~$350 in funds.
I also have 53 discs with a retail value of approximately $800.

From the beginning, I said that I WILL return the remaining 'Global funds' to the SDGA. I also stated that I will transfer the discs I have boxed up from the tourney.
Please quit assuming or implying otherwise.

I have asked for pertinent financial documentation involved with returning these items.
If you were repaying a loan and your bank insisted they lost an important document, wouldn't you be similarly wary?

[tomw]

The Treasurer of the SDGA made a drunken speech and donated $1000 of the club's money to a 'B' tier tourney.

Months later he decides to run smear campaigns against those who would see his 'power death-grip' removed.

Thankfully, I am more than happy to take on Gordy's wrath. He can get up in my face again, call me more names, and continue to insult my character.... all part of his script.
I am not the first he has attempted to bully out of this club.
Hell, he can even continue to put words in my mouth but until he is willing to own up to his own comments I am not concerned.


According to my financials and me:
I retained ~$350 in funds.
I also have 53 discs with a retail value of approximately $800.

From the beginning, I said that I WILL return the remaining 'Global funds' to the SDGA. I also stated that I will transfer the discs I have boxed up from the tourney.
Please quit assuming or implying otherwise.

I have asked for pertinent financial documentation involved with returning these items.
If you were repaying a loan and your bank insisted they lost an important document, wouldn't you be similarly wary?


Parks="Shit just got real"
Now i see "this is the real shit" :shocked:Hmmm, TW