2012 smoking policy

[Scott]

http://www.pdga.com/announcements/2012-smoking-policy

[mazza]

as a smoker. i like the ideal.

[Mikk]

I totaly agree. If we the PDGA members wish for the sport to grow, then tobacco use must go away. I am a smoker and I do need to quit, its just plain stupid.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Once again the PDGA leads the way and sets a good example for the young people. It's not ok to drink, smoke, or toke after the 2 minute warning. (unless you hide out in a predetermined area) Which of course then means it IS ok to do all of the above PRIOR to the 2 minute warning. (and don't forget you get to hide out somewhere on the course and do it.) :slapface:

Bob:cheers:

[Wes Hansen]

As a chain smoker during slow play, it was going to take this to make me stop.
It won't be easy, but I agree 100%.

[ChUcK]

A quote from that policy:

"PDGA 2012 Majors are the only tournaments that this policy applies to. They are as follows: Pro/Am World Championships, U.S. Amateur National Championships, Stockholm Open, U.S. Masters Championship, U.S. Women’s Championship, PDGA Championship, and the USDGC."

[Scott]

As a chain smoker during slow play, it was going to take this to make me stop.
It won't be easy, but I agree 100%.

Planning on playing a lot of majors next year?

[Wes Hansen]

Planning on playing a lot of majors next year?


Planning on saying something snide each time I post?
I have some of Sam's soup I'll send to you.

[Chuck Kennedy]

One would think for consistency of image that the non-smoking restriction should extend to tournament staff, officials and spotters between the 2-minute warning and the end of the round. That might be difficult to uphold in the heart of tobacco country where the Worlds will be hosted next year. And for tee time start rounds, I presume that means no smoking all day by any player once the first group tees off except at designated puff points?

[Toby Puttzinski]

What about chewin' tobaccer? Will we start to see less cig butts and more spit around the tee areas?

I'd assume e-cigs would be included in this ban.

Bob, do you expect the PDGA to police what goes on outside of said 'competition'? I don't think they're sending the message that they condone these habits. Where would you suggest they draw the line?

[chris7graham]

Planning on saying something snide each time I post?
I have some of Sam's soup I'll send to you.

:laughing:

["Over the Hill" Bob]

What about chewin' tobaccer? Will we start to see less cig butts and more spit around the tee areas?

I'd assume e-cigs would be included in this ban.

Bob, do you expect the PDGA to police what goes on outside of said 'competition'? I don't think they're sending the message that they condone these habits. Where would you suggest they draw the line?

I would draw the line at: from the time you step into Tournament Central, or onto the course. I'm a smoker and willing to forgo having that smoke if it indeed sends a clear message that the PDGA does not condone it. IMHO

Bob

[Rebecca]

What about chewin' tobaccer? Will we start to see less cig butts and more spit around the tee areas?

I'd assume e-cigs would be included in this ban.

Bob, do you expect the PDGA to police what goes on outside of said 'competition'? I don't think they're sending the message that they condone these habits. Where would you suggest they draw the line?

It does apply to chewing tobacco and e-cigs. :). No spit cups or bottles.

[all2common]

It does apply to chewing tobacco and e-cigs. :). No spit cups or bottles.

Then shouldn't it be a tobacco policy instead of a non-smoking policy?

[Bruce]

This frustrates me actually. Sure I smoke and I make efforts to be respectful of those around me, but unless it is against some actual law who is to tell me where I can and can't smoke? Chewing is perfectly legit in baseball (last I looked into it) as is smoking in PGA play. The reason you don't see it on t.v. is because the television companies aren't allowed to show it. But what do I know!

[Rebecca]

This frustrates me actually. Sure I smoke and I make efforts to be respectful of those around me, but unless it is against some actual law who is to tell me where I can and can't smoke? Chewing is perfectly legit in baseball (last I looked into it) as is smoking in PGA play. The reason you don't see it on t.v. is because the television companies aren't allowed to show it. But what do I know!

Chewing or tobacco of any kind is not allowed during baseball - hence all the sunflower seeds you see being spit.
Also, PGA uses the same policy (where the PDGA policy originated from) no smoking or tobacco of any kind in the public eye regardless whether it's on tv or not.

This is for PDGA Majors only so there isn't any reason to be upset.

[Rebecca]

Then shouldn't it be a tobacco policy instead of a non-smoking policy?

And yes, you're exactly right- it should be tobacco free policy. I'm going to start working on that. :)

[Mr. Anderson]

Chew is allowed in the Major League Baseball (as of right now).... but not in the Minor Leagues.

[Rebecca]

Chew is allowed in the Major League Baseball (as of right now).... but not in the Minor Leagues.

You are correct but since the FDA regulates tobacco now - over 31% of owners have already banned smokeless tobacco. :)

["Over the Hill" Bob]

You are correct but since the FDA regulates tobacco now - over 31% of owners have already banned smokeless tobacco. :)

At what point is it banned? Start of the National Anthem? Anytime the player is on the field? Upon entering the stadium?

Bob

[Chuck Kennedy]

Lonely people buy tickets to the games just to get the "tobacco pat down" at the gate...;)

[Mr. Anderson]

You are correct but since the FDA regulates tobacco now - over 31% of owners have already banned smokeless tobacco. :)

I am not sure, but I do not believe individual owners can ban their players a right they have secured in the collective bargaining system between MLB and the Players Union. Since Disc Golf players do not have a union the rule addition to PDGA Majors can be enacted with no court cases. :) I believe the new rule is a step in the right direction, and I hope more steps will follow.

[Flash]

I am not sure, but I do not believe individual owners can ban their players a right they have secured in the collective bargaining system between MLB and the Players Union. Since Disc Golf players do not have a union the rule addition to PDGA Majors can be enacted with no court cases. :) I believe the new rule is a step in the right direction, and I hope more steps will follow.

I would say that who ever owns the field and compound can arrange any rules they want. Heck they could even prevent sunflower seeds during games if they wanted to.

I can say this, the power of addiction is a force to be reckoned with!!!

[JR Stengele]

I applaud the pdga. I find it selfish to expose others to second hand smoke and the risk even cancer because they feel the need to smoke the ENTIRE round on and off. I get it is addicting and am sad there still are so many who are, but feel that non-smokers should not be subjected to this poison.

[Lyounger]

I'm all in favor of continuing the non-smoking (tobacco use) policy...However I forsee a situation I struggle with at some tourneys getting even worse.

"The motion stated that the PDGA continue the non smoking policy at the PDGA Majors in 2012, from the two minute warning until the time that the scorecard is turned in, except in special areas out of the public eye as designated by the tournament director."

Won't players be more inclined to chainsmoke at tourney central during the player's meeting and up to the two minute warning in order to last the round without tobacco?

I just hope more tournament directors will designate a smoking area near tourny central but ban smoking in the direct vicinity of the meeting and the scoreboard.

I feel very fortunate when I play with considerate golfers who do their very best to extend the current courtesy rule of not allowing their smoke to effect others before and after the round at tourney central.

[Bullseye]

Tourney central at the Beaver State Fling has been smoke-free for the past few years. We put up a number of signs, but it is still hard to constantly enforce those rules. We are trying though.

Jeff


I'm all in favor of continuing the non-smoking (tobacco use) policy...However I forsee a situation I struggle with at some tourneys getting even worse.

"The motion stated that the PDGA continue the non smoking policy at the PDGA Majors in 2012, from the two minute warning until the time that the scorecard is turned in, except in special areas out of the public eye as designated by the tournament director."

Won't players be more inclined to chainsmoke at tourney central during the player's meeting and up to the two minute warning in order to last the round without tobacco?

I just hope more tournament directors will designate a smoking area near tourny central but ban smoking in the direct vicinity of the meeting and the scoreboard.

I feel very fortunate when I play with considerate golfers who do their very best to extend the current courtesy rule of not allowing their smoke to effect others before and after the round at tourney central.

[Scott]

Tourney central at the Beaver State Fling has been smoke-free for the past few years. We put up a number of signs, but it is still hard to constantly enforce those rules. We are trying though.

Jeff

Tourney central was a no smoking area, but hardly smoke free. You just can't teach common sense and courtesy.

[Lyounger]

If designated smoking areas are available instead of creating non-smoking areas it would be much easier to enforce and less confusing to smokers who were trying to follow the rules. No smoking unless you are in a designated area. We could provided benches and approriate butt dispensers. I'd come close to providing free beer if I didn't have to duck away from the smoke all the time!

[Scott]

If designated smoking areas are available instead of creating non-smoking areas it would be much easier to enforce and less confusing to smokers who were trying to follow the rules. No smoking unless you are in a designated area. We could provided benches and approriate butt dispensers. I'd come close to providing free beer if I didn't have to duck away from the smoke all the time!

I just don't know how much it would help. At the BSF, the entire park was designated a smoking section, with only tourney central non-smoking. It didn't seem to be much of a deterent.

[citizens arrest]

Well I guess I'm just going to piss on every tree close to the baskets, so I can mark my territory.

[DMajor]

Happy quit smoking day.

Save your self some cash

http://www.cancer.org/Healthy/StayAwayfromTobacco/GreatAmericanSmokeout/

[Mr. Anderson]

The PDGA is waaaaay ahead of MLB ;)

11/22/11 7:06 PM EST
Highlights of the new Collective Bargaining Agreement include

• Restrictions for the first time on the use of smokeless tobacco on the field or in dugouts. Players are still allowed to chew, but while they're in an area where they can be picked up by a television camera, the protocol now is for them not to have pouches or tins of tobacco visible in their uniform back pockets.