In need of opinions!

[Dust]

New to the forums and the game ive been playing for 3 months now and i am currently carrying in my bag, championship beast, boss pro, and soft focus for my putter. I use my Champion beast for backhand throws and my boss for side arm throws.
I am right handed.

Just so you all know i am 80% a backhand thrower, and 90% of the time when i throw my champion beast it goes perfectly straight.

My question to you guys, for me to throw a disc father what disc should i go for?
I know its mostly in the forum but like i said above 90% of my throws backhand are perfectly straight and eye level not high, low or super curves.

What disc could i put in my bag to help me throw a little farther on how i throw?
I have been trying to throw my backhands as starting off to the right so they come back left.

[Adam Schneider]

Learn to throw backhand too.

[Dust]

Sorry i had my wording wrong i do throw backhand 90% of the time. I throw backhand and then sidearm only when needed.

[Bullseye]

You could probably try out something like a Katana or a Vulcan, but without seeing you throw it is pretty hard to say for sure. They're both high-speed drivers, but not extremely overstable ones.

[sillybizz]

Read this: http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26165

And get rid of the high speed drivers. Start throwing putters and mid ranges, your form will get better and so will you. Also you won't have to unlearn bad habits later on.

[jdinteg]

Read this: http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26165

And get rid of the high speed drivers. Start throwing putters and mid ranges, your form will get better and so will you. Also you won't have to unlearn bad habits later on.

:yay:Great advise Sillybizz, and great link, Thank you! I think all of us need to work on some of this. I have watched Bullseye throw his Roc farther than my best throw with the Vulcan, and he's got over 10 years on me. It is all about technique, and years of practice.

[himynameismatt]

Read this: http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26165

And get rid of the high speed drivers. Start throwing putters and mid ranges, your form will get better and so will you. Also you won't have to unlearn bad habits later on.

^ This is great advice. The Beast is probably too fast for you. Get something like a Leopard, Teebird, or Eagle. As well as learning to throw Putters and Midranges for any shot 300' and under.

Learning to throw your Putters farther will directly correlate to more distance with your drivers. This is because putters require you to put a lot of snap or spin on them for it to travel farther because their less aerodynamic profile doesn't allow them to travel as fast as your drivers.

[emmarose]

it's not always about the disc as many people are saying here... it's really about form and technique... i do throw vulcans and archons because i can get them to go further, but i've been playing for a looooong time and only recently picked up these faster discs... and really, i don't throw them that much further than my t-bird or my valkyrie... so chew on that, play some tournies so you can see a variety of form/technique from better, more experienced golfers... and don't worry so much about distance at this point in your game... it's way more about control and putting it in the fairway and parking your upshots and hitting your putts.

[Scott]

The best tip? Play for longer than 3 months.

Sounds like you're on the right track, but the best secret is that there is no secret. It takes time and practice, practice, practice.

I agree with the others that the high speed drivers should be put on the shelf for now. Focus on form and technique with your putters and midranges.

By the way, welcome to disc golf and welcome to the forum. Have fun!

[Dust]

Thanks everyone for the advice! Maybe anyone recommend a nice mid range? Putter? My putter was a hammy down and its pretty beat. I do have a steady ed blow by 2 thats brand new but i didnt like throwing it.

[Reichard]

Try a Discraft Nuke. They're great discs that work well for both backhands and forehands. They're fast and fade hard so it may take a little getting used to though. I can't throw straight to save my life but most people seem to choose either a Buzz or a Rock for those shots.

Edit: Putters:

IMO most putters are pretty much equal. Find one that fits nicely in your hand with the grip that you like to use then learn it and adjust from there. I prefer beat putters myself. Just because something's old doesn't mean you have to replace it.

[sillybizz]

Try a Discraft Nuke. They're great discs that work well for both backhands and forehands. They're fast and fade hard so it may take a little getting used to though. I can't throw straight to save my life but most people seem to choose either a Buzz or a Rock for those shots.

Edit: Putters:

IMO most putters are pretty much equal. Find one that fits nicely in your hand with the grip that you like to use then learn it and adjust from there. I prefer beat putters myself. Just because something's old doesn't mean you have to replace it.

Are you kidding me? Nuke is the fastest disc or one of the fastest discs on the market. There is no need to throw anything this fast yet. Sorry but you sound like you should be taking some of this advice instead of giving any, no offense. There's a reason you can't throw straight.

Buy a putter that feels good to you, something that isn't too overstable. For a mid you can't go wrong with a Buzzz,Stingray,Roc, etc. something with a neutral flight.

[Scott]

I'm a big leopard fan. TLs are pretty juicy, too.

For putters, you can have more than one. Look for an overstable putter for long approaches (200' and in) and maybe something less overstable for shorter putts. There's a thread somewhere here that talks about the merits of all different types of putters - check it out. It mostly comes down to personal preference.

[runnaman]

IMO: A DX Classic Roc is the perfect putter thrower. They start a little over stable and beat in very straight. Try one of those out.

[Adam Schneider]

For a mid you can't go wrong with a Buzzz,Stingray,Roc, etc. something with a neutral flight.
Stingray doesn't belong in the same list with Buzzz and Roc. The Stingray is a nice disc, but very understable. A Shark or Spider would be more of a "neutral" Innova midrange.

[Reichard]

Are you kidding me? Nuke is the fastest disc or one of the fastest discs on the market. There is no need to throw anything this fast yet. Sorry but you sound like you should be taking some of this advice instead of giving any, no offense. There's a reason you can't throw straight.

Buy a putter that feels good to you, something that isn't too overstable. For a mid you can't go wrong with a Buzzz,Stingray,Roc, etc. something with a neutral flight.

No, not kidding, if you can handle a Boss, go with the Nuke. Oh, and Stingrays don't have a neutral flight. Your turn. . . :jumpspin:

[General Scales]

Drivers: Stay away from them. Start with Mids and Putters. Meteor, Comet, Buzzz, Shark, Stingray. Putters: Aviar, APX, Spike. All of these are easy to throw and definitely don't like Off Axis Torque (OAT). They will teach you what it is to throw flat and that's a BIG deal. When you can throw flat, you can let the disc work for you instead of trying to work the disc. Once you've got that down, move up to some fairway drivers. Leopard, TL, Stalker, Cyclone, etc. Once you can throw these flat and get the disc to do the work for you, then it's on to the maximum distance discs.

Too many people will start out throwing the big boy stuff and then have to unlearn bad technique when they get to a stable or understable disc. If you learn the right way, you can easily progress through the categories and will eventually be beating the pants off the people that did this process in the opposite manner.

One more piece of advice. Avoid getting angry. You are just learning. If you see somebody rip a disc 400 feet, chances are they have been doing this for awhile. Dedication and diligence are your friends. Anger and lack of patience are your worst enemies. Good luck.

[Matt B.]

Are you kidding me? Nuke is the fastest disc or one of the fastest discs on the market. There is no need to throw anything this fast yet. Sorry but you sound like you should be taking some of this advice instead of giving any, no offense. There's a reason you can't throw straight.


I'm not sure the World Champion of The World needs advice from you.

That being said, telling a fairly new player who throws a Beast straight to go right to a Nuke is probably not World Champion level advice.

By the way, am I the only one who wishes Discraft chose a different name for that disc? Is it too politically correct to wish their ad campaign didn't feature a mushroom cloud?

[emmarose]

Thanks everyone for the advice! Maybe anyone recommend a nice mid range? Putter? My putter was a hammy down and its pretty beat. I do have a steady ed blow by 2 thats brand new but i didnt like throwing it.

putter: aviar... i like the ones without a bead altho a lot of people like the big bead version... and i also like them in the r-pro... my putts don't get as many nasty roll aways and spit outs and i think it's because of the grippy, floppy nature of the plastic...

midrange... you're on your own, i throw an eclipse which practically nobody's even heard of... but i hear people love rocs and buzzzes...

good huckin'

[DMajor]

Fill the bag with fairway drivers- teebirds, leopards, eagles, tl's, and firebirds for something overstableish. Get a couple of each in the same weight and plastic take them to the field. They go almost as far as the high speed stuff with a lot more control and a much softer finish.

The best golfer I ever played with gave me the same advice about a year and a half ago and I am just recently getting good with them. My scores are getting lower and the all important 300 foot tunnel shots that used to kill me are now feeling like confident birdie holes.

[Reichard]

I'm not sure the World Champion of The World needs advice from you.

That being said, telling a fairly new player who throws a Beast straight to go right to a Nuke is probably not World Champion level advice.

By the way, am I the only one who wishes Discraft chose a different name for that disc? Is it too politically correct to wish their ad campaign didn't feature a mushroom cloud?

Man, why did ya have to follow me here and go and say that?

Anyway, everyone knows that I am far from a conventional player and in no way should be giving advice because of that. I do feel, however, that forehands are much easier and much more consistant with faster discs regardless of the players skill level. No need to push the end of the charts like with a Force or Nuke OS, just a standard old Nuke works fine.

Most people know that my dog could give better backhand advice than I ever could so I'll leave that one to you guys.

[Matt B.]

Man, why did ya have to follow me here and go and say that?

Anyway, everyone knows that I am far from a conventional player and in no way should be giving advice because of that. I do feel, however, that forehands are much easier and much more consistant with faster discs regardless of the players skill level. No need to push the end of the charts like with a Force or Nuke OS, just a standard old Nuke works fine.

Most people know that my dog could give better backhand advice than I ever could so I'll leave that one to you guys.

This guy is a backhand thrower.

[Reichard]

This guy is a backhand thrower.

Na, he goes both ways =)

[sillybizz]

No, not kidding, if you can handle a Boss, go with the Nuke. Oh, and Stingrays don't have a neutral flight. Your turn. . . :jumpspin:

What is this DGCR now? I'll go there, the trolls are much better and funnier than you are. :seeya:

[The Ombudsman]

I'm not sure the World Champion of The World needs advice from you.

That being said, telling a fairly new player who throws a Beast straight to go right to a Nuke is probably not World Champion level advice.

By the way, am I the only one who wishes Discraft chose a different name for that disc? Is it too politically correct to wish their ad campaign didn't feature a mushroom cloud?
Discrap has a lot of shitty disc names.
Nuke
Stalker
Banger

[General Scales]

The best sidearm disc I have found is a Venom. Too bad Discraft does what it always does with great discs. They build a rabid core following and then discontinue the disc.

With that being said, that's another piece of advice. Throw two off every tee. Screw it, your not in a tournament. Throw as many as you want. The reason I say throw two is so you throw a backhand and a sidearm. Preferably you will have the two discs you throw off the tee as the same mold in the same plastic (same color if your anal). This will progress both aspects of your drive and approach at the same rate. If you come entirely one sided, it becomes incredibly difficult to try and throw the opposite spectrum.

[Dust]

Just played my first day in teh rain and it was awesome! I dont mind rain, we live in the nw for f sakes. I feel like i am in more control. Still learning, and my putters are hitting chains everytime.

[Magilla]

^ This is great advice. The Beast is probably too fast for you. Get something like a Leopard, Teebird, or Eagle. As well as learning to throw Putters and Midranges for any shot 300' and under.

Learning to throw your Putters farther will directly correlate to more distance with your drivers. This is because putters require you to put a lot of snap or spin on them for it to travel farther because their less aerodynamic profile doesn't allow them to travel as fast as your drivers.

If he's throwing his Beast straight then its NOT too fast for him.

I do agree with trying a T Bird (TL would probably be a better start)
The Leopard flies more like a fast midrange, but is a great "purpose" Disc.

The absolute best way to learn a new disc is to stay off the course and just throw in an open field. Try different release angles and just let it fly. :D

As stated earlier...just keep playing. 3 months a a very short time to expect a lot out of your game. Improvement comes with play. When I started playing 20yrs ago I found that playing with better players helped my game improve by leaps and bounds. Watching what they did...asking questions...trying things out on my own.

:cheers:

[RonTheWhip]

By the way, am I the only one who wishes Discraft chose a different name for that disc? Is it too politically correct to wish their ad campaign didn't feature a mushroom cloud?

There has been much discussion on the matter, however, the proof is in the pudding: the Nuke is Discraft's fastest selling driver ever. So perhaps a bit of controversy isn't so bad from a marketing perspective...

dust, a quick way to improve is to ask a skilled player for direct feedback about your form. Contact a local pro and even offer to pay for lessons if you are that serious, they appreciate the support and you'll game will appreciate the lower scores.

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by Matt B.

By the way, am I the only one who wishes Discraft chose a different name for that disc? Is it too politically correct to wish their ad campaign didn't feature a mushroom cloud?

There has been much discussion on the matter, however, the proof is in the pudding: the Nuke is Discraft's fastest selling driver ever. So perhaps a bit of controversy isn't so bad from a marketing perspective...


Well the proof is in the pudding that it's a popular and good disc anyway. I don't think you can go wrong from a marketing standpoint by appealing to the worst parts of human nature, especially in America. I still don't like it, but I'm not a normal American. Back in the 90's when I first started playing I refused to buy all those military plane discs too.

And don't get me started on the stupid Innova cartoon drawings for DX plastic!

[Mikk]

NUKE = :explode:
actualy I like the nuke. Not a disc for beginners tho..

[Dust]

Went and played glenwood after work today and i hit chains from platform on hole nine w/ my soft focus putter. It flew perfectly straight until last second it just touched the chains.

[Rakoz]

Practice, practice, practice.

After 5 years of doing it "the wrong way" I am trying to do it "right" myself. I was gifted with a pretty big sidearm out of the box but did it all wrong. When I switched more to backhand I started wrong but am doing it mostly right now and it's just as big if not bigger and much more accurate and consistent than my sidearm. That took about 2 years. I've been playing with ultralight sharks for the past 3 months and it really did change my driving game. I highly recommend them. After you can make those go left, right, or straight move up to a Valkyrie or Eagle or TL.

Consistency and accuracy are always better than an extra 30-50ft every 3-5 throws. I used to love outdriving everyone on my card "most" of the time; but when I started outdriving people by 50ft and ending up in a bush or behind a tree and had to make a harder shot just to stay even with the other guys the message started to come through. When I realized my "oops, but glad that still worked out ok" shots were costing me 2-3 strokes a round I got serious about re-tooling my driving game.

My sidearm is still longer when I get it right but my backhand is almost as long and almost always in a better spot every time. I like to really let it lose in doubles or on some of the big holes around town but most likely you'll see me throwing backhand for consistency and accuracy these days.

Good luck. Keep practicing. See ya out there.

[Dust]

Thanks! Went and played after work, again i can still throw my discs straight as arrows. And im getting my s turns to do what i want a little more each time.