If Portland were to host the PDGA World's, what would the courses be?

[Etherag]

The current format being used for the PDGA World Championships is to host the tournament on 4, 27 hole courses. Looking over the local courses what 4 do you think would make the best tournament?

Please be responsible in suggestions of location and size. For example Whistler's Bend, although a great course, is too far away for a tournament center of Portland. Many others like Leverich would not have enough room for 27 holes.

My suggestions would be
1) Milo. Obvious as it already has 27 holes and world recognition
2) Hornings. Meadow Ridge and the 9 hole version of Canyon. I would drop hole 1 from Canyon and substitute 13.
3) Pier. Its a well known course for the area and would bring great recognition for the sport due to its in city location. The concern here is fitting another 9 holes in the park would be very tight.
4) Blue Lake park. If and when complete it would have plenty of room. Also the proposed course layout would clearly be a great challenge for a world Championship.

Post your ideas. With two new PDGA board members from Oregon this could be a possibility.

[Uhlman]

I hear Trojan is a course

[Jason Philips]

I would love to see Dabney scrubbed up and setup with an extra 9.

[Scott]

These discussions have already begun. One idea would be to have a host hotel downtown with many courses within 90 minutes (this travel distance is not unprecedented). Courses could include:

Milo East
Milo West
Timber
Dabney
Pier
Trojan
Blue Lake
Stub Stewart
A revamped and rebuilt Hagg Lake.

[sillybizz]

Well if we're going out to 90 minute drives from Portland then Bryant Park would be my #2 just behind Milo as a suitable course for World's near Portland. After that Horning's and Trojan ring a bell.

[General Scales]

Milo. That's the winner there.
Trojan in Oregon State Championship layout.
Stub Stewart
Blue Lake
Hornings

[ryanajanes]

milo
hornings
blue lake or stub
trojan

........future forest park course...........(pipe dream)

[Chuck Kennedy]

I wouldn't think we'll see four 27-hole courses for Worlds again. Women took 6.5 hours to play today and these are pros.

[Scott]

Word on the street is that HH isn't even in consideration because of the baskets.

[Adam Schneider]

Word on the street is that HH isn't even in consideration because of the baskets.
Well that's stupid. Everyone's throwing at the same ones.

[Chuck Kennedy]

Word on the street is that HH isn't even in consideration because of the baskets.
No problem with wedgies...

[olydiscgolf]

Well that's stupid. Everyone's throwing at the same ones.

Sounds like the perfect opportunity for a basket fundraiser!

[Sam]

Milo east
Milo west
Pier
Trojan
Modified Horning's Gold.
Temp course 1 - or course of magnitude and safety of above-mentioned courses
Temp course 2 - or course of magnitude and safety of above-mentioned courses

[XandorF]

Word on the street is that HH isn't even in consideration because of the baskets.

my problem with that is...

you can host a PDGA sanctioned tournament at 'HH', why not worlds? not good enough for worlds? but good enough for playing PDGA tournaments? errrr

and correct me if im wrong please... maybe its just 'X' tiers that have had rated rounds at hornings. but, errr

[Flash]

Would this be a Pro Worlds an Am Worlds or a Combined Worlds?

This matters as Chuck can go into much detail about tailoring the course to the divisions playing. I also am not a fan of 27 holes in a round but I am also not for traveling between courses for two separate 18 hole courses in one day.

Last time I checked major sponsors and community organizers here in Portland have expressed only interest in a combined worlds. So this significantly complicates things. The layout would require courses for Pro, Courses for Am and maybe some overlap.

As an Organizer I would split the event into 2 parts and 2 teams so that each is catered to and feels as though they are attending a world championship. Functionally it would be one team but run by two Directors, one on each side.

I would use these courses for the Pro Side
Milo East
Milo West
Blue Lake
Pier (Bellinger Layout)
Trojan(ODGC Layout)
Timber and Dabney for (older age protected divisions only)

Am side I would use:
Hornings Canyon all longs and some new placements( Bob willing)
Hornings Meadow Ridge modified(Bob willing)
Stub Stewart Orange Course
Stub Stewart White Course(Park willing to allow the second course)
Hagg Lake Modified ( If we could get the approval and team to modify the course)
Pier Standard Layout Longs
Future Forest Grove Course (Junior and Age protect divisions only)

Now back to your other point about now that we have 2 board members on the PDGA. We have had two on board for the last 6 years so I don't really see how this changes things. Its no secret that the PDGA wants us to run a worlds here and it was talked about at the BSF 2011. The issue is who wants to run it, who wants a second unpaid job for 2 years? Why would we want to run a worlds? What would we as a disc golf community get out of it? How many players would actually give up the opportunity to play and volunteer instead?

Answer those questions in this forum and I think you might actually have a chance at seeing a worlds here.

[Bob Horning]

Word on the street is that HH isn't even in consideration because of the baskets.

Where did you hear that, for the baskets are certified by the PDGA as baskets that can be used on any tournament.

[Chuck Kennedy]

The Horning targets are approved at the Championship level suitable for Worlds competition and all levels below.

The next Pro-Am combo Worlds would likely be planned for 2016 if there's a bidder, four years after the Charlotte combo next year in 2012.

[Huk'nGeiks]

I can't imagine what the time commitment would be like for a DG community to host worlds but it would be an AMAZING opportunity and one well worth the effort...

[LegoRules]

I can't imagine what the time commitment would be like for a DG community to host worlds but it would be an AMAZING opportunity and one well worth the effort...

I am hearing from some of the volunteers down here in Santa Cruz that they have been at it for a year and a half to two years.

Cindy

[Tim]

I read somewhere that in preparation for worlds in Charlotte, they're installing 7 new courses in the span of ~2 years. I can't even fathom that level of organization and community support. We're lucky if we get 2 courses in 7 years around here.

[Chuck Kennedy]

Realistically, about 9 courses is enough to host a Pro-Am Worlds.

[Flash]

Where did you hear that, for the baskets are certified by the PDGA as baskets that can be used on any tournament.
First off people don't point the finger at Scott he is just repeating the sentiments that he has heard from other disc golfers about the baskets used at Horning's Hideout.

Bob the concern that I have heard from some players is not that the baskets meet specification but just that they are different from what they are used to. I have also heard complaints about the baskets ability to catch hard puts and allowing more than usual number of spit thrus, bounce offs, and the skip off the upper lip. Baskets made by the top manufacturers allow give on the cage if smacked hard, due to the structure, which will absorb some of the force of the disc and they have nubs on the top surface of the cage that slow a disc down that other wise would hit that surface and normally fly off with a good amount of speed intact. In other words misses on your baskets are more punitive then on the other manufacturers baskets in these people opinions. The baskets are fine and they meet spec but the simple fact is if people don't like something, whether its founded or not, they won't like it no matter what you show them. I think the baskets at Horning's Hideout suffer from an image problem within the disc golf community and the split seems to be about 50/50.

I realize that this post may now put me into the arena of personal attack because I was candid enough to bring to written words what people murmur about this subject but whatever. Disc golfers are picky people, just look at the discussion about plastic types, molds and manufacturers. Does it surprise everyone that baskets would be any less of a heated debated topic.

[Flash]

I read somewhere that in preparation for worlds in Charlotte, they're installing 7 new courses in the span of ~2 years. I can't even fathom that level of organization and community support. We're lucky if we get 2 courses in 7 years around here.

My concern for courses that new would be at what maturity level would they be for worlds. However given the fact that NC has produced more Amateur champions then any other state in the last decade means they also have the player base to make those courses mature in a shorter amount of time.

[sillybizz]

First off people don't point the finger at Scott he is just repeating the sentiments that he has heard from other disc golfers about the baskets used at Horning's Hideout.

Bob the concern that I have heard from some players is not that the baskets meet specification but just that they are different from what they are used to. I have also heard complaints about the baskets ability to catch hard puts and allowing more than usual number of spit thrus, bounce offs, and the skip off the upper lip. Baskets made by the top manufacturers allow give on the cage if smacked hard, due to the structure, which will absorb some of the force of the disc and they have nubs on the top surface of the cage that slow a disc down that other wise would hit that surface and normally fly off with a good amount of speed intact. In other words misses on your baskets are more punitive then on the other manufacturers baskets in these people opinions. The baskets are fine and they meet spec but the simple fact is if people don't like something, whether its founded or not, they won't like it no matter what you show them. I think the baskets at Horning's Hideout suffer from an image problem within the disc golf community and the split seems to be about 50/50.

I realize that this post may now put me into the arena of personal attack because I was candid enough to bring to written words what people murmur about this subject but whatever. Disc golfers are picky people, just look at the discussion about plastic types, molds and manufacturers. Does it surprise everyone that baskets would be any less of a heated debated topic.

Disc Golfers confuse me. In one breathe you say make the baskets harder and the next you say you don't like a certain kind of basket because it's harder to putt in to. It kind of reminds me of the whole "let's make Disc Golf big" argument where people want the sport in the olympics and on ESPN and such. Then when you ask Disc Golfers why they play/like Disc Golf over Golf (ball) it's because the game is cheap, fun, creative and there is no dress code/funny pants or collared shirts requirement which is the opposite of what would happen if the sport went big, but I'll leave that argument for another day...

The baskets at Horning's will not catch sloppy putts as well as a "tradition" basket; isn't that a good thing though? Do we really want to reward someone for throwing as hard as they can at the basket? There is a sweet spot to every basket and there should be a point where a certain speed of the disc hitting the chains will not catch. In Golf (ball) if you hit the ball to hard it will hit the cup and not go in. There is a lot we can learn from Golf (ball) without becoming it.

[weaktit]

So, if HH baskets had nubs they would be more acceptable for a Worlds tourney? OK.
Seems to me if everyone is on the same field, regardless of nubs, the results will be true.
Really, I'd just love to see Worlds in the NW even though I've never played HH........but I will.

[Sean Phillips]

Worlds should have world class courses. Sorry Bob, I don't think your baskets are world class.

This is related to the chief complaint at this year's worlds, not all courses are world class. All the infrastructure, activities, meetings, ect have been world class. Courses, not so much.

[himynameismatt]

My only problem with the Horning's Baskets is that the top 4" of chain don't catch AT ALL. They are a little tight up there a problem that could be alleviated by adding a couple more chain links.

Anyways Portland/Vancouver area is at least 3 courses away from being able to host an event of this magnitude. But Pier, Hornings Gold, and Milo are the only courses that are worthy. Never played the OSDGC layout for Trojan so I can't comment on that. But anyone who said Dabney...:facepalm:

[TreeLove]

The HH chains are "tight" at the top because there are no sliders. Commercial baskets have sliding chain attachments to provide "give" so they will still catch when they are hit too high (above the sweet spot). Bob has modified (improved) his basket design before, and I would not be surprised if he could do it again. I would vote for HH being included in a Worlds. I do not feel that all the courses need to be 27-hole either. And since we are including courses that are 90 minutes out, let's include the mighty Adair Park (more fun to play than Bryant, IMHO, though I might include it, too). I also think I could come up with a fun 18 at Timber Linn, sort of a combination of all the best Calapooia layouts. And what about Waterloo? Is it world class?

So I say:
Milo East
Milo West
Trojan (ORDGC)
Adair
Bryant
Waterloo
Pier
Hornings Ridge (with a few safety and repetition tweaks)
Hornings Canyon (Protected divisions)
Timber (Protected divisions) (with a few safety tweaks)
Dabney (Protected divisions) (with a few safety tweaks)
N Bonneville (Protected divisions) (underrated: not hugely challenging, but respectable and fun)

Blue Lake Park?

I would say we have enough courses, and what we need is a cohesive organizing force, something perhaps combing the collective strength of Stumptown, DGOD, BSF, Next Adventure, WDGC, DG Depot, Huk Lab, Acerbinky, Griplok, Night Riders, Mud Turtle, etc.

And all good Worlds need to have an epic mini course, too, with a tournament!

[JR Stengele]

I too agree Milo, Pier, and HH gold are the three best suited for Worlds. Stub could easily be incorporated as well.

[Bad Finger]

Personally, due to travel distances and time allotments, I would say that a worlds run here in Oregon should go:

Hornings
Stub Stewart
Temporary Course setup at Pumpkin Ridge Golf Course.

This would allow for easy travel between the sites, and a "world class" course in Pumpkin Ridge, the difficulty of Stub, and a course that is rated in the top 10 courses consistantly in HH.

[Scott]

You would have a Worlds in Oregon and NOT include Milo?

Do you have any reason to believe that Pumpkin Ridge would ever consider hosting a disc golf event?

[NWDiscer]

Personally, due to travel distances and time allotments, I would say that a worlds run here in Oregon should go:

Hornings
Stub Stewart
Temporary Course setup at Pumpkin Ridge Golf Course.

This would allow for easy travel between the sites, and a "world class" course in Pumpkin Ridge, the difficulty of Stub, and a course that is rated in the top 10 courses consistantly in HH.



:slapface: gotta luv westside newbies :whistler:

:laughing:

[Bad Finger]

You would have a Worlds in Oregon and NOT include Milo?

Do you have any reason to believe that Pumpkin Ridge would ever consider hosting a disc golf event?

Answer to #1, yes, leave Milo off the list. It already hosts the BSF and shouldn't be used twice in a year. The PGA doesn't, so why should we? It is flat, not that difficult, and overplayed. There isn't any businesses near it that could benefit from hosting a tournament there, and for that reason wouldn't get many sponsorships.

Answer to #2: Money. Get enough sponsors, and ANY golf course will rent be it Pumpkin Ridge, The Reserve, or any other great course. Just ask the rest of the country, renting out ball golf courses is "par" for holding disc tournaments.

[Bad Finger]

:slapface: gotta luv westside newbies :whistler:

:laughing:

Yah, newbies. Love em. Hahah. Even better to call new members around these parts Newbies and point fingers in a "ever loving fun way that is in no way meant to make them feel lesser than the other members who have been around these boards longer".


Ahh.....newbs......

[NWDiscer]

Yah, newbies. Love em. Hahah. Even better to call new members around these parts Newbies and point fingers in a "ever loving fun way that is in no way meant to make them feel lesser than the other members who have been around these boards longer".


Ahh.....newbs......



yep im a dik :( :shocked:

who has nothing better to do than belittle New discers that feel things should be done for them "personally".....

Personally, due to travel distances and time allotments, I would say that a worlds run here in Oregon should go:


have a nice day :seeya:

[NWDiscer]

Answer to #1, yes, leave Milo off the list. It is flat, not that difficult.



:slapface: so you shoot under 60 at Milo quite often then... :laughing::rolleyes2:

:chinscratch: :evilgrin:

[Bad Finger]

:slapface: so you shoot under 60 at Milo quite often then... :laughing::rolleyes2:

:chinscratch: :evilgrin:

You didn't read my first reason, now did you?

I have been playing disc golf for 2 years now. I feel I play quite well for the amount of time put into this sport, although I do not shoot 60 at milo.

I came to this website due to someone at the Stumptown DG club meeting saying it was a great way to make new friends, catch up on the new tourneys and leagues, and get to know the community. Since being here, I've seen more people be belittled and shunned than accepted.

All I did was put up an answer to a question and seemed to be berated for giving my opinion.

As for being a westide newb? Besides Scott, I was the only "westsider" who attended the last Stumptown meeting.

I continually hear from these boards how disc golf is striving to be widely accepted by the world of sports, wanting professional sponsorships, community acceptance and a professional atmosphere, yet it doesn't seem any of the powers that be are trying to create these things in the same manner other sports do.

I have yet to see a sport shun new players at the rate the disc golf community in Oregon does.

[NWDiscer]

Answer to #1, yes, leave Milo off the list. It already hosts the BSF and shouldn't be used twice in a year. The PGA doesn't, so why should we? It is flat, not that difficult, and overplayed. There isn't any businesses near it that could benefit from hosting a tournament there, and for that reason wouldn't get many sponsorships.




ok so heres your whole 1st response

#1 "The PGA doesn't"... so what we are not ball golf....and to not use 1 of the Top 5 courses in the WORLD.... oh wait thats right the 12X World Champion said it was in his Top 3...:slapface:


im skipping a reason for #2 see above
"It is flat, not that difficult, and overplayed."


#3 "There isn't any businesses near it that could benefit from hosting a tournament there, and for that reason wouldn't get many sponsorships"...

oh yea my bad that is right they never get any sponsors for the BSF......

again i will go back to being a dik and you have a nice day :p


Answer to #2: Money. Get enough sponsors, and ANY golf course will rent be it Pumpkin Ridge, The Reserve, or any other great course. Just ask the rest of the country, renting out ball golf courses is "par" for holding disc tournaments.


go ahead and check with either of those course and see what it would cost to "CLOSE" those courses for over a week.....to all there members.

[NWDiscer]

Personally, due to travel distances and time allotments, I would say that a worlds run here in Oregon should go:



so its ok for you to state your opinion, but not any1 else to have a rebuttal to it.....:pullhair:

All I did was put up an answer to a question and seemed to be berated for giving my opinion.

im sorry to have put your panties in a bunch over my statement in regards to your "opinion" i will no longer respond to anything you post cause i would hate to hurt your feelings anymore. :puke:

[Bruce]

Bad Finger, typically speaking, the region hosting worlds doesn't have an NT that year. Take Santa Cruz for example this year, they did not host the yearly NT event so they could prepare for worlds. Blue Lake will be a GREAT central location for worlds, host hotels near by, the airport what 10-15 minutes away? Milo within 40 minutes, Pier within 40 minutes, Trojan a little over an hour away. As far as a central location goes I, and others believe it will be amazing when the course goes in. And while I appreciate what Bob has done for Hornings, and what Flash and Stumptown have done for Stub Stewart, in there current form I do not believe they are world class courses.

[Darr]

Anyone who says Milo is not that difficult, but doesn't play well there obviously has it all figured out lol :slapface:

[lankdogg]

I guess when Ken Climo says Milo is one of his favorite courses in the world, what he's really saying is it's not that difficult, and we should not consider using it in world's.... Lol, whatever dude. Of all the courses we should consider, Milo tops the list...NO Brainer.

[dooley]

I guess when Ken Climo says Milo is one of his favorite courses in the world, what he's really saying is it's not that difficult, and we should not consider using it in world's.... Lol, whatever dude. Of all the courses we should consider, Milo tops the list...NO Brainer.

I just got back from the Worlds and was thinking we could get this done up here before i played my last round.We have the courses or will soon and our disc golf family is getting bigger and stronger all the time.They did a good job but I think we could do better.We do not need 4 27 hole courses.just good solid 18s and a lot of organization and commitment.

[himynameismatt]

I watched the Final 9 at Worlds and have to say I was thoroughly unimpressed with that setup. It's arguably the most prestigious event in disc golf and the final card is teeing off of grass / dirt throwing at temp baskets with wheels still on em. That just kinda killed it for me.

[Matt B.]

First off people don't point the finger at Scott he is just repeating the sentiments that he has heard from other disc golfers about the baskets used at Horning's Hideout.

Bob the concern that I have heard from some players is not that the baskets meet specification but just that they are different from what they are used to. I have also heard complaints about the baskets ability to catch hard puts and allowing more than usual number of spit thrus, bounce offs, and the skip off the upper lip. Baskets made by the top manufacturers allow give on the cage if smacked hard, due to the structure, which will absorb some of the force of the disc and they have nubs on the top surface of the cage that slow a disc down that other wise would hit that surface and normally fly off with a good amount of speed intact. In other words misses on your baskets are more punitive then on the other manufacturers baskets in these people opinions. The baskets are fine and they meet spec but the simple fact is if people don't like something, whether its founded or not, they won't like it no matter what you show them. I think the baskets at Horning's Hideout suffer from an image problem within the disc golf community and the split seems to be about 50/50.

I realize that this post may now put me into the arena of personal attack because I was candid enough to bring to written words what people murmur about this subject but whatever. Disc golfers are picky people, just look at the discussion about plastic types, molds and manufacturers. Does it surprise everyone that baskets would be any less of a heated debated topic.

Worlds would not be played on non-standard baskets, whether they are PDGA approved or not. It's not about whether the baskets catch well or not, or Bob's hard work to make them and get them approved. It's about the players reaction to them, and people spending thousands to travel across the country and world to play in the biggest tournament are not going to accept playing on baskets made of car wheels. Say what you will, that's just the truth.

No reason you couldn't either raise the money to replace the HH baskets for Worlds or just bring baskets in from another course for the week. Delaveaga replaced all 27 baskets for Worlds 2011.

[Matt B.]

I watched the Final 9 at Worlds and have to say I was thoroughly unimpressed with that setup. It's arguably the most prestigious event in disc golf and the final card is teeing off of grass / dirt throwing at temp baskets with wheels still on em. That just kinda killed it for me.

For better or worse I think it had a lot to do with the gallery experience and the broadcast. Three of the nine holes were regular course holes. That course is very tight in spots and also very big and spread out and the crowds and broadcast would probably not have worked anywhere but where they did it. They were still golf holes and golf shots that the players had to make.

[Etherag]

Wow what a lot of great comments and thoughts from the community. My interest in starting the thread was to see what course people thought would be world class to host a PDGA championships. Lots of other comments popped up. There were a few ones that I wanted to give my thoughts on.

I wouldn't think we'll see four 27-hole courses for Worlds again.

I understand that the days were long to play 27 but with over 400 individual participants just for a PRO world championship you need lots of holes to cover the tournament. You could use 18 hole courses but then you would have to have more sites to allow for the same number of competitors.

Word on the street is that HH isn't even in consideration because of the baskets.

I am sure something could be worked out. I never was expecting this to fall into a discussion of are Bob's baskets ok. I am sure for the opportunity to host Worlds on the great courses at HH, some agreement would be reached.

Would this be a Pro Worlds an Am Worlds or a Combined Worlds?

No idea. I would love to see both but would be happy with one. As a spectator who has no chance of playing in either I would prefer the PROs.


Now back to your other point about now that we have 2 board members on the PDGA. We have had two on board for the last 6 years so I don't really see how this changes things.

My comment was more in line with if Portland had a competitive bid we would have a good chance of having support on the board for the bid. I would expect the board to chose whats best for the sport. With two members from Oregon I think they would be excited about showing off the home courses to the world.

The issue is who wants to run it, who wants a second unpaid job for 2 years?

No idea and I wont ever pretend to have the experience to know who is qualified. We have several great tournaments in the state and the local NW area. If the opportunity came up I would hope we would have a few, very qualified candidates.

Why would we want to run a worlds? What would we as a disc golf community get out of it?

Great question and I can only answer from my point of view. 1) Having worlds in our backyard would allow us to see the best of the best playing in a Major tournament. The BSF is world class but ask any ball golfer if he would prefer to see the Masters or the PGA event of the week. 2) A large tournament like this can bring local support. Hotels being full and people coming into town helps get the city's and business communities behind you, which brings in money. Like it or not money brings course improvements, new courses and other benefits. Milo got new baskets this year, would that have happened if the BSF was not hosted there? Blue lake park may be approved quicker if there was a guarantee that a major tournament was coming. What other courses would be improved or created to support this? 3) Volunteer support would increase. I would personally be much more invested in helping out if I was doing it for a reason, such as getting the area ready for a Major.

Do you have any reason to believe that Pumpkin Ridge would ever consider hosting a disc golf event?

I have to agree on this one. I see our chances of using a major course like Pumpkin Ridge as zilch. Just think of the money. In the summer they run tee times for 4 every 10. At $100 per person, and about 10 hours of tee times a day they are making $24,000 a day in greens fees. To use the course we would need it for a week. I don't think the DG community wants to sink almost $200,000 just to use there property. It would be nice to think they would be interested for other reasons but they are a business. One of the smaller courses may be up for it but Pumpkin and the Reserve are not going to do it.

It looks like the consensus is the following

Would be suitable now
Milo
Pier
Trojan in ORDGC configuration

Should be ready if needed
HH, if basket issue was agreed
Blue Lake, (once built)

Could be used but need some issues addressed
Stub Stewart (course needs to be finalized with clean up on back 9, would be hell on any live streaming)
Adair or Bryant (too far? I don't think so)
Hagg lake (Property is nice but course is in terrible shape)
Dabney and Timber (Would need redesigns to make tougher)
Forest Park course (would love it but I have never ever heard of a serious proposal)

Comments?

[Matt B.]

You didn't read my first reason, now did you?

I have been playing disc golf for 2 years now. I feel I play quite well for the amount of time put into this sport, although I do not shoot 60 at milo.

I came to this website due to someone at the Stumptown DG club meeting saying it was a great way to make new friends, catch up on the new tourneys and leagues, and get to know the community. Since being here, I've seen more people be belittled and shunned than accepted.

All I did was put up an answer to a question and seemed to be berated for giving my opinion.

As for being a westide newb? Besides Scott, I was the only "westsider" who attended the last Stumptown meeting.

I continually hear from these boards how disc golf is striving to be widely accepted by the world of sports, wanting professional sponsorships, community acceptance and a professional atmosphere, yet it doesn't seem any of the powers that be are trying to create these things in the same manner other sports do.

I have yet to see a sport shun new players at the rate the disc golf community in Oregon does.

A couple people on a message board flicked you some crap for stating what was objectively a pretty crazy opinion. Relax, it doesn't mean disc golfers in Oregon are shunning new players. It's the internet, perhaps you've heard of it.

Milo would obviously be the centerpiece of a Portland Worlds tournament.

I think Trojan, Blue Lake, Pier, and maybe Timber, Stub Stewart, Hornings would make sense. Timber would need a Worlds layout. Blue Lake would need to be built. Stub would need work. Hornings would need baskets. There's my $.02, I await my shunning.

[blu666z]

........future forest park course...........(pipe dream)

the last thing Forest Park needs is disc course.

[emmarose]

I watched the Final 9 at Worlds and have to say I was thoroughly unimpressed with that setup. It's arguably the most prestigious event in disc golf and the final card is teeing off of grass / dirt throwing at temp baskets with wheels still on em. That just kinda killed it for me.

i thought it was an interesting choice for the final 9 myself because the letter holes at Pinto Lake were some of the easiest and also not the most aesthetically pleasing of holes that we played... however, i was standing near brian graham and overheard him respond to this very point... the holes for the final 9 were chosen by taking into consideration the players, the spectators and the cameras... there would have been absolutely no way on any of the courses that that many people would have been able to follow the action... and even tho those were not the most challenging nor beautiful of holes there was nothing boring or unimpressive about watching those top cards play. and it was great that the hundreds of people who wanted to got to follow all of the action for both the men and women...

[all2common]

Timber would need a Worlds layout.

I hear Bart Yanoch has some pretty nifty ideas.

[Sam]

It is flat, not that difficult, and overplayed.

And the award for Dumbest Thing Ever Said on These Boards goes to....

Bad Finger!!

Were it possible, I would just shun dumb comments. Sadly, they are too often attached to people... and people often too attached to their dumb comments.

It's cool, dude. You are entitled to your (ridiculous and wrong) opinions. :)

[Bruce]

Just have to keep in mind that some people enjoy pitch and putt, and not strategy and or placement golf. Different strokes for different folks. (even if there opinion sucks ;) )

[Sam]

But, but, but... Not that difficult? I guess dude can throw 800'.

My bet... homie's never played that (course) or he would never say such an asinine thing.

[Bullseye]

Let us not forget that everyone is entitled to their opinion. As a devout follower of the Church of Milo I wholeheartedly disagree with what Badfinger said. However, I do not think he deserves to be thrashed for voicing his opinion. He needs to be re-educated. :) I think 10 weekends at Greenway might just be the solution. Mark my words, he'll be begging for some Milo by day three...

Seriously though, ridiculing everyone with an opinion that differs from our own is absurd. I'm a big fan of using respectful tact to convert people, rather than shame and discourage them.

But then again... what do I know.

[LegoRules]

Let us not forget that everyone is entitled to their opinion. As a devout follower of the Church of Milo I wholeheartedly disagree with what Badfinger said. However, I do not think he deserves to be thrashed for voicing his opinion. He needs to be re-educated. :) I think 10 weekends at Greenway might just be the solution. Mark my words, he'll be begging for some Milo by day three...

Seriously though, ridiculing everyone with an opinion that differs from our own is absurd. I'm a big fan of using respectful tact to convert people, rather than shame and discourage them.

But then again... what do I know.

Lots :rockon:

[snap7times]

If Adair and Bryant are being included in discussion then I would present Jerry Miller DGC @ Camp Taloali into the mix because it has so much space and temp design potential plus the lodging, showers, bonfire, and pavillion available there and it's closer to portland than Adair and Bryant by a good 20-30 minutes.
My top choices for courses would be and what work needs to be done
Milo West (Ready to rock)
Milo East (Ready to rock)
Trojan (Tee pads for ORDGC layout)
Pier (Ready)
Horning's Meadow Ridge (Basket change to be consistent with all rounds)
Stubb (Clean up fariways etc)
Jerry Miller DGC (Tee pads)
Adair (Ready to rock, maybe a couple tee pads for tournament layout for festivus, april fool doubles etc)
Bryant (Tee pads)
Blue Lake (Everything to put it in the ground)

Timber and Dabney only if we have Am worlds...

[Scott]

Are Adair and Bryant too far?

[Rebecca]

First and foremost-----the final decision will be the TD's (notice that is plural) and the PDGA.

The PDGA has to approve the area which has already been done at the BSF. Also, they will fly in again to approve any area up for consideration.

Second---A bid has not been turned in yet and there are other cities wanting the Worlds in 2013.

And last----there will be some things that we as disc golfers will have to agree to disagree.
So lets play nicely and not trash talk about any courses or equipment that someone has worked hard on:)

[Toby Puttzinski]

First and foremost-----the final decision will be the TD's (notice that is plural) and the PDGA.

The PDGA has to approve the area which has already been done at the BSF. Also, they will fly in again to approve any area up for consideration.

Second---A bid has not been turned in yet and there are other cities wanting the Worlds in 2013.

And last----there will be some things that we as disc golfers will have to agree to disagree.
So lets play nicely and not trash talk about any courses or equipment that someone has worked hard on:)

Technically, TDs' (decision) would make it plural.

[sillybizz]

Technically, TDs' (decision) would make it plural.

:kissflowers: