Latitude 64

[Nichola]

Before I go ahead to order online, I am wondering does any local in Portland carry or sell Latitude 64 discs? A friend of mine recommend Opto Diamond to me as he thinks it would suit for women and those who lacks of power to throw so I am thinking about giving it a try out.

[ptld2001]

Before I go ahead to order online, I am wondering does any local in Portland carry or sell Latitude 64 discs? A friend of mine recommend Opto Diamond to me as he thinks it would suit for women and those who lacks of power to throw so I am thinking about giving it a try out.

Last time I was at Next Adventure, they had a pretty good stock of Opto Diamonds. It seemed like they ranged in weight from mid-140's to high 150's.

[Cornwall, Esq.]

When I visited Jerry @ Disc Golf Depot in July, they had tons of latitude 64. Would this be considered in portland area, or gresham?

[himynameismatt]

What they said. Also check Play it Again Sports they one by me has Lat64.

[Vector_2008]

+1 to Jerry's Depot. Bought a couple of Rivers there a couple weeks back.

[Adam Schneider]

I also wouldn't mind picking up a Diamond. It might make me less paranoid about losing my old 148g CE Leopard.

[ScottDG]

I would highly recommend Jerry Miller @ Disc Golf Depot. He has the BEST prices around and is super friendly and knowledgeable. Just call for an appointment. Usually a 10 minute warning just to make sure he is there is all you need. 503-771-9900 is his number.

[jdinteg]

I would agree Jerry Miller has great selection, and very competitive prices. However another good choice if you have a Stumptown membership ($10 once a year), is Next Adventure. They offer a 15% discount to Stumptown members. In addition they often buy your old plastic, and sell used or well loved plastic at a discount. Sometimes you can find the disc you want in the used bin in great condition, or just worn in for $10 or less. like Jerry, they too do great things for, and donate a lot of time and money to the disc golf community. I always like to make sure I have another option if one of them is out of stock and I cannot be patient for the plastic to come in. I find half of my plastic comes from one of the two companies, if I buy it locally and not online.

[matt]

Before I go ahead to order online, I am wondering does any local in Portland carry or sell Latitude 64 discs? A friend of mine recommend Opto Diamond to me as he thinks it would suit for women and those who lacks of power to throw so I am thinking about giving it a try out.

did you get that diamond ?
if so, how do you like it ?

I just bought a pink one for my wife, and going to have disc addiction dye a flamingo onto it

its her prize, for letting me drag her into this crazy sport, and putting up with me:wink2:

[matt]

+1 to Jerry's Depot. Bought a couple of Rivers there a couple weeks back.

i was thinking a river might be a good disc for me
how do you like them?

[jdinteg]

River is a must have, I prefer Goldline for the grip. I keep 2 in my bag, 169g for the flat straight shot and a 177 for more stable finish. The Saint just came out, which is a speed #9, pretty much a longer river.

[General Scales]

I throw a lot of Latitude discs.

River is nice and pin point. I'd call it a flippy Teebird. Gold line versions are less stable then the Opto's. Especially in heavier weights. I throw 173 Gold Line for straight and anhyzer shots. Can be hyzer flipped if you have good snap in your throw.

Vision is very flippy in every plastic I've thrown it in. Definitely an anhyzer or roller disc (longer Leopard). The Gold Line and Opto fly identical in my experience. I throw 174 Gold Line versions for long rights, no step straight shots and huge rollers that I want to give some air to before they hit the ground.

Trident is essentially a meat hook disc. It's only goal is to go out and turn hard to the ground. The Gold Line is less over stable (still very stable though) then the Opto's. Weight doesn't seem to affect the stability of this disc. I use a 171 Gold Line version for side arms, slow panning overhands, side arm rollers, head winds, skip shots and hard hyzer shots that I can't quite get to with my Hornet but are too short to use my Force. Great utility disc.

The Striker is fantastic. It's a longer Teebird. Thrown hard and flat it gets a nice helix flight with minimal fade. Thrown on Hyzer it stands up, glides forever and fades back. Holds an anhyzer for days if needed. Very useful disc. It's one of the rare cases where I like the Opto's more then the Gold Line. Mine are 172 (one pop top, one flat)

The Riot is a power disc. Snap it hard and it holds straight with moderate fade at the end of it's flight. I don't currently have one in my bag because my Forces do the same thing. The Riot has a weird outward curve on the lip of the rim that is supposed to help with cleaner release but it feels weird in my hand.

The XXX is essentially a faster longer Predator. Very dependable (it's always going to end left on a right handed back hand throw). Head winds do not deter this disc at all. I have none in my bag but only because I don't really need anymore overstable plastic in my bag at the moment. Awesome disc for power players and sidearms.

The Flow is the equivalent of a Wraith. Super glide, super accurate, easy to get distance with. I'll throw my Flow in the bag from time to time since if I need something for a course that is longer then my Striker. I throw the Opto over the Gold Line (this is the other exception disc).

The Villain is frickin awesome. Overstable like an Excalibur. Doesn't get deterred from it's path in any headwind. I throw both Opto and Gold Line versions of this disc. The Opto is more overstable and the Gold Line will go further. Will go a long way flat before it starts fading hard (if you have the arm for a disc like this that is). I use it for side arms since I like the way it feels over the Force. Occasionally I'll use it for big skips if I can't get the Trident that far. Both of mine are 171.

The Halo is essentially a Boss/Nuke. Good stability for a wide winged warp speed driver. I don't throw them because I like Nukes more. They will go a very long ways if you can throw the high speed stuff. From my experience, the Opto versions are not anywhere near as dependable as the Gold Line version of this disc.

The Havoc is essentially a Katana. If powered correctly it'll hold straight or even a slow right turn with minimal fade at the end. I don't throw them because I throw Nukes (1 stable, 1 semi beat and 1 super beat).

The Bolt is a super flippy high speed (think Vulcan, Nuke SS or Cannon from Legacy). When powered up, this disc flips up, turns right and stays that way. Once again, I throw Nukes so they don't reside in my bag. In my experience, it was a very good ultra fast roller for me.

The Core is a Buzzz clone. Holds whatever line you put it on. Can be torqued on without too much worry of overpowering the disc. Both the Opto and Gold Line versions of this disc are great with the Opto being a tad more stable then the Gold Line. I throw Buzzz's but I could easily throw the Core just as well (too bad there isn't a FLX version of the Core).

The Fuse is the equivalent of a Comet. Cannot be torqued but will glide straight or slowly right for days. It's a disc that is nice to have for tail winds or hyzer flips. I throw ESP Comets so they aren't in my bag but they are awesome anyways. Opto is a tiny bit more stable but not by much.

The Pain is essentially a Roc/Wasp. I have a limited experience with them since I throw Hornets for the type of shot this disc would be used for. My buddy absolutely is in love with his though. He throws the Opto for headwinds and the Gold Line for a straighter shot that still has to have some fade at the end. He actually replaced his Rocs for these so they must have something going for them.

The Spike is the best putter ever made in my opinion. Flat, shallow glidey and fast. I use the Zero Line versions for putting only and the Grip Line versions for drives and approaches. Too bad they cancelled both Zero Line and Grip Line plastics for the EZE plastic. So if you like them, swoop them now before people start charging an arm and a leg for this awesome disc in these awesome plastics. The rumor is that Latitude will be producing these in Opto or Gold Line plastic soon. If they do, I'll definitely replace my Grip Line with one of those two plastics. Until then, I'll keep what I got.

The Pure is exactly that. Pure. Very line oriented. Can be driven quite well. Deeper rimmed then a Spike. Not as fast as a Spike but has more glide. I have quite a few of them laying around but due to rim depth, I prefer the Spike. Awesome putter though (the guy who won the world putting championships this year was using a Pure). Also made in Opto so it can be driven and will beat very very very slowly.

The Sinus is a beast of a putter. Very overstable. Will not be deterred in the wind. My roommate is obsessed with this disc (owns five, has aced with 3 of them this year). Deep rimmed, slow and essentially no glide. Great for hard spin putts, hyzer approaches or hard drives from the tee. I would say it's almost as overstable as a Zone.

The only molds I haven't thrown yet from Latitude are: The Saint, The Blitz, The Mercy, The Diamond, The Ruby and The Pearl. The last 3 are all the lightweight beginner discs. Hope this helps you in making a choice. Latitude is awesome. Between them and Discraft, I'd be hard pressed to pick one if I could be sponsored by either. Phew that was a lot of typing.

[Adam Schneider]

I also wouldn't mind picking up a Diamond. It might make me less paranoid about losing my old 148g CE Leopard.
And this turned out to be true... the Diamond flies almost exactly like a 150-class Champ/CE Leopard.

[Jeff Hemmerling]

I throw a lot of Latitude discs.
...
Phew that was a lot of typing.Wow, what a post!
Very informative. I'm going to print a copy for future reference.
Thanks! :)

[matt]

Thanks for the heads up
That's a lot of good info

[puttmin]

Thanks for the heads up
That's a lot of good info

what about the mirus? do they still make those? I have a premiere edition. its domy and goes wuppa wuppa when u push in dome...equivilant?

[jdinteg]

what about the mirus? do they still make those? I have a premiere edition. its domy and goes wuppa wuppa when u push in dome...equivilant?

I have a 165 Mirus I traded for a Hornet. Flies like a stable Teebird, or more stable Striker for me. This has been my over the water shot disc, have not lost it yet so it stays in my bag. It's growing on me.

[jdinteg]

I throw a lot of Latitude discs.

River is nice and pin point. .......Phew that was a lot of typing.

I throw almost all latitude myself, Obsessed really. IMHO Your post is pretty much dead on. for the missing info here's my take on it:

In the Bag today
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Zero Pure 172
Zero Sinus 174 (Just replaced my Rhyno)
SSS - Warlock 175 (Last hold out)
Gold Fuse 175 (Snap=Turn over mid, Soft=Straight)
Gold Fuse 180 (Snap=long straight, hyzer=big slow fade)
Gold Pain 175 (Like a Rancho Roc, great fade)
Gold Vision 175 (Snap = Long turnover, Soft= Straight, soft turnover)
Gold River 179 (Glide long, stable finish)
Gold River 169 (Snap=gentle turnover, predictable fade, Soft=straight)
Gold Striker 170 (Snap=straight gentle turnover, soft=straight gentle fade)
Gold Striker 177 (Snap= Stable, soft=overstable)
Gold Flow 169 (Distance, good glide)
Gold Villain 170 (In the wind driver, flex shots, 200'+ thumber distance)
Gold Halo 175 (In the wind go for it driver, full power throws)
Gold Saint 170 (Longer river currently stable finish)
Gold Saint 177 (currently flies like an overstable flow)
Mirus 165 (Plastic?) Over the water, or danger of losing shot, snap=stable)
Champ Firebird 172 (Best 200' thumber disc for my throw)
Z Nuke OS 175 (Most Overstable disc I have. Skip shots, hurricanes)

I take the following in and out of my bag constantly XXX-GL, Trident Op&GL, Bolts GL, Spike-Zero,

Havoc - I never threw the Katana's well, so your post just explained why I don't like throwing the two Havocs I have.

Blitz - is like an overstable destroyer, Less glide, IMO (not in my bag)

Diamond - flies like a 150g Valk for me, my GL Vision is what I throw for the long turnover, or hyzer flip.

Just bought two GL Saint(s): definitely a longer river, but not much longer. My favorite shot for my rivers is that low line straight shot with minimal fade. I think the Saint will replace one of my strikers or flows instead. But I need to abuse them for a while and see.

Never heard of the Ruby or the Pearl, thought I knew all latitude. Guess I got some learning to do. Hope this helps those of you throwing Latitude. I think this is great product: Plastic quality and finish, glide, breath of options. Only a few holes in the line up, but not many.

[matt]

I throw almost all latitude myself, Obsessed really. IMHO Your post is pretty much dead on. for the missing info here's my take on it:

In the Bag today
----------------.
more really good info, thanks

[matt]

I just reread this
got me thinking about the river and/or fuse again
I was holding on to a river for a while, in the store (I was shopping for a new CH Leopard)
Bought the leopard, left the river behind.

[General Scales]

If you get a River, keep in mind these few tips to get what you want:

1.) With Latitude, they have big differences run to run. Some runs are super domey, some moderately domey and some super flat. The super domey have the most glide but are the least high speed stable. The super flat are the most high speed stable but have the least glide. I like the flat and moderate dome versions.
2.) A heavier weight Opto will always be more overstable then the same weight Gold line version.
3.) Latitude is usually off in their weight by at least a half gram down. If it says 173, it's probably 172.5 or lighter.
4.) If buying Opto, there are really clear and really opaque versions. The really clear versions are generally ultra stiff and domey. The really opaque versions are generally flat and flexible. I have a Striker that is really opaque (I call it GLOpto plastic) and is flatter then an ironing board. It's super flexible and leaves fingerprints on the plastic where I put my thumb. It's almost like the legendary candy plastic (later run CE from Innova).
5.) If buying Gold Line, there are solid color, marbled color and color shift versions. I like the look of the marbled stuff but the solid color is usually more true to it's stated flight characteristic. The color shift Gold Line is harder to come by and is super sexy to see fly. Not too much experience from me in throwing the color shift stuff yet.
6.) Finding lighter weights (165 and lighter) can be a challenge. The lightest River I've seen was 162 and sold for 25 bucks because it's so hard to find the stuff that light. Most places have 168 as the lightest option.
7.) Have fun becoming addicted to Swedish plastic!

[matt]

my wife has a 148 dx shark that she is now throwing to hard/its getting beat up
it starting to get a little flippy for her
so i have been trying decide if i should get her a roc or a buzzz
then i had a light bulb moment, and had to reread this
i think a core might be good if i can find a lighter one

[General Scales]

So just got this email from Tomas over at Latitude regarding the Spike and Sinus in premium plastic:
Hi Stuart!

Spike will be made in Gold line during this winter, we've made a small batch of them this summer but ran into some problems so we had to stop. Since then we haven't had the time to make them, but they will be made :-)
Sinus could be made in Opto or Gold but we haven't tried that yet, so I don't know if it will work or not. But we will try the next time we will make them.

I hope you can wait for them :)

Regards
Tomas

I can wait, I just don't want to :-)

[Cornwall, Esq.]

I've made the transition from Zero Line Spike as my favorite putter to Zero Line Pure, and I'm not looking back. But unfortunately for my future, I have held that new EZE plastic, and I'm just not a fan, too slippery.

I dread what will happen if I loose my two remaining (baby blue) Pures. Was there any reasoning behind switching to the EZE plastic? Cost?

I would certainly like to try a spike in Premium plastic. I know they made opto and some goldline Pures, which I would also enjoy trying out. Currently my driving putter is a Vibram VP, and it can handle a lot of flutter and off axis torque from my poor putter driving form.

Anyone have opinions on which non-Latitude plastic is the closest to that chalky like feel of the Zero Line plastic? Innova DX?

[General Scales]

I dread what will happen if I loose my two remaining (baby blue) Pures. Was there any reasoning behind switching to the EZE plastic? Cost?


There were a few reasons why they have cancelled Zero and Grip Line plastics:
1.) Cost was a major pain. It was just too expensive to continue to use the Zero and Grip lines to mold discs that were essentially the base plastic.
2.) They wanted to manufacture their mids and drivers in a base line plastic which according to everything I've read and my correspondence with Tomas, wasn't possible in Zero line.
3.) EZE plastic was the most popular of the two test materials they released. They do have plans to release in the next few months a "soft" version of EZE. It's rumored to be the closest thing to to Zero line from what I've been told.

If you want to get Pure's in Zero Line before they are gone forever, I would strongly suggest starting the process now as I'm sure that they will eventually start jumping up in price. People hoarde them, then sell them for 3 times what they were bought for a year later.

http://www.clearwaterdiscgolfstore.com/latitude64latitude64zerolinepure-p-4473.html At this time, Clearwater has 54 in stock.

[SO_disc_viking]

i was thinking a river might be a good disc for me
how do you like them?

I have found that all three plastics have very different flight patterns. I love mine though. I find the opto similar to a teebird.

[matt]

just bought a 159 really opaque (I call it GLOpto plastic) orange Diamond light
i am going to play with it some
if its too light or flippy, I can give it to my wife
to replace her 152 diamond, because its starting to turn pretty hard for her
(maybe a combo of beating in and too light)

[jcrab66]

love my pink glopto diamonds, effortless distance and tons of glide, my lightweight rivers are similarly awesome

[TYVEK]

There were a few reasons why they have cancelled Zero and Grip Line plastics:
1.) Cost was a major pain. It was just too expensive to continue to use the Zero and Grip lines to mold discs that were essentially the base plastic.
2.) They wanted to manufacture their mids and drivers in a base line plastic which according to everything I've read and my correspondence with Tomas, wasn't possible in Zero line.
3.) EZE plastic was the most popular of the two test materials they released. They do have plans to release in the next few months a "soft" version of EZE. It's rumored to be the closest thing to to Zero line from what I've been told.

If you want to get Pure's in Zero Line before they are gone forever, I would strongly suggest starting the process now as I'm sure that they will eventually start jumping up in price. People hoarde them, then sell them for 3 times what they were bought for a year later.

http://www.clearwaterdiscgolfstore.com/latitude64latitude64zerolinepure-p-4473.html At this time, Clearwater has 54 in stock.

so just in case this wasnt brought up, i saw on latitudes web page that they are bringing back the Zero plastic next year in two diferent softnesses.

[General Scales]

so just in case this wasnt brought up, i saw on latitudes web page that they are bringing back the Zero plastic next year in two diferent softnesses.

They totally are and that makes me super happy. The reason they moved away from Zero in the first place is something about the plastic blend makes it near impossible to get good molds on their mids and drivers. They went to EZE to make molding those discs in a base line plastic much easier. However, when the consistency (and in bigger parts, the durability) wasn't there, they did the right thing and cancelled the run. I applaud them for that.

I won't lie though, I think Zero Pains would be the bee's knees. Something that would put Roc chuckers in check

[matt]

just bought a 159 orange Diamond light
i am going to play with it some
if its too light or flippy, I can give it to my wife
to replace her 152 diamond, because its starting to turn pretty hard for her
(maybe a combo of beating in and too light)

Played with it some yesterday
I will be keeping it for now ;)

I got some of my best drives ever, on a couple of holes.

I actually got my first par, on hole 14 at Shelton springs.
(2 really nice long drives, a 70-80 foot lay up around a couple of trees, and then I only had to make a 2 foot putt!)

I probably just got lucky and just didnt hit any trees, but I say it was the diamond :biggrin2:

[matt]

I am normally happy to get to the gravel road in 2 drives
And I was well past it, about to the crest of the hill over on the right side behind the big trees

[TYVEK]

Played with it some yesterday
I will be keeping it for now ;)

I got some of my best drives ever, on a couple of holes.

I actually got my first par, on hole 14 at Shelton springs.
(2 really nice long drives, a 70-80 foot lay up around a couple of trees, and then I only had to make a 2 foot putt!)

I probably just got lucky and just didnt hit any trees, but I say it was the diamond :biggrin2:

thats awesome! what a great hole to get your par on, i guess you really are Team Oly's ringer huh!?:yay: but to stay on topic, do you know if the shelton disc golf store has any of the "air opto" plastic? i went to package express yesterday and picked up a westside King, and a gold line Flow. cant wait to try them out! i wish it wasnt raining today.

[matt]

i dont know, i was trying to learn the lat64 stuff for a while, and would touch all of it.
but i quit, and now i dont pay attention
i just looked for a diamond and didnt even look at the other stuff
i can check for you tomorrow or maybe text him later today

[PhilStomp]

I glanced through some of this thread but I really don't care....My bag is turning more to L64 and that's a fact. Better plastic and more predictable flight, period. Still putt with a Pro Cobra but hey, whatever works for you, right? The Saint is a goto driver, Flow for forhand (Halo for hard right forhand), River is coming more into play for Straight and slight anny. I'm scared to try the Core bcause my beloved Cobra's may fall to the wayside.

If this keeps up, I may end up with a true "putter" in my bag. The Pure, I'm holding back.

Disc Golf Depot has the most L64 disc's in the area, I've been looking.
I still LOVE my Champion Cobra's but........

Peace. Happy New year to you all.
Phil

[TYVEK]

ok, so an update on the "king" and the "flow" that i had bought last week.

i have played 4.5 rounds with these discs now and have a fairly good grasp on how they fly (for me). for infomation's sake, i am a right hand back hand thrower primarily. my average drive is 325 feet, and that is real distance not "internet distance"

Westside discs King tournament plastic- 174 gram.
this disc really has some speed. it is still a bit on the overstable side for me, but thats because i dont have the necessary throwing mechanics/strength to fully utilize the discs potential with the weight of the disc. i think that if it were 168-170 grams then it wouldnt be as overstable for me.
even with its overstable tendancies, it is still flying just as far and sometimes farther than my 150 gram blizzard destroyer and my 155 gram blizzard boss. its because of the speed of the disc that it equals the distance of the those discs, most of the time it is slightly turning left for me the whole time, but it is amazing to me on how fast it flys. my throws with it are averaging 330-350 feet with it. i am liking it more and more as i continue to use it, and i find a lighter one i beleive that it will become my go to long range driver. i am also finding it usefull for forehand shots.


Latitude 64 Flow gold line plastic - 173 gram.
I am really begining to appreciate this disc. the amount of glide that this disc has reminds me of a Teebird. i remember my Teebirds would stay in the air forever it seemed, and this disc does not disapoint in that regard. with a good flat throw it will turn to the right slightly, straighten out for a while and then slightly fade back to the left at the end of its flight. there have been 2 times so far that i have out driven all of my other discs with this disc. the rim is comfortable in my hand and i really like the stability of the disc.
what i like so far is that i can get this disc to have a pretty straight flight and also can get some turnover in it without worrying about it never coming back left. to top it off the glide it has is truly impressive.


all in all i think that both of these discs will be staying in my bag for the foreseeable future (as if we could actually see into the future). i am happy with both, but wished i had slightly lighter weights for both discs.

now that Latitude has their bubble plastic i can now get the innova out of my bag. and i really like that! i am starting to lean towards more Latitude stuff because their discs and the plastics they use are really solid in my eyes.

yeah i know its a bit long, but hopefully it can help somebody that is wondering about these discs.

[General Scales]

all in all i think that both of these discs will be staying in my bag for the foreseeable future (as if we could actually see into the future). i am happy with both, but wished i had slightly lighter weights for both discs.

now that Latitude has their bubble plastic i can now get the innova out of my bag. and i really like that! i am starting to lean towards more Latitude stuff because their discs and the plastics they use are really solid in my eyes.


Welcome to the world of being addicted to Swedish plastic. It's amazing. The best part about Latitude's plastic is it seems to take forever to beat in. Opto is pretty much indestructible and Gold Line is so sexy to the eyes and to the touch that I feel bad throwing them sometimes.

[jdinteg]

Those Swedish guys are great! I throw almost exclusively Lat64/Westside now. I really like the Flow, Halo, Giant, and Villain for all out distance with a hard snap. But at the speed and distance your throwing I would encourage you to consider the Saint and the Striker in the woods, or for control. I found the flow (6 glide) to give me more pure distance. But the Saint (7 glide) and Especially the Striker (6 glide) gave me complete control, and only shaved 10-20' off my total distance on an average shot at 80%. Predominantly the Striker and Saints come out of my bag more per round than the Halo and Flow does. The most used disk in my bag by far is my GL-River control driver. I usually only throw the Goldline, but I have picked up many Opto discs overtime too. Many times in the wet and cold weather the Goldline is still grippier for me than the Opto.

Very addictive habit buying Swedish plastic, I swear it is laced with some narcotic I cannot identify that consumes my money....

[General Scales]

Speaking of Latitude, this was one of my gifts to myself for Christmas. I'd like to thank Jack Wardian at Rapid Fire Plastics in Post Falls Idaho for having this beauty sitting on the shelf

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1465_311265475652100_736603805_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/603313_311265605652087_1400818090_n.jpg

[jdinteg]

One of the very few discs in latitude I like better in Opto, I love that disc! Tried several GL Tridents and they just don't fly the same. Changed to a 175 GL XXX instead. Was that a gift from Poseidon?

[General Scales]

One of the very few discs in latitude I like better in Opto, I love that disc! Tried several GL Tridents and they just don't fly the same. Changed to a 175 GL XXX instead. Was that a gift from Poseidon?

Hah! I wish Poseidon had brought that to me. That would've been way cooler then going to the store and purchasing it myself. I like them both in Gold Line and Opto plastic. I think I'll be sticking with the Opto though as they take longer to beat in.

I love the Trident! It's such an underrated and under appreciated disc in their line up. I really compare it to a driver version of a Gator. Super duper overstable, super predictable, no glide. I did hear through the grape vine that they will be discontinuing the Trident, XXX and the Blitz due to lack of sales :puke:

[jdinteg]

Panic Buy moment. I have two of each (XXX, Trident), I should buy more....

Blitz I can live without, the Giant and Villain fill that gap for me.

[General Scales]

I wouldn't go buying them all yet, I just emailed Tomas to see if the rumor is true, hopefully it isn't

[Bruce]

The Opto trident is the closest thing on the market to the old Pro Line Monsters, it's pretty money!

[matt]

i have been trying to move my wifes' mids up in weight
she was throwing high 140s

she now has a pro-d 169 drone, pro-d 162 buzzz, and a Z 166 glow buzzz

but is still using a 148 dx stingray for the understable slot
i have been looking at getting her a 159 pearl to replace it

has anyone used the pearl?


by the way, i'm still loving my diamond

[General Scales]

Not thrown the Pearl but I have held one, they feel good in the hand.

[Sgt_Mac]

yes Pearl feels great -- my son and I threw a few at the GSO this year.

Recently though -- I picked up a Warship in the 166 weight -- PInk disc. PERFECT mid range straight line flyer -- I mean STRAIGHT. 6501 are the numbers and it performs!

Scales, Chains and Laura can atest to the performance from this weekend!

Mac

[matt]

i like my diamond but i wish it was a tiny bit heavier and had a touch more fade
so... looking at the chart, i bought a 166 opto vision
cant weight to throw it and see if its as perfect for me as i am hoping
it will be interesting to see how it stacks up against my new valk
here is the comparison on inbounds (http://www.inboundsdiscgolf.com/content/?page_id=431&type=&id1=7940274&id2=4645290&id3=8775593&id4=777921O&n=1139)

[matt]

i like my diamond but i wish it was a tiny bit heavier and had a touch more fade
so... looking at the chart, i bought a 166 opto vision
cant weight to throw it and see if its as perfect for me as i am hoping
it will be interesting to see how it stacks up against my new valk
here is the comparison on inbounds (http://www.inboundsdiscgolf.com/content/?page_id=431&type=&id1=7940274&id2=4645290&id3=8775593&id4=777921O&n=1139)

Got to throw a few, before I set up for glow
the vision sure flew nice, and feels great in hand
The new 168 pro Valk seemed a little more stable and had a little more fade
will need more time to be sure, had a small off and on headwind which may account for the results being off
No matter what I liked it.

[matt]

i like my diamond but i wish it was a tiny bit heavier and had a touch more fade
so... looking at the chart, i bought a 166 opto vision
cant weight to throw it and see if its as perfect for me as i am hoping
it will be interesting to see how it stacks up against my new valk
here is the comparison on inbounds (http://www.inboundsdiscgolf.com/content/?page_id=431&type=&id1=7940274&id2=4645290&id3=8775593&id4=777921O&n=1139)

this morning i used the vision for most of my drives off of the tee
when i finally got a good hard (for me), flat, throw
it flew just like i had hoped for
a nice big/long S-turn

[matt]

I finally bought myself a river 168opto
can't wait to throw.it

[General Scales]

The disc I truly have been waiting on is Gold Line Spikes. I need them now!

[jdinteg]

My Vote is for Goldline Pure and Sinus

[Lund]

My Vote is for Goldline Sinus

Now you're cooking with gas!

[Stephen.Sines]

My Vote is for Goldline Pure and Sinus

I sure would like to see the Sinus in opto or GL. slower out of the hand rather than the gator.

[Josh Heideman]

I have a Flow and my wife to be has a blitz and a pain we both really like the feel of Latitude 64 plastic.

[General Scales]

Sinus will not make legal weight in premium plastic. It may be seen in the Opto Air plastic one day but there are no plans for premium Sinuses . The factory regrind Pures are awesome and are mostly Gold Line in the blend.

[jdinteg]

Sinus will not make legal weight in premium plastic. It may be seen in the Opto Air plastic one day but there are no plans for premium Sinuses . The factory regrind Pures are awesome and are mostly Gold Line in the blend.

Why do you say that?

Is the rim edge too shallow on the Sinus to use 180 weight and meet PDGA Specs?

The Spike rim is darn close to that depth too.

I have not seen any recycled line up close, and was reluctant to get a renamed EZE "Easy-E" plastic. Is the recycled more like a Goldline?

[General Scales]

The recycled is a lot like Gold Line but slicker. It does mold with more dome then regular Gold Line though.

As for the Sinus something about the way the premium plastic molds that won't let the Sinus mold to spec without being overweight.

[matt]

i am looking for a slow, very overstable putter, for trick and approach shots
is a sinus slow?

i am going to go on a putter quest for a while
because my short game sucks
i want to learn to drive with one ect.

[jdinteg]

i am looking for a slow, very overstable putter, for trick and approach shots
is a sinus slow?

i am going to go on a putter quest for a while
because my short game sucks
i want to learn to drive with one ect.

Sinus, Rhyno, or maybe a Pig would be my suggestion. I throw all latitude except my Upshot/driving putter is the Rhyno. I can snap the Rhyno hard and it will always come back. Lately I have been using a Zero Sinus and it is really close to the Rhyno. The Sinus has a shallow rim, Rhyno is a much deeper rim. They feel different, but fly similar. I do not own a Pig.

Flight #s according to each Manufacturer are identical:

Innova - Rhyno: Speed 2, Glide 1, Turn 0, Fade 3

Latitude 64 - Sinus: Speed 2, Glide 1, Turn 0, Fade 3

[matt]

Sinus, Rhyno, or maybe a Pig would be my suggestion. I throw all latitude except my Upshot/driving putter is the Rhyno. I can snap the Rhyno hard and it will always come back. Lately I have been using a Zero Sinus and it is really close to the Rhyno. The Sinus has a shallow rim, Rhyno is a much deeper rim. They feel different, but fly similar. I do not own a Pig.

Flight #s according to each Manufacturer are identical:

Innova - Rhyno: Speed 2, Glide 1, Turn 0, Fade 3

Latitude 64 - Sinus: Speed 2, Glide 1, Turn 0, Fade 3

shallow rim good
deep rim bad
i use magics, so i am more used to a shallow putter

[General Scales]

Sinus is exactly what you described. Where's Big Red when you need him? I think he's got four or five aces with Sinus's now.

[matt]

I finally bought myself a river 168opto
can't wait to throw.it

This River is making me crazy
Being a newer player, we will say that my form isn't perfect yet.
When I throw it correctly its beautiful, when I don't, it sure let's me know!


Now I am going to try a GL Fuse, I have a Pro-D Buzzz that I have been trying to beat into understable, but im impatient and afraid that, once I get it perfect, I will lose it.

[TYVEK]

This River is making me crazy
Being a newer player, we will say that my form isn't perfect yet.
When I throw it correctly its beautiful, when I don't, it sure let's me know!


Now I am going to try a GL Fuse, I have a Pro-D Buzzz that I have been trying to beat into understable, but im impatient and afraid that, once I get it perfect, I will lose it.

Hey Matt, a perfectly beat in Buzzz is called a METEOR :biggrin2:

in all seriousness, you should try one.

[General Scales]

Latitude has the Mace out finally. 5 5 0 3. Flight review coming as soon as Marshall Street sends it to me.

[matt]

Hey Matt, a perfectly beat in Buzzz is called a METEOR :biggrin2:

in all seriousness, you should try one.

actually, the disc i am after is more Comet like
i am looking for instant beat in Pro-D Buzzz
(or Buzzz SS, for numbers purposes)
the numbers can be seen here (http://www.inboundsdiscgolf.com/content/?page_id=431&type=&id1=8292205&id2=9711069&id3=8822502&id4=4699597&n=113)

the disc i use for Meteor type shots, is a Glide.
its has a little less HSS and has less fade also.
and those numbers can be seen here (http://www.inboundsdiscgolf.com/content/?page_id=431&type=&id1=6995153&id2=4699597&id3=8822502&id4=777921O&n=1139)

[jdinteg]

This River is making me crazy
Being a newer player, we will say that my form isn't perfect yet.
When I throw it correctly its beautiful, when I don't, it sure let's me know!


Now I am going to try a GL Fuse, I have a Pro-D Buzzz that I have been trying to beat into understable, but im impatient and afraid that, once I get it perfect, I will lose it.

I have 4-GL Fuses. 178 - 180g is Stable when thrown smooth. But my favorite is 175-177g which will turn nice with clean snap and just keep going right due to the amazing glide of this disc. If stuck in tight woods and no run up I like the straight glide this disc gives me when thrown smooth and soft. I personally prefer the Goldline plastic.

The GL Core and Pro D Buzz are hard for me to tell the difference. I carry both currently and they fly nearly the same for me. The Pro D Buzz has held the Anny line a few feet longer before becoming stable. But I'm not sure if that was throwing technique, plastic tackiness, or disc design?

[jdinteg]

Fuse = Comet

Core = Buzz

Pain = Very Stable Rancho Roc/Roc3 or Hornet

[matt]

I would like to try the Core, but all my regular (Z, ESP, FLX) buzzzs treat me so well, I am pretty happy with them.
It was just that Understable slot I was using the Pro-D Buzzz in, I want to replace.

I like the idea of just buying a new disc if I lose one, or having multiple of the same disc, without having to "season" them to perfection.

[matt]

Latitude has the Mace out finally. 5 5 0 3. Flight review coming as soon as Marshall Street sends it to me.

Interested to hear your opinion about it.
First I thought it was supposed to be between th core and pain.
Now it sounds like its more stable than the pain.
More like a wasp/roc

I am about to take my wasp out of my bag because I always use my new hornet

[matt]

I have 4-GL Fuses. 178 - 180g is Stable when thrown smooth. But my favorite is 175-177g which will turn nice with clean snap and just keep going right due to the amazing glide of this disc. If stuck in tight woods and no run up I like the straight glide this disc gives me when thrown smooth and soft. I personally prefer the Goldline plastic.
i got a GL 172 fuse (my normal mid weight) only got to throw it a dozen times
it was holding any line i put it on (some good, some bad) now i just need to learn how to be more accurate in my throwing.
i am very happy so far

[TYVEK]

ok so this may be old(ish) news for people but its new to me and super exciting! i dont keep up on everything in disc golf like i used to so i was super suprised today when i came accross something saying Dave Feldberg switched over to team Latitude.

i went and checked it out and sure enough it was true. WOW just wow, i would have never imagined him leaving Innova. it is really cool to see him throwing discs from Latitude/Westside/Dynamic now!

here is a "in the bag" video that shows what he is carying now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0QMdrQ3ZdPQ

sorry if this is old news, but i havent seen it posted here and its news to me.

[tmk]

Westside's Underworld is a new understable disc that has flight numbers (-3/1) that match the fuse, though it's a speed seven. So, you know, if you feel the need for speed ...

(As you probably know, Westside is a Finnish company that uses Lat 64's production facilities.)

I really like the stamp ... Scroll down to Skulboy's post (#10) (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83602)

[TYVEK]

yessssirreeeeeeee, i just got my latitude/dynamic/westside misprint pack that i ordered! i cant wait to get out there and throw them and see which ones i want to use for team golf tommorow!
i got-
1-Lucid Trespass (Dynamic Discs)
1-Lucid Fugitive (Dynamic Discs)
1-Classic soft Judge (Dynamic Discs)
1-Opto Villian (Latitude)
1-Opto Halo (Latitude)
1-Goldline Bolt (Latitude)
1-Vip air plastic Giant (Westside)
1-Vip air plastic King (Westside)
2-eco1 Swans (Westside)

cant beat 8 buckaroos a disc! i think it was money well spent.

[jdinteg]

ok so this may be old(ish) news for people but its new to me and super exciting! i dont keep up on everything in disc golf like i used to so i was super suprised today when i came accross something saying Dave Feldberg switched over to team Latitude.

i went and checked it out and sure enough it was true. WOW just wow, i would have never imagined him leaving Innova. it is really cool to see him throwing discs from Latitude/Westside/Dynamic now!

here is a "in the bag" video that shows what he is carying now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0QMdrQ3ZdPQ

sorry if this is old news, but i havent seen it posted here and its news to me.


This link for the youtube video is news to me. Posted March 8th, Dave talks about what he threw to win the GCC.

[Centerpin]

I bought a Pain Gold and I love it soo far ! :)

[matt]

yessssirreeeeeeee, i just got my latitude/dynamic/westside misprint pack that i ordered! i cant wait to get out there and throw them and see which ones i want to use for team golf tommorow!
i got-
1-Lucid Trespass (Dynamic Discs)
1-Lucid Fugitive (Dynamic Discs)
1-Classic soft Judge (Dynamic Discs)
1-Opto Villian (Latitude)
1-Opto Halo (Latitude)
1-Goldline Bolt (Latitude)
1-Vip air plastic Giant (Westside)
1-Vip air plastic King (Westside)
2-eco1 Swans (Westside)

cant beat 8 buckaroos a disc! i think it was money well spent.
now your swimming in swans:rockon:

[matt]

yesterday morning i got a GL 168 Saint
lost it on my 5th or 6th throw yesterday evening
found it this morning

on the throw that i lost it, that baby sailed, like it so far

[Josh Heideman]

I just got a Gold Line XXX 170g. Man is this disc over stable it doesn't really fly very far but it sure does have some great perks. It's got to be one of the best disc for overhand. I haven't quite got the forearm down yet but it does have really good fade for it. XXX is a great mid to long utility disc.

[jdinteg]

I just got a Gold Line XXX 170g. Man is this disc over stable it doesn't really fly very far but it sure does have some great perks. It's got to be one of the best disc for overhand. I haven't quite got the forearm down yet but it does have really good fade for it. XXX is a great mid to long utility disc.

If you like the XXX, consider trying an Opto or GL Trident. It's slower and feels even more stable due to less glide than the XXX. I carry a GL XXX and an Opto Trident in my bag. My XXX has gotten straighter over the last few months but the Opto Trident has been really over-stable for years using as a thumber and flick. The GL Tridents and XXX I have tend to wear in and become too straight for what I like them for. But that grip and initial flight of a brand new GL XXX or Trident is so nice.

[General Scales]

Yeah I've been throwing my Opto Trident for quite awhile and using it for a lot of hard hitting hyzers and it has loss no stability whatsoever. Threw it a lot yesterday during the St Patty's Day fundraiser at Four Mounds (30 + wind all day). Not once did it try to even flip to flat, it just kept doing what it was supposed to do. Love that thing

[jdinteg]

Dependable is the best way I can describe my Opto Trident.

Now I wish I could find a Striker that would not wear in too fast. I have about 7 of them (2-opto, 5-Goldline), unable to retain that max weight flight they have off the shelf. lately my beat in GL XXX is replacing those same shots a fresh striker would do. It's just that skip at the end can be punishing.

[matt]

yesterday morning i got a GL 168 Saint
lost it on my 5th or 6th throw yesterday evening
found it this morning

on the throw that i lost it, that baby sailed, like it so far

well this has turned into my favorite driver (was my 166 opto vision)
so today I bought a 156 air opto saint
we will see how that works out for my nooodle arm

[Adam Schneider]

I just got a Saint and find its flight to be essentially identical to my Striker. Both are high 160s.

[matt]

I just got a Saint and find its flight to be essentially identical to my Striker. Both are high 160s.

If I remember correctly, they both have the same stability numbers.
the saint just has way more glide.
just what a noodle arm like me needs

[matt]

Can someone give me some hard straight answers on what the deal is with the visions changes?

[jdinteg]

Can someone give me some hard straight answers on what the deal is with the visions changes?

Domey now, more stable. If you want flippy you need older ones

[matt]

Domey now, more stable. If you want flippy you need older ones

I have a TM2 coming is that the old mold?
I want to know more about the FURY, sounds like what I need to replace the vision (now that it flys like my saint).

[jdinteg]

New Underworld fly's very close to my seasoned visions.

[jdinteg]

No clue what a TM2 is?

[matt]

No clue what a TM2 is?
i'm not sure if you mean TM2 or which mold

test material 2 vision - old mold or new

[jdinteg]

Never thrown one. Only own & throw Opto & Goldline

[matt]

Never thrown one. Only own & throw Opto & Goldline

well, i was thinking it should beat into very understable pretty quickly
but it might be the old mold and it will be there already

i have an opto 166 vision already, and a new 168 GL and the 169 TM2 sitting in the mail box, just need to get down there to get it

i also have a GL 168 Saint that i really like so i bought an Air Opto 156 Saint
and the Air is a lot less stable

[jdinteg]

well, i was thinking it should beat into very understable pretty quickly
but it might be the old mold and it will be there already

i have an opto 166 vision already, and a new 168 GL and the 169 TM2 sitting in the mail box, just need to get down there to get it

i also have a GL 168 Saint that i really like so i bought an Air Opto 156 Saint
and the Air is a lot less stable

My vision is for rollers, and really sharp turn over shots. For a soft slow turn over I like the 178 GL Fuse, 170 GL Saint, or 169 GL River depending on distance needed. My biggest turn over and glide for miles disc with minimal fade back is the Fuse.

[matt]

My vision is for rollers, and really sharp turn over shots. For a soft slow turn over I like the 178 GL Fuse, 170 GL Saint, or 169 GL River depending on distance needed. My biggest turn over and glide for miles disc with minimal fade back is the Fuse.

I have a opto 166 river but we dont get along very well yet.
my form isn't good enough or consistent enough yet.

I also have a GL 172 Fuse and that thing is great, because it seems to hold any line I put it on. Im just not good enough yet to always put it on the line I want.

Both are amazing discs when I get it right though!!!
I have taken both out of my bag for now.

[matt]

I have a TM2 Vision coming is that the old mold?


its the new stamp/mold and very flat

[matt]

I want to know more about the FURY, sounds like what I need

i had to replace my saint today, because i lost it, so i upgraded it to 169 opto (was a 168 GL, but i like opto better for grip)
and while i was at it i went ahead and ordered a 169 opto fury also
it sounds like a heavier faster diamond
we will see

[matt]

i had to replace my saint today, because i lost it, so i upgraded it to 169 opto (was a 168 GL, but i like opto better for grip)
and while i was at it i went ahead and ordered a 169 opto fury also
it sounds like a heavier faster diamond
we will see

hows this for a couple of sexy discs?
some flexy, grippy, pink awesomeness:rockon:

the saint ended up being a 172g which is a little heavy for me, but should be ok i hope

[jdinteg]

hows this for a couple of sexy discs?
some flexy, grippy, pink awesomeness:rockon:

the saint ended up being a 172g which is a little heavy for me, but should be ok i hope

Let me know how you like that Fury. I would love just a tad more turn on one of my saints to get the big glide and the gentle turn.

[matt]

Let me know how you like that Fury. I would love just a tad more turn on one of my saints to get the big glide and the gentle turn.

i just came in from throwing it here at the house
on a long sweeping anny down hole 9
the differences between my vision, fury, and saint (all in opto) was very blurry
seemed like some overlap between the vision and fury

i will get them out to the driving range at woodland creek park tomorrow to get a real feel for it/them