Pay-to-play (was: Disc Golf Controversy in local paper)

[mine all mine]

This may lead into the need to charge to play local courses. That might change how often and how many people play as well as raise money so volunteers and local clubs can afford to do the necessary repairs to our courses. I know pay to play is a touchy subject, but how many sports can you play without paying money to use the proper facilities?

[Adam Schneider]

I know pay to play is a touchy subject, but how many sports can you play without paying money to use the proper facilities?
Tennis
Soccer
Softball
Baseball
Basketball
Ultimate

Tennis is the best example, as the facilities are quite specialized (and not cheap), and yet they're everywhere.

The biggest problem with pay-to-play in any sport, I think, is not the players' attitudes nor a lack of will... it's simply logistical. How do you collect the money and enforce it? So the only sports that are pay-to-play are those that charge enough money to hire staff (ball golf) or those that are indoors and therefore controllable (bowling, swimming, racquetball).

[mine all mine]

Tennis
Soccer
Softball
Baseball
Basketball
Ultimate

Tennis is the best example, as the facilities are quite specialized (and not cheap), and they're everywhere.

Tennis is not free where I come from, nor are the softball fields. You can get a good pickup game of basketball at the outside courts, but there are no nets and if its raining you don't play. All the indoor facilities cost money (YMCA), and you can play soccer, but you will be asked to leave if someone has the space reserved for practice or a real game. So, I would have to say I don't agree with any of what you think are free sports, and I did say using the "Proper Facilities".

[Wog]

Tennis
Soccer
Softball
Baseball
Basketball
Ultimate

Tennis is the best example, as the facilities are quite specialized (and not cheap), and yet they're everywhere.

Where are you playing these sports? Sure Most of these sports can be played for free but if you want to play on a quality court/field or you need to reserve the field for your team then you need to pay to play. Tennis in Vancouver is best played at the Vancouver Tennis Center (http://www.vancouvertenniscenter.com). Little leagues and soccer leagues all pay fees to rent or maintain their fields, etc.

Personally, I think the easiest way to generate some revenue is to charge for parking.

[Adam Schneider]

Tennis is free in most places. It certainly is in Portland (except at the indoor tennis centers).

There are also a few covered outdoor basketball courts for free wet-season use.

[mine all mine]

Where are you playing these sports? Sure Most of these sports can be played for free but if you want to play on a quality court/field or you need to reserve the field for your team then you need to pay to play. Tennis in Vancouver is best played at the Vancouver Tennis Center (http://www.vancouvertenniscenter.com). Little leagues and soccer leagues all pay fees to rent or maintain their fields, etc.

My thoughts exactly

[Adam Schneider]

Where are you playing these sports? Sure Most of these sports can be played for free but if you want to play on a quality court/field or you need to reserve the field for your team then you need to pay to play.
Softball, baseball, and soccer fields in parks are available on a first-come, first-served basis. Obviously if a league or private party is using the field, that's a different story -- but if you call, the city can tell you when it's reserved and when it isn't.


EDIT: Sounds like maybe we've got it pretty good down here in Portland, with free tennis courts and soccer fields in every neighborhood. God bless property taxes. :D

[mine all mine]

Tennis is free in most places. It certainly is in Portland (except at the indoor tennis centers).

There are also a few covered outdoor basketball courts for free wet-season use.

I wish I lived in Portland. I work at the University of Washington and I have to pay to use their tennis courts

[mine all mine]

Over It...so last week

[the flogging putter]

I like the idea of a pay to play disc golf course. It would be a good way to raise funds for maitaince and upgrades. It would probably also help get ride of the type of golfer that walks around the course littering, vandalizing pads, baskets, signs, trees, and so on.

[cefire]

I don't mind pay to play either, as a concept but as Adam points out, once you dig a bit deeper, like many things, it becomes complicated to develop a system everyone would be happy with...

The biggest problem with pay-to-play in any sport, I think, is not the players' attitudes nor a lack of will... it's simply logistical. How do you collect the money and enforce it? So the only sports that are pay-to-play are those that charge enough money to hire staff (ball golf) or those that are indoors and therefore controllable (bowling, swimming, racquetball).

Also, not sure where everyone else is but there are free super high quality tennis courts (as well as poor quality ones!) ALL OVER Seattle! Soccer fields, baseball, even a petanque tract that are all free. As a UW employee I used the awesome outdoor courts pretty frequently last year for free. Thinking about it, we should play sometime Ray!

[REDFIVE]

God bless property taxes. :D

Pay to play.

[The Ombudsman]

Why would I want to pay to play a sport that I have been playing for free for 35 years?

[TYVEK]

I like the idea of a pay to play disc golf course. It would be a good way to raise funds for maitaince and upgrades. It would probably also help get ride of the type of golfer that walks around the course littering, vandalizing pads, baskets, signs, trees, and so on.

I totally agree with this! i remember watching a Clash DVD that was at a course called Valarta Ast. i think it was in wisconsin, i remember them saying that it is a public park but has a fee to play the course of like $4 or something like that. they collect with a small box by the start of the course. they went on to say that the disc golf course raised somewhere around $40,000 dollars in one year from just the $4 dollar fee that was implemented. and in turn the $40,000 was FAR more than what was required to fund the entire park (not just the course) for the year.

i fully support pay to play courses.

[The Ombudsman]

How about work to play?

[TREX]

I know there are free fields and courts to play tennis, soccer and basketball on but lets define free in this situation. TAXES, plain and simple. While some course are in public parks and the state/ county's do maintain them most are not. There is really no comparison.
Most courses and all that comes with them are payed for by the clubs that run them. I see nothing wrong with a club charging a small fee to play on a course that they fund and maintain. Nobody else lets anyone use their stuff for free without paying for it so we really need to look at this in a realistic manner. If paying a couple bucks to play will help a club/course then I see nothing wrong with it at all.

[Mayumoogy]

The idea of pay to play disc golf is not something I would like to see become more common. The reason I have played as much disc golf as I have is because it is very cheap. It is usually played in public parks, or other underused open spaces. Unlike ball golf it doesn't need pro shops, large staffs or much maintenance. In fact unless the course is in a state park, private property or you have to take a ski lift to get to the course it should be free.

There has been talk about making the proposed Alton Baker Park in Eugene a pay-to-play course. I want this course. I would pay to play this course...while bitching. How bout we make it like every other course and slap a couple of trash can in strategic locations, and responsible golfers pick up after the jack asses in between those holes. Natural paths will form along the holes, and within a year or so, the park will be broken in. A little mowing here and there and you have a nice course.

The main problem I see with making a course pay to play is the enforcement. Once you make people pay you have to have a manager to manage time schedules and all that nonsense, then people to cover the shifts. Then a couple marshals to make sure no one hops in on hole 3. People to change the trashcans. It never ends! All the sudden rounds are costing $15 dollars, to cover all this crap that isn't necessary! Then there is the issue of closing times! What if I wanna glow golf!?

[cefire]

How about work to play?

YES!!!!

[the flogging putter]

The idea of pay to play disc golf is not something I would like to see become more common. The reason I have played as much disc golf as I have is because it is very cheap. It is usually played in public parks, or other underused open spaces. Unlike ball golf it doesn't need pro shops, large staffs or much maintenance. In fact unless the course is in a state park, private property or you have to take a ski lift to get to the course it should be free.

There has been talk about making the proposed Alton Baker Park in Eugene a pay-to-play course. I want this course. I would pay to play this course...while bitching. How bout we make it like every other course and slap a couple of trash can in strategic locations, and responsible golfers pick up after the jack asses in between those holes. Natural paths will form along the holes, and within a year or so, the park will be broken in. A little mowing here and there and you have a nice course.

The main problem I see with making a course pay to play is the enforcement. Once you make people pay you have to have a manager to manage time schedules and all that nonsense, then people to cover the shifts. Then a couple marshals to make sure no one hops in on hole 3. People to change the trashcans. It never ends! All the sudden rounds are costing $15 dollars, to cover all this crap that isn't necessary! Then there is the issue of closing times! What if I wanna glow golf!?

Paying $5 or less for a round would be very inexpensive for green fee. There is a lot of work going on at any public course that golfers don't think about. From the diehards picking up trash every time the play to work parties. it is only a very small % of golfers working. The main problem I see is a lot of people want everything at the course just given to them.

[mine all mine]

I guess I look at things a little differently. I was introduced to disc golf at Morley Field in San Diego. This is a pay to play course that is well maintained, has a pro shop, empty trash cans, multiple pin placements for every hole (course changes weekly), and is one of the most played courses on the west coast while only costing around $2.50 to play. It may not be the best course in the world, but it shows that a course can be pay to play and not cost an arm and a leg!

And why should just the responsible golfers be subjected to clean-up duty? That is a load of crap because the majority of golfers on these type of courses are not "responsible" and most of them are just recreational and could care less what the public image of OUR sport is.

But like I said before, this is so last week, because the only reason to bring this up is because our courses see more play than they can handle. That was the reason for mentioning it in its original thread (thanks Adam) where it made sense to talk about either reducing play by charging or at least raising money to pay for the upkeep and damages that are caused by disc golf so we have a leg to stand on when local people who aren't disc golfers complain.

I have noticed that there are disc golf courses being replaced, part of the land being re-allocated, or holes having to be moved or taken away for some other purpose...Why do you think this is happening? Why did Terrace Creek in WA have to give up holes for a dog park that, before the disc golf course, was an unusable area that the city wanted nothing to do with? These are not rhetorical questions, I am asking for answers...If there are any.

[The Ombudsman]

I guess I look at things a little differently. I was introduced to disc golf at Morley Field in San Diego. This is a pay to play course that is well maintained, has a pro shop, empty trash cans, multiple pin placements for every hole (course changes weekly), and is one of the most played courses on the west coast while only costing around $2.50 to play. It may not be the best course in the world, but it shows that a course can be pay to play and not cost an arm and a leg!

And why should just the responsible golfers be subjected to clean-up duty? That is a load of crap because the majority of golfers on these type of courses are not "responsible" and most of them are just recreational and could care less what the public image of OUR sport is.

But like I said before, this is so last week, because the only reason to bring this up is because our courses see more play than they can handle. That was the reason for mentioning it in its original thread (thanks Adam) where it made sense to talk about either reducing play by charging or at least raising money to pay for the upkeep and damages that are caused by disc golf so we have a leg to stand on when local people who aren't disc golfers complain.

I have noticed that there are disc golf courses being replaced, part of the land being re-allocated, or holes having to be moved or taken away for some other purpose...Why do you think this is happening? Why did Terrace Creek in WA have to give up holes for a dog park that, before the disc golf course, was an unusable area that the city wanted nothing to do with? These are not rhetorical questions, I am asking for answers...If there are any.

I was playing Morley Field long before it was pay to play. Nothing about that course has improved since then. It has always had a pro shop, always been clean and always had multiple pin placements.
Because it is located in Balboa Park, the largest municipal park in the city of San Diego, all of the maintenance is handled by the city.
The only other thing that has to be done on the course is move the baskets once a week
In fact, Morley Field is less playable now due to overcrowding and commercialization. Not to mention the fact that those in power there have always fought against other courses being built in San Diego so they can protect their monopoly.

Green fees have only served one purpose there - to pad Snapper Pierson's wallet.

I wonder how those poor saps in San Diego feel about their greens fees going to fight the growth of the sport...

[the flogging putter]

I wonder how those poor saps in San Diego feel about their greens fees going to fight the growth of the sport...[/QUOTE]

I think green fees are part of the growth of the sport. Not for every course, but for most well groomed, well equipped courses. Disc golf is always going to lose when we come up against any other leisure activity. Why do you think that is?

[Ol' Bob]

I'm dropping $18K (over one and a half times my annual income) for a new tractor today or tomorrow to keep free golf (don't forget the tip jar) at Club Mud. I guess that says where I stand on the subject. And yeah, I work for my golf. So it's a little bit rustic here.

Disc golf: long may is stay small and free!

Will we look back years from now at the good old days?

[Tim]

I have noticed that there are disc golf courses being replaced, part of the land being re-allocated, or holes having to be moved or taken away for some other purpose...Why do you think this is happening? Why did Terrace Creek in WA have to give up holes for a dog park that, before the disc golf course, was an unusable area that the city wanted nothing to do with? These are not rhetorical questions, I am asking for answers...If there are any.

Terrace is a good example. There was a period when not only were holes being taken out for the dog park, but people were pushing to cut it down to a 9 hole layout, or even taking it out completely. One of the chief arguments was that disc golf did nothing to make money for the city, while at the same time brought in litter and environmental damage. Fortunately the course was able to stay in the ground, but it was apparent that the city viewed disc golfers as second class citizens.

I was playing Morley Field long before it was pay to play. Nothing about that course has improved since then. It has always had a pro shop, always been clean and always had multiple pin placements.
Because it is located in Balboa Park, the largest municipal park in the city of San Diego, all of the maintenance is handled by the city.
The only other thing that has to be done on the course is move the baskets once a week
In fact, Morley Field is less playable now due to overcrowding and commercialization. Not to mention the fact that those in power there have always fought against other courses being built in San Diego so they can protect their monopoly.

Green fees have only served one purpose there - to pad Snapper Pierson's wallet.

I wonder how those poor saps in San Diego feel about their greens fees going to fight the growth of the sport...

I've only played Morley once, but my impression was largely the same--it was obvious that the place was popular and doing well, but it seemed like so much more could have been done to make it a better course. Morley is an exception though, it's the sole course in a huge metropolitan area, so it doesn't need to be any better. There are plenty of other examples of pay-to-play courses that have worked out great though.

It's a false dichotomy to assume that if pay-to-play becomes more popular that all courses will be pay-to-play. Pay-to-play would just be another option for people. Like with the examples of other sports earlier in the thread, if you went to your local park to play tennis but all the courts were filled, you'd have the option to pay a premium to play at a court that was open. It would be great to have that kind of option in disc golf. Don't fee like paying a fee? Fine, you can still play in an overcrowded multi-use park, with litter, gang tags, kids playing in the fairway, organic land mines, and groups of 12 with a rolling cooler and 1 (found) disc each. Me, I'd gladly pay a fee for play in a nice course exclusive to disc golf and "real" disc golfers

[Tim]

I'm dropping $18K (over one and a half times my annual income) for a new tractor today or tomorrow to keep free golf (don't forget the tip jar) at Club Mud. I guess that says where I stand on the subject. And yeah, I work for my golf. So it's a little bit rustic here.

Disc golf: long may is stay small and free!

Will we look back years from now at the good old days?

Bob, you know how much I love the Mud, and all the work you put into it. It's awesome that you keep it free and I salute you for that (and I'll continue to feed the tip jar). The Mud is fortunate though, in that it doesn't face the same kind of issues that urban, public courses do.

[Ol' Bob]

...it doesn't face the same kind of issues that urban, public courses do.

Yeah, or I might have to carry a gun. It's great that we are far enough out of the way that most of those who come here are the kind of people who come to golf. Most of the homeless who wind up out here are dumped kitty cats.

[Ol' Bob]

I guess I dream of a world where generosity wins out against selfishness. Wherever we stand, economically, this simple choice is what either enables, or eliminates, freedom. Telling those who could not pay that they must, or those who can pay, telling those who can't, "get out of my way," comes to the basic truth about what freedom really is. The ideology of compelling generosity has failed. Institutional selfishness is having its day now. We are seeing how that works in places like Libya and Syria, while it boils below the surface here. We must eventually be honest enough with ourselves to make the right choices as a culture. Can we find that enlightened self interest?

Anyway, something to think about.

[Matt B.]

It's a false dichotomy to assume that if pay-to-play becomes more popular that all courses will be pay-to-play. Pay-to-play would just be another option for people. Like with the examples of other sports earlier in the thread, if you went to your local park to play tennis but all the courts were filled, you'd have the option to pay a premium to play at a court that was open. It would be great to have that kind of option in disc golf. Don't fee like paying a fee? Fine, you can still play in an overcrowded multi-use park, with litter, gang tags, kids playing in the fairway, organic land mines, and groups of 12 with a rolling cooler and 1 (found) disc each. Me, I'd gladly pay a fee for play in a nice course exclusive to disc golf and "real" disc golfers

Ditto! And this same false dichotomy gets trotted out every single time this topic comes up. I would GLADLY AND HAPPILY pay a few hundred bucks a year or more to play a private, well-maintained, interesting and challenging course. It's rare these days that I get through a round at Dexter without getting pissed off at large groups of littering, discourteous, drunk dipshits hollering at their multiple off leash dogs. A nice afternoon in the Spring? Forget it! Every damn yahoo yokel chucker and their beer-in-hand while they throw friends in the area converges on the course. I pull in at 8:30 am on a Sunday now and the course is already half full, but at least it's other golfers trying to avoid the peak time dipshits.

Ok, so I'm grouchy. SO? There's only so much park space to go around, and in communities like Eugene there wasn't enough to begin with. Demand is far outstripping the supply of disc golf courses in many communities and the inevitable results are obvious - just set a Google News alert or add a section for "Disc Golf" and check it every day. Here's roughly what you will see on an almost daily basis: two or more stories about courses being installed or considered, two or more stories about courses with problems like erosion, overuse, or other issues causing removal or discussion of removal, one or two tournament or local disc golfer stories, and an occassional story about a PDGA pro with 78 pounds of pot and a leadfoot (j/k) ((not really)).

So why not encourage and hope for pay to play? It's obvious that the demand for more disc golf is there, and it's obvious that there will always be demand for free courses on public land. Those of us who want to and can afford to spend a little more to do this thing that we've made our number one activity and hobby can choose to support a pay to play course and relieve some of the burden on overcrowded public courses. To think that the advent of succesful pay-to-play courses will cause every public parks department to want to charge a fee is just silly. The economy sucks, public agencies (and golfers, I know) are broke, and nothing is free anymore.

[SMOKIN JOE]

I think this all started with someone complaining about disc golfers. This kind of thing will happen when you don't have a disc golf course. We do have some. And you pay a little to play most of them. Get the course out of the middle of the park. Keeping the fee to $5.00 or under should not be that big a problem. If I paid for gas it would cost me more than that just to get to one. Most of the problem I see at Wortman is with the people who rarely play and younger people who just don't seem to care. Same here as with some other courses. we took the bums and utter disgustingness out of the park. We get no physical help from the park but they do have our backs when people complain. They also donate materials. Thankfully our city likes disc golf. I could see them charging fee if they had to do all the work I do in the park. Countless hours all year long. Paying a little bit for a maintained disc golf only park or area of a park is fine by me.

[Jim J]

Sounds like maybe we've got it pretty good down here in Portland, with free tennis courts and soccer fields in every neighborhood. God bless property taxes. :D

Hopefully I'm not the only one who notices the contradiction in the above statement. According to this logic my police and fire protection are free too.

[Tim]

I guess I dream of a world where generosity wins out against selfishness. Wherever we stand, economically, this simple choice is what either enables, or eliminates, freedom. Telling those who could not pay that they must, or those who can pay, telling those who can't, "get out of my way," comes to the basic truth about what freedom really is. The ideology of compelling generosity has failed. Institutional selfishness is having its day now. We are seeing how that works in places like Libya and Syria, while it boils below the surface here. We must eventually be honest enough with ourselves to make the right choices as a culture. Can we find that enlightened self interest?

Anyway, something to think about.

That would indeed be a fine world to live in. Though on the flip side, isn't it selfish of disc golfers to expect for everything to be free? Especially when it comes to private property. If we're talking about utopias, I would love for there to be enough courses to meet the growing demand, free of charge for everyone. But, that's obviously not going to happen. So, not being able to build my own ideal of a course, I'm happy to contribute to those who can. BTW, the fees for pay-to-play courses I've seen have been to the tune of $2-5 a day/$25-60 a year--hardly prohibitive costs, even in the realm of penny pinching disc golfers.

[General Scales]

I think that pay to play is a good idea if it's executed correctly. There are a few courses in the area that I would pay a membership fee for the right to play whenever the hell I desired. For instance, if disc golfers were given more leeway at Corbin Park to where it was all on disc golfers to maintain and protect the park so Post Falls didn't dump any money into it, I'd pay for a 100 dollar yearly pass. I already have my Farragut State Park year pass so they won't get anymore money from me. If Gordy reads this, Four Mounds could benefit from this possibly. It'd have to be open Saturday and Sunday for this to be a reality.

There are definitely more courses that I'd NEVER pay to play than ones I'd pay for however.

[the flogging putter]

I guess I dream of a world where generosity wins out against selfishness. Wherever we stand, economically, this simple choice is what either enables, or eliminates, freedom. Telling those who could not pay that they must, or those who can pay, telling those who can't, "get out of my way," comes to the basic truth about what freedom really is. The ideology of compelling generosity has failed. Institutional selfishness is having its day now. We are seeing how that works in places like Libya and Syria, while it boils below the surface here. We must eventually be honest enough with ourselves to make the right choices as a culture. Can we find that enlightened self interest?
Q
Anyway, something to think about.

This would be a wonderful world to live in. Bob as I do agree with you on your well worded statement I do not think it pertains to what we are talking about. To even compare it to what's going on in the middle east is absurd. In a pay to play scenario they would be a great opportunity for those who cannot afford it to work on the course for the privilege of playing at said course. I already spend lots of my time and money working on my home course.

A

[mine all mine]

I'm dropping $18K (over one and a half times my annual income) for a new tractor today or tomorrow to keep free golf (don't forget the tip jar) at Club Mud. I guess that says where I stand on the subject. And yeah, I work for my golf. So it's a little bit rustic here.

Disc golf: long may is stay small and free!

Will we look back years from now at the good old days?

I really don't know how to respond to your generosity, it is a little mind numbing. I have often pondered owning a parcel of land that would house a disc golf course or two, but pay-to-play was always in my mind. I will say that it would mainly be because that would be my job and things don't fix themselves and bills don't disappear because you are an honest hard working person. I salute you for being so generous and I look forward to being able to play at Club Mud (and I will make sure the tip jar is fed:chug:)

[The Ombudsman]

Will we look back years from now at the good old days?

Nope. The good ol' days were the ones before baskets.

[Ol' Bob]

The good ol' days were the ones before baskets.

The discs were too understable.

[Jessenumber1]

Isn't every state park course essentially pay-to-play?

[Ol' Bob]

I really don't know how to respond...

Hey, I'm an odd bird for sure. I have a little pension and can live within my means (barring the unforeseen poolpaw). I have been given a lot by a few who have appreciated my dedication to the idea of service. I gave up on seeking the conversion of material and effort into the tokens of the empire. We lose the substance in the quest for the $ymbol. Quality is traded for quantification. I have known a couple of exceedingly generous people and was influenced by the experience. In all this, I find I could not share a living space, and the thought of living in a city would make me hide out in the wilderness, if it came to that. The Sioux had words for gold that meant, "the yellow metal that makes the white man crazy."

No response is necessary. I'm used to being dismissed as the madman I am. I feel like I somehow got off on the wrong planet.

[Ol' Bob]

BTW, that tip jar of ours gets treated pretty nicely by a lot of us. I'd call that freedom. You do what you want about it. We can act at that level to which we have risen or fallen. That part of the universe stays in its order. No judgment.

[Jim J]

I'm used to being dismissed as the madman I am. I feel like I somehow got off on the wrong planet.

Remember every great idea started out as heresy and keep the digressions flowing.

I like 'em.

[The Ombudsman]

The discs were too understable.

You should have tried adding more Hyzer

[Ol' Bob]

I was one of those quick draw, shoot from the hip, type shots. I came Laredo with them Whamos. Now I throw the least stable stuff out there, and I might even annie that.

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And thanks, Jim J.

[The Course Bro]

Pay to play does not have to be expensive or complicated- just well-planned.

I don't see any easier way than pay to park- it also encourages carpooling. Yes, this won't work for many courses in urban areas but NO SYSTEM WILL WORK FOR EVERY PARK. Each course needs to identify the resources needed to maintain the course and then see what options are available. North Park, my humble and humbling little home course is all player maintained. I've talked to the parks guys and they say they don't even go into the course because they don't want to mess anything up (seriously awesome) and for the most part, it is a clean and enjoyable course. This is not a good example for many other courses because North Park would literally fit into the first 3 holes of Seatac but there is no way to charge at North Park but the needs are met by locals. We need some new teepads desperately and I think I'll just pay for the first one myself and then organize a work party to put it in. Is that fair- that others will benefit from my time and money with no consideration? I don't care. Mike W. will come out early in the morning and spend two hours picking up random stuff under bushes and things thrown/blown from the road above. Why? Because he sees it needs to be done and so he does it. Does not care about compensation or appreciation, he does it for the course.

Pay to play is the future. Investing in a course- with time or money- creates a personal connection and reduces the tragedy of the commons.
Rather random but so am I.
Cheers,
Bro

[blang11]

I totally agree with this! i remember watching a Clash DVD that was at a course called Valarta Ast. i think it was in wisconsin, i remember them saying that it is a public park but has a fee to play the course of like $4 or something like that. they collect with a small box by the start of the course. they went on to say that the disc golf course raised somewhere around $40,000 dollars in one year from just the $4 dollar fee that was implemented. and in turn the $40,000 was FAR more than what was required to fund the entire park (not just the course) for the year.

i fully support pay to play courses.


Agreed! I have always been on board with this. Pay to play is the next logical step in our sport.