Original CE plastic questions?

[Mayumoogy]

Sorry if there are posts on Champion Edition Plastic, but like most forums the search function doesnt work as well as people hope...

Anyway, I was gifted a Champion Edition Leopard all the way back in 2001 I think it is a first run. It is Red and has a blue stamp... well what is left of it I loved that disc and played with it a lot. Of course I am kicking myself now because I see them going for lots of bucks on ebay.

Anyway I am interested in getting more info about the CE line so I can understand what I am getting as far as 1st runs, 2nd runs, etc.

So I found a swedish website that has some info on the subject, but I was hoping someone could shed some light on the subject.

So my basic questions are:

1. What colors go with what run. I think red is first, and yellow is second, but I really have no clue.

2. How is the plastic different from current champion plastic

3. Is there a website that has a price guide for these discs... that is written in english.

4. Why is it so hard to find info on old discs?

Thanks for your info, also if anyone would like to get rid of any CE plastic I might be interested... Rid of HA!

[Bullseye]

You might look in to CFR Champion Glow Leopards as a reasonably priced alternative to CE plastic. Champion Glow is stable, durable and much more readily available.

I know some people will argue against this point, but I'm think getting addicted to hard to find, expensive plastic is a recipe for disaster. Trust me... my own "issues" with 1st run Sidewinders & Gators has me speaking from experience.

PS: If Spider-Dan ever offers to show you his trunk, just say NO!

[pdxdiscer]

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30178&highlight=CE-JLS+Test+Run+2000

Sorry if there are posts on Champion Edition Plastic, but like most forums the search function doesnt work as well as people hope...

Anyway, I was gifted a Champion Edition Leopard all the way back in 2001 I think it is a first run. It is Red and has a blue stamp... well what is left of it I loved that disc and played with it a lot. Of course I am kicking myself now because I see them going for lots of bucks on ebay.

Anyway I am interested in getting more info about the CE line so I can understand what I am getting as far as 1st runs, 2nd runs, etc.

So I found a swedish website that has some info on the subject, but I was hoping someone could shed some light on the subject.

So my basic questions are:

1. What colors go with what run. I think red is first, and yellow is second, but I really have no clue.

2. How is the plastic different from current champion plastic

3. Is there a website that has a price guide for these discs... that is written in english.

4. Why is it so hard to find info on old discs?

Thanks for your info, also if anyone would like to get rid of any CE plastic I might be interested... Rid of HA!

[Mayumoogy]

Yeah getting addicted to this stuff can be bad, but I am really only interested in the Champion Edition's so that at least narrows my collection down to about 10-12 discs, if you don't count all the different Rocs. Too bad they are some of the more expensive discs, but I am not too worried about used or new so that brings the price down some.

From now on I think I am just going to buy 10+ of every first run disc I can find. The 150 investment would be paid back at least 3 or 4 times easy if I chose to sell them! I hear Innova has two new drivers coming out!

So again my main question has to do with the colors. I think that solid red discs were 1st runs, and solid yellows were second run, after that it gets fuzzy and I think that they even switched to normal champion plastic for the last couple runs. Any help is appreciated!

Maybe this Spider Dan Fella would know...sounds like he has the whole collection at his fingertips :D

[Mayumoogy]

ASK AND I SHALL RECEIVE! Thank you very much Pdxdiscer!

[Scott]

From now on I think I am just going to buy 10+ of every first run disc I can find. The 150 investment would be paid back at least 3 or 4 times easy if I chose to sell them! I hear Innova has two new drivers coming out!


The problem with this investment strategy is that there is a lot more supply out there now, and a lot more collectors hanging onto the new stuff. There might be some appreciation on newer first run stuff, but it won't be as big as what you see with first run leopards, teebirds, sidewinders, etc.

[Mayumoogy]

True I suppose you would just have to risk it and hope you get one of those runs that people just cant get enough of.

11x Firebirds come to mind, first run destroyers and bosses. To tell the truth I dont even know when those discs came out but, they are some of the newer discs anyway.

Still I am at least going to get 2 or 3 of whatever I really like to throw, because I dont want to find myself in another situation with my CE leopard. Love to throw it but, dont want to lose it. And would it kill Innova to have a little consistancy between plastics and model years!

I am stocking up on Echo Destroyers and David Feldberg 2008 bosses while I can.

I am actually just starting to branch out from max weight and champion plastic. I really love the star plastic, especially the Echo star, and I can definitely throw the lower weight destroyers, and bosses farther than max weight. I helps to have friends with those 30 disc bags, I get to test a lot of discs before I buy them.

Also not to switch gears here but...

What do people here think of Latitude 64, what disc from their line compares to the destroyer or boss?

[Mayumoogy]

Also is there any way to "fake" champion edition plastic? Like could someone slap a 2001 CE roc stamp on a newer disc, or would it be too hard to get the original stamp off etc. I already have a Leopard that is for sure legit so at least I have one to compare to. I just dont want to buy a lemon :/

[NWDiscer]

Also is there any way to "fake" champion edition plastic? Like could someone slap a 2001 CE roc stamp on a newer disc, or would it be too hard to get the original stamp off etc. I already have a Leopard that is for sure legit so at least I have one to compare to. I just dont want to buy a lemon :/


nope no bootleg CE stuff that i have ever heard of

[whalekillah]

True I suppose you would just have to risk it and hope you get one of those runs that people just cant get enough of.

11x Firebirds come to mind, first run destroyers and bosses. To tell the truth I dont even know when those discs came out but, they are some of the newer discs anyway.

Still I am at least going to get 2 or 3 of whatever I really like to throw, because I dont want to find myself in another situation with my CE leopard. Love to throw it but, dont want to lose it. And would it kill Innova to have a little consistancy between plastics and model years!

I am stocking up on Echo Destroyers and David Feldberg 2008 bosses while I can.

I am actually just starting to branch out from max weight and champion plastic. I really love the star plastic, especially the Echo star, and I can definitely throw the lower weight destroyers, and bosses farther than max weight. I helps to have friends with those 30 disc bags, I get to test a lot of discs before I buy them.

Also not to switch gears here but...

What do people here think of Latitude 64, what disc from their line compares to the destroyer or boss?

Discmania has a disc that has a Destroyer bottom and a Boss top. Its called the PD2 or something like that. As far as Lat64 try the Halo.

[Tek Zeus]

What do people here think of Latitude 64, what disc from their line compares to the destroyer or boss?

Latitude 64 is solid. The XXX is the over-stable mammoth. For Destroyer, a new Trident or Riot. The only peeps I have seen hate on latitude are the short throwers. If you thumb, the XXX is without a doubt the longest overhead disc....:shooting:

from the Latitude site:

XXX is our extra overstable control driver. XXX is sincerely a disc for the "big guns" and not for children. As already said it´s overstable, it´s a headwind driver, it´s a hurricane season driver, it´s a disc you will love to have when you need to bomb over something, it´s a disc you can rely on in any condition, it will do it´s job every day! XXX is made in our well received OPTO line plastic. Do you have the power to shine with an X-rated disc? If so, good for you!

Trident is an overstable control driver good for windy days and those safe hyzer shots. It´s not the fastest driver out there but with excellent control and a reliable flightpath this is a disc that will earn a slot in many bags.
With a good power drive it will turn at first but always hyzer back, reliable and controllable to sum it up.
Recommended for advanced players.

Overstable high speed driver for the professional player. Riot is a modern disc with lots of speed and control. Very suitable for low hard shots, for example under trees, but also as a main driver on open fields. The Riot is overtstable and will serve you well in all conditions. We rate the stability to +1.5.

[purediscgolf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFHAwZ9F_lk

Any questions? :)

[Parks]

For Destroyer, a new Trident or Riot.

The closest to a Destroyer will be the Riot or the Havoc, definitely not the Trident.

Closest to a Boss would probably be the Havoc or maybe the Halo.

[DiscnRN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFHAwZ9F_lk

Any questions? :)

Nice !

[Rakoz]

Red is definitely first run. Baby blues are second I think.

[NWDiscer]

Red is definitely first run. Baby blues are second I think.

just to clarify Red's were the 1st production run of "CE" discs, but their were other "CE" discs done 1st, the Gazelle and the Valk both came with big star stamps and were in a shade of blue, also dayglo yellows were the 2nd run.

others may correct me if im wrong :bowing:


:cheers:

[NWDiscer]

others may correct me if im wrong :bowing:


:cheers:


such as PureDiscGolf or SpiderDan or SweetPlastic :trophy:

[Mayumoogy]

I was also looking at 11x KC firebirds and noticed a huge difference in prices for the blueberry ones, is that a first run or something?

Thanks for answering all these questions BTW.

[NWDiscer]

I was also looking at 11x KC firebirds and noticed a huge difference in prices for the blueberry ones, is that a first run or something?

Thanks for answering all these questions BTW.


umm no idea why a blueberry 11x would command a higher price than a normal 11x as Kenny was the 10x Champion when CE was 1st introduced.

who knows maybe those are "night shift" 11x firebirds.......:whistler:


:cheers:

[purediscgolf]

The Blueberry discs are sought after because they are the best to throw and collect. Collectors may value the rarity of a disc (CE Valkyries etc) more because they are Blue. Most of the early runs of new molds are run in Blue and Red. They are the easiest colors to gauge when fine tuning a new model. Most the deep "Primary" colors (Reds/Blues mainly) have the highest density plastic. The plastic sets better than other colors which must be blended to make. Therefore primary colored discs also have a better feel and flight.....This is mostly from my throwing experience and what I've gathered talking to staff at the Innova Factory looking for stock.

[Rakoz]

So far all the first run Champion plastic I've seen has been Red and Star has been baby blue. both with the proto-star stamp.

[Mayumoogy]

So I get to hole 16 at Dexter and bring out my CE Eagle. Toss it and SMASH! right into the tree on the right. The disc exploded into 7 pieces. I know I throw hard but damn!

The disc looked just fine before the toss, no cracks, or brittle plastic. You can see the disc here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mayumoogy/5637189754/

I thought these things were supposed to be bulletproof! Could it be age made the plastic weaker or was it just a freak accident?

[NWDiscer]

So I get to hole 16 at Dexter and bring out my CE Eagle. Toss it and SMASH! right into the tree on the right. The disc exploded into 7 pieces. I know I throw hard but damn!

The disc looked just fine before the toss, no cracks, or brittle plastic. You can see the disc here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mayumoogy/5637189754/

I thought these things were supposed to be bulletproof! Could it be age made the plastic weaker or was it just a freak accident?

:shocked: i have seen dx discs xplode like that but never a CE???

[maynard]

I dont know man that was a freak thing. How cold was it?

[ericedge]

So I get to hole 16 at Dexter and bring out my CE Eagle. Toss it and SMASH! right into the tree on the right. The disc exploded into 7 pieces. I know I throw hard but damn!

What a sad and disturbing picture :(
So sorry for your loss!

[Toby Puttzinski]

My condolences as well...

I've heard something about discs that have been under water for a long time being more susceptible to breaking/cracking. Not sure if there's any truth to it... Any chance this disc was submerged for a long time?

[Mayumoogy]

It was one of the warmer days we have had so I don't think the temperature was a factor. I can also say that except for a little Oregon rain it did not spend a significant amount of time in water.

My only guess is that the plastic lost strength over the years, maybe some stress fractures developed that I didnt see. The disc seemed completely fine though, still had flex and didnt have any chunks out of the edge...

until now:waaah:

I took my other CE's out of my bag after the incident, I don't think I could survive another death in the family.

[Magilla]

From the picture, it looks to me like the standard..."got left in the car to long and suffered from heat cycling, ie hot....cold....humid.....dry....hot....cold....etc ."
This has led to the death of MANY CE discs.....have to say I have not witnessed one quite as catastrophic as yours.

:chinscratch:

[Mayumoogy]

That could be, until very recently I would leave my discs in the trunk of my car all the time. Now I bring them inside because of theft concerns but now temperature is also a concern it seems.

I never thought of the hot cold swings affecting discs, but it makes complete sense.

Oh well you live you learn. It died so my other CE's could live, I gave it a spot on the wall next to the others. Its too good for the trash!

[Scott]

I think you should tape it together and hang it on the wall with your other discs. It will look like hell, but it makes a great story.

[zombie41]

Collectors may value the rarity of a disc (CE Valkyries etc) more because they are Blue......" "Therefore primary colored discs also have a better feel and flight.....
Do collectors care what they feel like or fly like? When I get a CE disc, I use it, I don't collect it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFHAwZ9F_lk

[Mayumoogy]

Ok I might have found something awesome...or not, I need your help, I went to play it again and found a Millenium disc with a Pro Worlds stamp from 2001. My question to you...

Is this made of Champion Edition plastic? It is from 2001, looks to be thrown quite a bit and shows very little wear, and I know that some discs from Millenium were molded in CE plastic. It is a Yellow and has J with 170 written on the back. The back also has the exact writing that is on my other CE discs " INNOVA CHAMPION DISCS INC. RANCHO CUCAMONGA CAL. USA 91730 (patent number)" I have added pictures to help.

front
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mayumoogy/5735496416/

back
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mayumoogy/5735496548/

[Mayumoogy]

Ok, so I think I figured out what that other disc was, and alas it was not CE plastic. However I just picked up a First Run Spider. I have heard that these were molded in CE plastic. Is this true?

The reason I ask is it doesn't feel like my other CE discs, and the plastic is a pearly see thru color not opaque like the other CE plastic I am familiar with.

[Turtle]

True I suppose you would just have to risk it and hope you get one of those runs that people just cant get enough of.

11x Firebirds come to mind, first run destroyers and bosses. To tell the truth I dont even know when those discs came out but, they are some of the newer discs anyway.

Still I am at least going to get 2 or 3 of whatever I really like to throw, because I dont want to find myself in another situation with my CE leopard. Love to throw it but, dont want to lose it. And would it kill Innova to have a little consistancy between plastics and model years!

I am stocking up on Echo Destroyers and David Feldberg 2008 bosses while I can.

I am actually just starting to branch out from max weight and champion plastic. I really love the star plastic, especially the Echo star, and I can definitely throw the lower weight destroyers, and bosses farther than max weight. I helps to have friends with those 30 disc bags, I get to test a lot of discs before I buy them.

Also not to switch gears here but...

What do people here think of Latitude 64, what disc from their line compares to the destroyer or boss?

Just curious, what's so special about the 2008 DF Boss?

I was going through a box of discs I had, looking for one to try out a dye job, came across one (Boss DF 2008) and put a Demon Hunter logo on it (had a lot of compliments on my personal one I use (roadrunner)... thought I'd give Ebay a try with it....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200612880386

[Mayumoogy]

Honestly there is nothing special about the Dave Feldberg bosses. I have heard that they are flatter than other boss runs, but that could just be someones opinion. I just like the way they throw. And when they are gone they are gone. Innova's plastic changes so much that people like a certain run of it and then claim that no other run of the same disc is as good. It is all preference.



I dont think it would fetch more money on ebay...yet. Wait 10 years after they have the Dave Feldberg 2x or 3x Champion Boss and then pop up an original Dave Feldberg Boss and then it will probably get some money.

Time+discs=money, for the most part.

[Turtle]

Honestly there is nothing special about the Dave Feldberg bosses. I have heard that they are flatter than other boss runs, but that could just be someones opinion. I just like the way they throw. And when they are gone they are gone. Innova's plastic changes so much that people like a certain run of it and then claim that no other run of the same disc is as good. It is all preference.



I dont think it would fetch more money on ebay...yet. Wait 10 years after they have the Dave Feldberg 2x or 3x Champion Boss and then pop up an original Dave Feldberg Boss and then it will probably get some money.

Time+discs=money, for the most part.

I wasn't concerned too much about money, just wasn't sure if I was missing something :)