walking putt clarification please

[vapor]

Assuming my right foot is my plant foot and within 30cm inline with the basket and behind my marker, when does the putt have to be released? Before my left foot hits the ground (closer to the basket than my marker)? Before I cross my marker with my left foot? Before I cross my plant foot?

[runnaman]

before your foot touches the ground in front of your marker.

[Chuck Kennedy]

That's only true outside 10m, if that's your question?

[mazza]

the disc must be release before said marker...then u can cross ur marker disc with u left foot....same a jump putt the disc must be released before u cross said marker disc

[Jonesy]

not true. you may step over and past your marker as far as you like before release as long as your other foot is planted behind your marker and the disc is released before you touch down in front of the marker.

[vapor]

Yea I'm talking about outside the circle. Runnaman gave me the answer I was looking for.

I've been working on a walking putt similar to Feldbergs but some golfers have been calling BS on it. Just wanted to make sure I was right because I've heard people on the internets claim Feldberg had an illegal walking putt.

[JMan]

it is close, and the subject of long debate, and deadly...

[REDFIVE]

I don't know why it would be illegal if you can reach past your lie. If your hand can cross the line why not your foot. I have never heard a good argument for this putt being illegal. I am curious how this can be outside the rules. Anybody?

[Chuck Kennedy]

Any part of your body can be in front of your lie before release if it's not in contact with the playing surface or an obstacle. Perhaps the concern with the walking putt is that sometimes it might be difficult to see whether the player had actually released the throw before touching the ground in front of the lie.

[TreeLove]

Red, people are debating whether or not the disc is truly being released before the foot hits the ground, not whether the release point is ahead of the marker.

[General Scales]

Red, people are debating whether or not the disc is truly being released before the foot hits the ground, not whether the release point is ahead of the marker.

I have seen so many vidoe's of his walk-through putt. I've seen a couple where he clearly release's with his walk-through foot on the ground before hand. No where near as many times as he does it legally mind you. I've found that it's easier for me to fault if I am actually trying to do a jump with the putt. About 1 out of 5 is illegal.

[Stephen.Sines]

its not about when the foot hits the ground, but whether or not the original putting location is still in contact with the player when the disc is released.
the jump putt is all about the inertia that is built during the early stages of a "jumping" motion and how it applies to said putt. Nothing to do with a literal jump.
the same applies to the walk putt, just as long as no other points of contact are established beyond your placement, and your origin of contact (ie. foot behind marker) still is your "origin". all of these must be true through the release of the disc.
did I miss anything?

[Stephen.Sines]

the walk putt is the shit.
nuff said.

[all2common]

Provided it makes you more accurate, I agree. If you're doing it because Feldburg does it, well I'll allow you to infer whatever you'd like.

[Uhlman]

Provided it makes you more accurate, I agree. If you're doing it because Feldburg does it, well I'll allow you to infer whatever you'd like.
I use a “walk-though” style putt for shots between 40’ to 80’ (but I am lower intermeidate player). In disc golf, practice makes good enough. If you practice enough, you will become accurate enough with whatever “jump,” “walk-though,” or “funky chicken” putt you choose to use as long as it’s considered legal according to PDGA rules. That is why we have practice rounds to try new theories of disc flight. As a rule, I don’t use a new disc (even if it is a mold that is already in my bag) or new technique in competition unless I feel comfortable with it during practice, which can take a month or more of practice before it is ready for competition.

[Stephen.Sines]

I've been experimenting with the squat thrust lately. Most of the ladies are enjoying it as well as jonesy... :)

Btw... feldberg who?

[all2common]

I've been experimenting with the squat thrust lately. Most of the ladies are enjoying it as well as jonesy... :)

Btw... feldberg who?

Thanks, Sines. *cleaning tea off the keyboard*

[Stephen.Sines]

Haha anytime brother. :)

Btw again.:
100th post
*patting my own back*

[Scott]

Haha anytime brother. :)

100th post

newb

[Flash]

The player does not even have to contact the ground in front of their disc for the throw to be called illegal all that is needed is a second. If a player feels the throw is illegal and another player agrees by seconding the call then the throw is illegal. My suggestion, imake it look legal so there is no question by the group.

Much like only the player can call something un-playable. Only the group or an official can call a throw illegal.

[hyzerbomb]

I prefer the prone thrust but it must be repeated so often that the 30 minute rule would surely be called by some lame dude.:shocked:

[CMC206]

Or 30 Foot..:cheers:

[CMC206]

It looks good on DVD. I want to go see him at the CSI because I have never spectated a pro tourney. If its outside 30 feet who really cares? Something I would like to try in practice.

[D.L.]

Walter Sobchak: "I'm sorry, Smokey. You were over the line, that's a foul."

This is not 'Nam.

[purediscgolf]

Mark it Zero Dude......

There ARE rules.....

LMAO

[jshrack]

Dude- "...he's got emotional problems, man."

Walter- "You mean... beyond pacifism?"

[Chad_Carter]

its not about when the foot hits the ground, but whether or not the original putting location is still in contact with the player when the disc is released.
the jump putt is all about the inertia that is built during the early stages of a "jumping" motion and how it applies to said putt. Nothing to do with a literal jump.
the same applies to the walk putt, just as long as no other points of contact are established beyond your placement, and your origin of contact (ie. foot behind marker) still is your "origin". all of these must be true through the release of the disc.
did I miss anything?

we need instant replay....did the ball break the plane??

[Stephen.Sines]

we need instant replay....did the ball break the plane??

good question. just like why are we talking about this. I have lost interest.
Lets go talk somewhere else Sir Chad

[mowens404]

it is close, and the subject of long debate, and deadly...

I did this style of putt and still do but only for outside of about 50 feet. A lot of people don't clearly know the rules on this and beleive it is a fault when it isn't. I stopped doing this putt from within 50 because i would get called on it so much. nobody can watch your hand and foot at the same time. I suggest you get it on video and see if it is. If it is that change it up a little bit, if it isn't than you have nothing to worry about.:cool2:

[Toby Puttzinski]

I suggest you get it on video and see if it is. If it is that change it up a little bit, if it isn't than you have nothing to worry about.:cool2:

That's a good suggestion. I was thinking about that the other day after asking a few of my buddies if they ever notice me losing my point of contact while jump-putting. I've golfed with both of these guys on hundreds of occasions, and each said they felt my putt was legal. I have never been called on a foot-fault after jump-putting, but have been told that it was 'close' a few times(out of thousands of attempts). It is important to me to play within the rules, so I agree that it'd be a good idea to see it on video to be sure.

[General Scales]

I can't wait till the PDGA does one of two things.

1.) Eliminates the ability to step/jump putt. Really, just develop a strong spin putt for those type of situations.
2.) Eliminates the 10m circle so the argument if you were in or out, can i putt jump, etc will cease to be an issue.

I do putt jump, I do not do it if I have other options. It's a weapon and a curse at the same time.

[DMajor]

2.) Eliminates the 10m circle so the argument if you were in or out, can i putt jump, etc will cease to be an issue.



Would you also eliminate all follow throughs for any shot not off the tee pad?

[Sean Phillips]

1.) Eliminates the ability to step/jump putt. Really, just develop a strong spin putt for those type of situations.

That would mean you couldn't follow through on drives either. Where would you draw the line?

[General Scales]

I would say there would be a huge difference between a putt and a drive. A follow through on a drive is necessary to eliminate injury. A person trying to argue they were following through for a drive from 45 feet would probably lose that argument.

[Sean Phillips]

I would say there would be a huge difference between a putt and a drive. A follow through on a drive is necessary to eliminate injury. A person trying to argue they were following through for a drive from 45 feet would probably lose that argument.

What about 60 ft? Can you see where this is going?

[Yardbird]

How about keeping the current 10 meter rule (possible increase to 15 meters) and change the wording in regards to the release of a disc.

For example, "The disc must be released prior to contacting any playing surface in front the player's lie."

Does it really matter if the disc was released two feet closer to the basket from a lie 45 feet away?

[General Scales]

How about keeping the current 10 meter rule (possible increase to 15 meters) and change the wording in regards to the release of a disc.

For example, "The disc must be released prior to contacting any playing surface in front the player's lie."

Does it really matter if the disc was released two feet closer to the basket from a lie 45 feet away?

I think that the wording would definitely cause more of an issue. For example, would tall grass be considered a playing surface? Because there are tons of courses that would have that issue. Or doing it out of a bush? Even though you are not moving anything in front of your lie, you are touching things to the sides of your lie.

The only way I see to eliminate it is to eliminate the ability to jump/step putt entirely. Perhaps put posts up at 20 meters and say that's the follow through limit. Anything inside that should be a stand and deliver for either approach or putt.

And yes, two feet on a 45 foot putt can make a huge difference. It can be the difference between an obstacle in your way and a clear shot.

[Yardbird]

Yeah, the wording could be better. I made the post fairly quick. Grass and brush would have to be considered. It would have to be further defined by no supporting contact in front of the lie prior to release or something like that.

In regards to the two feet issue, I disagree that it is hugh advantage. As long as a player doesn't run up, jump, and throw, meaning only starting the throwing motion from the lie. The release timing would be the equalizer in making it fair. Have you ever tried to accurately make a putt in mid air while jumping? It is very hard. Of course, enough practice could improve the technique. Yes, the two feet could have advantage in getting around obstacles by giving a player a chance at making a shot that would otherwise not be there. Players with longer arms and a better skill base also have an advantage.

Also, 20 meters would be too far out to have to show balance after a throw. 15 meters would be more fair if the rules were to be modified to allow jump putting (releasing the disc past your lie with no run-up).

[Bluedisc]

:chinscratch: Maybe that's what our sport needs. Just turn putting into a more layup/slam dunk drill. He who can jump the furthest from their lie will dominate....
:slapface:

[DMajor]

:chinscratch: Maybe that's what our sport needs. Just turn putting into a more layup/slam dunk drill. He who can jump the furthest from their lie will dominate....
:slapface:

As an official representative of the coalition of the tallest one percent of disc golfers, we are unaminously in favor of this proposed rule change.

We feel this rule change will help even out the advantage that our vertically challenged disc brethren have over us on all low ceilinged tees fairways and greens.

Thank you for your sympathy towards our condition and please don't hesitate to ask for help if you happen to find your disc stuck in a tree.

[Wes Hansen]

:chinscratch: Maybe that's what our sport needs. Just turn putting into a more layup/slam dunk drill. He who can jump the furthest from their lie will dominate....
:slapface:

:trophy:

Playing with some people has made me consider getting a phone with video. Instant replay on the fly. I see a slew of folks having to change to a legal putt!

[Yardbird]

Keep it simple.

1) Show balance after the release inside 10 meters. (current rules)

2) 10 to 20 meters, a player shall not have a supporting point in front of the lie until the disc is released. NO RUN-UPs.

3) Outside of 20 meters, current rules apply.


Of course, some slam dunk action could be exciting. I would love to some of them bounce out.

[Scott]

1) Show balance after the release inside 10 meters. (current rules)


I find that this is really open to intpretation. I tend to let my leg fly behind me when I put and will hold that pose for a couple of seconds before walking forward. I believe that demonstates balance. Others claim that you can only show balance by having both feet firmly on the ground (I disagree).

A lot of people don't understand this rule at all. I've been called for a falling putt because I advanced to the basket before the disc was at rest in the basket.

[General Scales]

I follow the pick up the mini routine to display balance. I do the ballerina pose, lean down while my back foot is still in the air, pick up my mini, stand back up and then progress forward. If that doesn't display balance, I don't know what would.