Innova's Wahoo and Vulcan

[maynard]

Being the plastic addict that iam, I just received my Pre-Release Prototype Vulcans and Proto Wahoo's. Has any one thrown any of these yet? Any reports?

[mrDROCK]

Where did you hear about them?

[Adam Schneider]

The Wahoo is already available for general sale: http://www.discgolfcenter.com/main_displayProduct.php?p=577

[snap7times]

less chit chat and more reports please ;)

[Adam Schneider]

http://www.discgolfreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20364

[Uhlman]

My thoughts on the Wahoo
Conditions:
48 degrees
Mostly sunny
No precipitation
Wind: West at 21mph with Gusts 30mph
Humidity: 47%

Observations:
Throw 1: Downwind RHBH
Distance: 25’
I underestimated the stickiness of this disc the throw went straight into a cement curb bounced and skidded on asphalt for about 5 feet. Disc now has dings in flight plate and on edge where it hit the curb. :slapface:

Throw 2: Upwind RHBH
Distance: 150’
Better but Once again the stickiness of this disc caused unwanted griplock which resulted in a less then favorable result.:yawn:

Throw 3: Crosswind from right RHBH
Distance: 200’
Better distance by this time probably because by this time the disc had a light coat of dust. :)

Throw 4: Crosswind from right RHBH
Distance: 275’ with a 25' roll for 300'
Once I solved the sticky disc issue, this disc really flew.

Other observations:
The disc plastic is very soft be careful around trees and other hard surfaces (it’s R-Pro so chance are you already knew that). :slapface:
You can tame the stickiness of this disc with a liberal coat of dust or chalk on either your hand or the disc.
I don’t know whether it was the weather conditions, the disc, the way I threw it, or a combination of those factors but this disc like to roll.
I can’t wait for this disc to come out in more durable plastic. :drool:

[Mikk]

Rumor has it that its uber flippy thrown RHBH. I was told its like an anti-destroyer or anti-maxx in flight thrown RHBH. If so I'd like to try 1 for nice controllable anti-hyzers..mabe?

[olydiscgolf]

This thing is flippy!

I knew it was going to be flippy, so I released with an extreme hyzer. It still flipped to roller 75' out of my hand.

The only use for this disc is for new players w/out snap.

[maynard]

The grip of the wahoo is something like silly putty, I imagine in torential downpours your still not gonna lose grip. The Vulcan has a very sharp leading edge and really flat top. The flight #'s indicate that both have a high degree of turn and a forward fade. I will field test the champion Vulcan today. Oh and by the way the Vulcan is a prerelease Innova disc raising money for the Asia Open next year. Im pretty sure only around 330+ champion vulcans were produced with weight ranges from the 150's to 175.

[LegoRules]

The grip of the wahoo is something like silly putty, I imagine in torential downpours your still not gonna lose grip. The Vulcan has a very sharp leading edge and really flat top. The flight #'s indicate that both have a high degree of turn and a forward fade. I will field test the champion Vulcan today. Oh and by the way the Vulcan is a prerelease Innova disc raising money for the Asia Open next year. Im pretty sure only around 330+ champion vulcans were produced with weight ranges from the 150's to 175.

Yay ordered two 156-159.9 champ Vucans today from Hereo discs. Can't wait to give them a whirl.

Cindy :)

[Jonesy]

thought to be pdga approved you had to produce 500 or something?

[Jonesy]

pdga technical standards pdf - "(14) be of a production-type disc available commercially to the public in numbers of at least 500"

[maynard]

pdga approved or not this disc(vulcan)screams! Maybe the "pre-release prototype" explains it?

[maynard]

Interesting~so does this mean a whole bunch of unique discs that we have been playing with for years are not pdga approved? Certain mixes of plastics, variations of molds, prototypes? All disc manufactures experiment i would imagine, and their team members test them in competitions? This could be a whole new box of worms if you really "pressed" the topic. Could this mean stripping people of their titles, invalidating scores/wins? Is this the next disc golf conspiracy theory or is this just nothing of any signifigance? Well, i can only where this might go~
Oh and by the way-Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, whatever your into I hope it treats you well and that you enjoy it~Maynard...

[Jonesy]

I believe it only applies to molds not plastics?

[TYVEK]

ok, i will be the first to say it,

the Wahoo is the STUPIDEST disc name i have ever heard of!!!!! i mean come on. who in the world thought that it was a good idea to name a disc "the wahoo"?

Innova i know you can do better than that, come on now.

oh and to sort of be on topic, i have never thrown either of these discs and probable never will.

[Discdogs]

The Wahoo is already available for general sale: http://www.discgolfcenter.com/main_displayProduct.php?p=577
Or....support ur local retailer...i have ten first run wahoos left im near pierpark.....503 960 2978....sausage guy:rockon:...peace

[The Course Bro]

How did Innova name their disc the "Vulcan". I would think that Mr. Roddenberry's heirs might be interested in the use of his intellectual property without compensation. If there was compensation- well, I guess Innova is making more money than I thought.

Then you add in the XB collectors only disc and it looks like a decent marketing campaign.

[maynard]

If you have ever fished in the oceans of the tropics/sub-tropics and hooked onto a "Ono" and seen the thing skipping across the water at bullet speed than you would understand the reasoning of the name "Wahoo". But, I do agree if the name(Wahoo)stood by itself with no reference or context than yes it would be a stupid name.

[Adam Schneider]

How did Innova name their disc the "Vulcan". I would think that Mr. Roddenberry's heirs might be interested in the use of his intellectual property without compensation. If there was compensation- well, I guess Innova is making more money than I thought.
Dear lord, did you really think that Star Trek invented the word "Vulcan"??

[LegoRules]

Oh boy look what the mail lady just brought. Two new shinny Asia Open Innova champion Vulcans 159 & 160 :drool: I might just have to find time to get a round in tomorrow morning to try these out. :rockon:

769

[Kris C]

Innova would have to compensate the heirs of the ancient Romans. Vulcan was the god of fire and metalworking.

[Kris C]

Hey Cindy, if those don't work out for ya, maybe keep me in mind for a trade!:whistler:

[mine all mine]

I actually think Wahoo is the perfect name for the disc; a super fast disc that stays near the surface of the water (floats). Not all that hard to see the similarities between the disc and the fish

[ChainBanger]

Dear lord, did you really think that Star Trek invented the word "Vulcan"??

LOL, I did. I guess I will google it now.

[ryanajanes]

what are the flight numbers on the vulcans? and has anyone thrown them yet?

[LegoRules]

what are the flight numbers on the vulcans? and has anyone thrown them yet?



Speed 13; glide of 5; turn of (-4) and fade of 2

I got to try mine out today at Pier. Seemed really similar to my r-pro kantana, but a little more stable. So far I am pretty pleased with it.

Cindy :)

[ryanajanes]

does anyone know if they are selling vulcans anywhere in portland?

[Discdogs]

does anyone know if they are selling vulcans anywhere in portland?

as far as i know regular production starts in january....yes ill have first runs call or pm and ill hook u up i live by pier park:cheers:

[Scott]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(mythology)

[Stimpi]

Side note. When I first bought Skeeters for an event from Innova, they came marked on the back HOB.
I wonder if they were giving the name, "Hobbit", a try and got shot down by the Tolkien folks?
Hobbit would be more specific to Tolkien than Vulcan would be to Roddenberry.

[jshrack]

Side note. When I first bought Skeeters for an event from Innova, they came marked on the back HOB.
I wonder if they were giving the name, "Hobbit", a try and got shot down by the Tolkien folks?
Hobbit would be more specific to Tolkien than Vulcan would be to Roddenberry.

That's awesome.
Could also have been Hobgoblin?
They got away from that naming line though...
No, not a stan lee trademark problem. :-)

[SPIDER-DAN]

Threw my champion vulcan for the first time today and even though it feels like a beefy katana it is not. I got a 158 thinking that the lighter weight would be great brand new, but when i threw it with some good hyzer at about a 45 degree angle it flipped over and continued to that flight all 300 feet. It may be a great roller and there are plenty of shots i need that vulcan for, but it was not what i expected as far as how understable it was. I guess i need to get a 175g and even a glow one as well so i can test those.

[JMan]

Side note. When I first bought Skeeters for an event from Innova, they came marked on the back HOB.
I wonder if they were giving the name, "Hobbit", a try and got shot down by the Tolkien folks?
Hobbit would be more specific to Tolkien than Vulcan would be to Roddenberry.

Those Tolkien folks would be only one guy...Saul Zance. He bought the rights from the Tolkien family for merchandise and, oh yea films. He's also the guy who sued John Fogerty for plagiarizing CCR...hobgoblin would have worked though.

[*freeskier]

Threw my champion vulcan for the first time today and even though it feels like a beefy katana it is not. I got a 158 thinking that the lighter weight would be great brand new, but when i threw it with some good hyzer at about a 45 degree angle it flipped over and continued to that flight all 300 feet. It may be a great roller and there are plenty of shots i need that vulcan for, but it was not what i expected as far as how understable it was. I guess i need to get a 175g and even a glow one as well so i can test those.

Even the max weight glow champ vulcans are super flippy. Basically flies like a really fast sidewinder or something. Made for mortals, big arms need not apply.

[Stimpi]

That's awesome.
Could also have been Hobgoblin?
They got away from that naming line though...
No, not a stan lee trademark problem. :-)

they already have a Goblin.

[Parks]

Side note. When I first bought Skeeters for an event from Innova, they came marked on the back HOB.
I wonder if they were giving the name, "Hobbit", a try and got shot down by the Tolkien folks?

The Skeeter was indeed going to be named the Hobbit. Notice that the stamp on the Goblin looks very Gollum-esque.

I'm not sure if Innova asked to use it and got shot down or just decided that it wasn't worth the hassle to even try.

[Ol' Bob]

A 158 Champion Vulcan fell into my mailbox, smelling a bit like reindeer today. I'll wait until warm weather to say how I like it. I know it looks fast.

[SPIDER-DAN]

It will be a little more flippy than you think. I dont have a big arm like some of the other pros, but the brand new 158 i had flipped over quite a bit and stayed there. It does have a place in the bag so it stays for the moment.

[Rakoz]

In my experience the Vulcan is pretty much a Katana clone. It will go straighter but still just flippy flippy flippy for me. Going to try to salvage it by rolling or over-handing.